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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750095 - 10/18/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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really isn't surprising that after Trump proposes something that everyone wants you find a way to argue against it. It's almost like you have a reason for upholding the current, broken, pay for play system we have now. Hmmmm




I've always been against term limits. It's a great populist talking point, but when you think about it, just takes more power away from the people to choose who they want to represent them.



No, it actually gives the people MORE power to choose because the elections wouldn't be dominated by corporate money.


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: Webster10]
    #23750101 - 10/18/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Why not let the people decide on a individual basis who doesn't deserve to remain in office, instead of creating an arbitrary and undemocratic limit?



The people never even hear about candidates unless the corporate media knows there just another bought and paid for puppet.



My future representative won the primary despite being outspent ten to one by his competitor who happened to be the wife of MSNBC's Chris Matthews.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/jamie-raskin-the-most-liberal-congressional-candidate-in-a-crowded-field/2016/04/05/6d14ec40-e4c6-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html

You're a total cynic and political novice.


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: Webster10]
    #23750105 - 10/18/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
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really isn't surprising that after Trump proposes something that everyone wants you find a way to argue against it. It's almost like you have a reason for upholding the current, broken, pay for play system we have now. Hmmmm




I've always been against term limits. It's a great populist talking point, but when you think about it, just takes more power away from the people to choose who they want to represent them.



No, it actually gives the people MORE power to choose because the elections wouldn't be dominated by corporate money.




God you are so naive. It's really annoying.

Answer this simple question: do term limits limit the choices that the people have in who represents them in congress? Yes or no.


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750135 - 10/18/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Here's another fact to chew on: term limited politicians have no accountability to the electorate.


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750144 - 10/18/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
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really isn't surprising that after Trump proposes something that everyone wants you find a way to argue against it. It's almost like you have a reason for upholding the current, broken, pay for play system we have now. Hmmmm




I've always been against term limits. It's a great populist talking point, but when you think about it, just takes more power away from the people to choose who they want to represent them.



No, it actually gives the people MORE power to choose because the elections wouldn't be dominated by corporate money.




God you are so naive. It's really annoying.

Answer this simple question: do term limits limit the choices that the people have in who represents them in congress? Yes or no.



Congresssional term limits will help take the money out of congress because as of now we have lifelong politicians who are funded by and have been funded by the same corporations for the last several decades. Lifelong politicians sell out, do their masters' bidding and then are heavily funded during their re election, making it nearly impossible for an honest candidate to win.


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750146 - 10/18/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Here's another fact to chew on: term limited politicians have no accountability to the electorate.



False.

Term limited politicians have no accountability to the multinational corporations that fund our current life-long politicians.


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: Webster10]
    #23750168 - 10/18/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How so? They will just do the biding of their future employer, since they will be needing a new job.


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750173 - 10/18/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you are going to support a constitutional amendment, why not support one that bans all money in politics except for individual donations? Instead you support one that doesn't solve anything and takes away choices from the people?


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750175 - 10/18/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How so? They will just do the biding of their future employer, since they will be needing a new job.



Why would any future employer be interested in a employing a politician who will be forced out of office in a few years anyway? After their term limit is up, what good are they to the employer?  There is no perfect system but Trumps proposed system is 1000x better than our current corrupt system.


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750178 - 10/18/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If you are going to support a constitutional amendment, why not support one that bans all money in politics except for individual donations? Instead you support one that doesn't solve anything and takes away choices from the people?



The latter half of the post is just absolutely false. I support such an amendment, but Trump hasn't proposed it. At least Trump has proposed something. Hillary is all about the status quo and expanding corruption.


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: Webster10]
    #23750181 - 10/18/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

When their term limit is up, then they just start lobbying congress. You're just creating more lobbyists

Why don't you trust the people to make their own choices?


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750192 - 10/18/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

ill say this again: term limits are fundamentally undemocratic. They take the choice of who represents them away from the people. You cannot counter the argument because it is objectively true.


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750403 - 10/18/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

why are you so against democratic processes that allow term limits. youre not even liberal


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750407 - 10/18/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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ill say this again: term limits are fundamentally undemocratic. They take the choice of who represents them away from the people. You cannot counter the argument because it is objectively true.



That's fine. It is objectively true that they are indeed fundamentally undemocratic. That alone doesn't make it a good or bad thing though, and the democratic principle may not be the best option for the circumstance (at least not on the principle that it is democratic alone). I suppose you support people voting on every single issue as well? When you think about it, legislators are fundamentally undemocratic, because they take away the choice of the people in order to represent a portion of them.

Are you against presidential term limits too for the same reasons?


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23750415 - 10/18/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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ill say this again: term limits are fundamentally undemocratic. They take the choice of who represents them away from the people. You cannot counter the argument because it is objectively true.



Are you against presidential term limits too?




its obvious he would any trump supporter would


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750456 - 10/18/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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When their term limit is up, then they just start lobbying congress. You're just creating more lobbyists

Why don't you trust the people to make their own choices?



Except that Trump would ban them from lobbying for at least five years. At which point they'd be irrelevant


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23750458 - 10/18/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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ill say this again: term limits are fundamentally undemocratic. They take the choice of who represents them away from the people. You cannot counter the argument because it is objectively true.



That's fine. It is objectively true that they are indeed fundamentally undemocratic. That alone doesn't make it a good or bad thing though, and the democratic principle may not be the best option for the circumstance (at least not on the principle that it is democratic alone). I suppose you support people voting on every single issue as well? When you think about it, legislators are fundamentally undemocratic, because they take away the choice of the people in order to represent a portion of them.

Are you against presidential term limits too for the same reasons?




Yes


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: Webster10]
    #23750497 - 10/18/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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When their term limit is up, then they just start lobbying congress. You're just creating more lobbyists

Why don't you trust the people to make their own choices?



Except that Trump would ban them from lobbying for at least five years. At which point they'd be irrelevant



How would he do that?


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: koods]
    #23750631 - 10/18/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Here's another fact to chew on: term limited politicians have no accountability to the electorate.





what accountability is there for obamacare?


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Re: Trump to propose congressional term limits - THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23750670 - 10/18/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

none. koods you lose


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