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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: viktor] * 1
    #23756089 - 10/20/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Or paying for their own military defense, thanks to US taxpayers they are getting a massive discount.  BTW, Trump mentioned this needs to change.  This is the reason why EU citizens can take vacations.




What absolute crap. Americans get small vacations because they have been completely and utterly cucked by their ruling class, for whom they will do absolutely anything.

Europeans have long holidays because they refuse to accept shitty working conditions. Unlike Americans, who will happily get fucked up the arse by their bosses as long as no-one calls them a socialist.




One of my friends that went to america says you guys get 2 weeks holiday per year. Is that true? Because if it is that's pretty fucked.

I live in Australia and I get 5. My girlfriend is a nurse so she gets 6.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: qman] * 3
    #23756168 - 10/20/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Or paying for their own military defense, thanks to US taxpayers they are getting a massive discount.  BTW, Trump mentioned this needs to change.  This is the reason why EU citizens can take vacations.




What absolute crap. Americans get small vacations because they have been completely and utterly cucked by their ruling class, for whom they will do absolutely anything.

Europeans have long holidays because they refuse to accept shitty working conditions. Unlike Americans, who will happily get fucked up the arse by their bosses as long as no-one calls them a socialist.




You think not being taxed hundreds of billion of Euros every year for military defense doesn't serve as a massive social service advantage?  Guess what, if those companies and individuals pay 25% more in taxes for funding their own defense, those long paid vacations are toast.




Europeans don't need to spend money on defence - they have nuclear weapons.

America only spends as much as it does on defence because its a worldwide empire that wants to project power everywhere at any time.

90% of USA defence spending is entirely unnecessary and mostly a matter of corrupt government shovelling money into the pockets of defence contractors.

The idea that Europe is letting the team down by not pissing away similar amounts of money is ludicrous and can only come from media brainwashing.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: blingbling] * 1
    #23756174 - 10/20/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Or paying for their own military defense, thanks to US taxpayers they are getting a massive discount.  BTW, Trump mentioned this needs to change.  This is the reason why EU citizens can take vacations.




What absolute crap. Americans get small vacations because they have been completely and utterly cucked by their ruling class, for whom they will do absolutely anything.

Europeans have long holidays because they refuse to accept shitty working conditions. Unlike Americans, who will happily get fucked up the arse by their bosses as long as no-one calls them a socialist.




One of my friends that went to america says you guys get 2 weeks holiday per year. Is that true? Because if it is that's pretty fucked.

I live in Australia and I get 5. My girlfriend is a nurse so she gets 6.




I'm a Kiwi so for me it's 4 or 5 I think. Yeah America is two, I can't believe that they put up with that. Not enough time to properly live because the capital classes have their bitches out working all day.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: blingbling]
    #23756238 - 10/20/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Or paying for their own military defense, thanks to US taxpayers they are getting a massive discount.  BTW, Trump mentioned this needs to change.  This is the reason why EU citizens can take vacations.




What absolute crap. Americans get small vacations because they have been completely and utterly cucked by their ruling class, for whom they will do absolutely anything.

Europeans have long holidays because they refuse to accept shitty working conditions. Unlike Americans, who will happily get fucked up the arse by their bosses as long as no-one calls them a socialist.




One of my friends that went to america says you guys get 2 weeks holiday per year. Is that true? Because if it is that's pretty fucked.

I live in Australia and I get 5. My girlfriend is a nurse so she gets 6.





2 weeks if you have a decent job.  It helps to be in a union.  At the shitty job i'm working while I go back to school, I get 24 hours paid sick leave per year.  That's it. There are many Americans with no paid time off from work and no medical or dental insurance.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: viktor]
    #23756250 - 10/20/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, we need to make sure that kind of thinking doesn't infect australasia otherwise we're fucked too.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23756254 - 10/20/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Man you guys get screwed. Too bad that people just think "well, that's the way things are" and don't try to change it.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: blingbling]
    #23756272 - 10/20/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, most people are just treading water and hoping that they don't drown.  Not much time for changing things when you are busy trying to find a way to not get evicted from your house, put gas in your truck, and hopefully, eat.  Unless by trying to change things, you meant voting.  In that case, people i know vote all the time.  Never seems to change anything though.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23756287 - 10/20/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That's probably why your electoral system is going haywire.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: blingbling]
    #23756296 - 10/20/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, we need to make sure that kind of thinking doesn't infect australasia otherwise we're fucked too.




I don't think it will. There is no other Western country that has two weeks of holiday, I don't know of any that have less than four. When I lived in Sweden it was six, that was really nice because it gave you the time to do a decent bit of travelling on the continent.

Countries don't seem to go backwards on number of holiday weeks, only forwards.

Americans probably wouldn't go travelling even with more holidays because they don't get paid enough in the first place.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: blingbling]
    #23756299 - 10/20/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: blingbling]
    #23756441 - 10/20/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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blingbling said:
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qman said:

Or paying for their own military defense, thanks to US taxpayers they are getting a massive discount.  BTW, Trump mentioned this needs to change.  This is the reason why EU citizens can take vacations.




What absolute crap. Americans get small vacations because they have been completely and utterly cucked by their ruling class, for whom they will do absolutely anything.

Europeans have long holidays because they refuse to accept shitty working conditions. Unlike Americans, who will happily get fucked up the arse by their bosses as long as no-one calls them a socialist.




One of my friends that went to america says you guys get 2 weeks holiday per year. Is that true? Because if it is that's pretty fucked.

I live in Australia and I get 5. My girlfriend is a nurse so she gets 6.




sadly we try to be americans here in canada, for god knows what reason, two-3 weeks holiday for office type jobs. If you work for the government of course you get oodles of time off, or schools


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: viktor]
    #23757324 - 10/21/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Or paying for their own military defense, thanks to US taxpayers they are getting a massive discount.  BTW, Trump mentioned this needs to change.  This is the reason why EU citizens can take vacations.




What absolute crap. Americans get small vacations because they have been completely and utterly cucked by their ruling class, for whom they will do absolutely anything.

Europeans have long holidays because they refuse to accept shitty working conditions. Unlike Americans, who will happily get fucked up the arse by their bosses as long as no-one calls them a socialist.




You think not being taxed hundreds of billion of Euros every year for military defense doesn't serve as a massive social service advantage?  Guess what, if those companies and individuals pay 25% more in taxes for funding their own defense, those long paid vacations are toast.




Europeans don't need to spend money on defence - they have nuclear weapons.

America only spends as much as it does on defence because its a worldwide empire that wants to project power everywhere at any time.

90% of USA defence spending is entirely unnecessary and mostly a matter of corrupt government shovelling money into the pockets of defence contractors.

The idea that Europe is letting the team down by not pissing away similar amounts of money is ludicrous and can only come from media brainwashing.





"they have nuclear weapons"

Then why do they seek the protection of the US?  Nuclear weapons don't work in conventional warfare.

I not saying the US doesn't piss away money on "defense", but in the real world military power makes the rules.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: qman] * 1
    #23757591 - 10/21/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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"they have nuclear weapons"

Then why do they seek the protection of the US?  Nuclear weapons don't work in conventional warfare.

I not saying the US doesn't piss away money on "defense", but in the real world military power makes the rules.




it's not so much that they seek protection by the US. it's that they're happy to let the US play Globocop since they get their cake and eat it, too.  they get to spend less on defense and get to show righteous indignation so their constituents stay satiated.

the broader point has been argued repeatedly by retired conservative military personnel.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: CrackingTheCode] * 1
    #23772175 - 10/26/16 02:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate to be the one to inform you but the both the US and Europe are on the verge of going into the next recession and I think it's going to be a big one.



What makes you think that?  :shrug:



Just look at the economy in the US and Europe.

The well paying middle class jobs are gone and have been replaced with service industry work. But in leftist America, "a job is a job" so the job you get at McDonalds is on the same standing as the engineering job.



The American left does not believe a McDonalds job is on the same standing as an engineering job.

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Every month, we're at the lowest labor participation rate of the last 40+ years. (fewest % of working age Americans actually working)



So more people are going to college - big deal.  What's important is unemployment, and that's back to normal (including U6 unemployment).

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Look at our stock market "appreciation" in relation to the Federal reserve balance sheet. The central banks (Fed and ECB in particular) have been propping up the stock and bond market, simultaneously, for years now.

What a lot of people don't seem to grasp this time around is the years of central bank "intervention" is there's going to be a price to pay. America, this is how you loose your country and thus your freedom.



Why?  Because you say so???  :shrug:

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What this chart shows is the "wealth" in the US in relation to GDP growth. It illustrates the current and preceding two bubbles, which always appear in the "growth" of assets". All you need to do is ask how can your wealth vastly out-pace your production? (answer: it can't, unless you're cooking the books)





That's an interesting chart, but to answer your question of how wealth is growing faster than GDP, one reason could be Quantitative Easing.  The Fed created trillions of dollars and threw it into the economy, so household wealth should go up faster than GDP.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: viktor] * 1
    #23772178 - 10/26/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:

Or paying for their own military defense, thanks to US taxpayers they are getting a massive discount.  BTW, Trump mentioned this needs to change.  This is the reason why EU citizens can take vacations.




What absolute crap. Americans get small vacations because they have been completely and utterly cucked by their ruling class, for whom they will do absolutely anything.

Europeans have long holidays because they refuse to accept shitty working conditions. Unlike Americans, who will happily get fucked up the arse by their bosses as long as no-one calls them a socialist.



Well said!  You got five 'up-votes' on that comment.  :thumbup:


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23772188 - 10/26/16 02:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I work 35 hours a week and get 31 days of vacation a year. murrica is truly fucked


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: qman] * 1
    #23772235 - 10/26/16 03:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What insolvent nations are you talking about?



Playing dumb again? http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/6923259/2-22072015-AP-EN.pdf/bf173a0e-0eba-4ab9-878c-6db8d1f6452b ; http://www.tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/government-debt-to-gdp



I missed the part about European nations going insolvent.  Can you quote it for me?

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Do you support a higher effective tax rate on the super rich?



Sure, but will it bring in more tax revenue?  History tells us it won't matter, I prefer pro-growth policies.



WRONG!!!  History shows tax revenue went WAY up in the early 1940s when the marginal tax rate went way up:



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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23772551 - 10/26/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What insolvent nations are you talking about?



Playing dumb again? http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/6923259/2-22072015-AP-EN.pdf/bf173a0e-0eba-4ab9-878c-6db8d1f6452b ; http://www.tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/government-debt-to-gdp



I missed the part about European nations going insolvent.  Can you quote it for me?

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Do you support a higher effective tax rate on the super rich?



Sure, but will it bring in more tax revenue?  History tells us it won't matter, I prefer pro-growth policies.



WRONG!!!  History shows tax revenue went WAY up in the early 1940s when the marginal tax rate went way up:






Great chart, they started FINALLY to collect taxes, what's your point?  It remained consistent relative to GDP REGARDLESS of the tax rate.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: qman] * 1
    #23772814 - 10/26/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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WRONG!!!  History shows tax revenue went WAY up in the early 1940s when the marginal tax rate went way up:






Great chart, they started FINALLY to collect taxes, what's your point?  It remained consistent relative to GDP REGARDLESS of the tax rate.



WRONG again!!!  They started collecting income taxes in 1913.  When they raised the rates, they got way more revenue.  Over time, they cut the rates on the rich, shifting the tax burden to the middle class.

It's time to shift the tax burden back onto the rich once again and off the backs of the middle class.


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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23772878 - 10/26/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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WRONG!!!  History shows tax revenue went WAY up in the early 1940s when the marginal tax rate went way up:






Great chart, they started FINALLY to collect taxes, what's your point?  It remained consistent relative to GDP REGARDLESS of the tax rate.



WRONG again!!!  They started collecting income taxes in 1913.  When they raised the rates, they got way more revenue.  Over time, they cut the rates on the rich, shifting the tax burden to the middle class.

It's time to shift the tax burden back onto the rich once again and off the backs of the middle class.




"They started collecting income taxes in 1913"

That's true, but "during World War ll Congress introduced payroll withholding". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United_States

"time to shift the tax burden back to the rich once again"

That's not going to happen and even if it was attempted it's not likely to work, the elites aren't going to burden themselves with the debt issue, it will be placed on the working class.  My suggestion to people, stop whining about what SHOULD happen and prepare oneself for what is LIKELY going to happen.


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