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The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area 4
#23749079 - 10/18/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What do you think? I'm on location...more later!
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23749095 - 10/18/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sure looks like it to me. I would be willing to bet someone introduced them. What kind of habitat are they growing in?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23749107 - 10/18/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nobody introduced this patch. It sits directly in front of the office of a thriving business, and at the general location last year I found over-ripe, unmolested allenii.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23749112 - 10/18/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: Nobody introduced this patch.
Why else would they be there?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23749116 - 10/18/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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maynardjameskeenan said:
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DavidReishi said: Nobody introduced this patch.
Why else would they be there?
Because mushrooms grow naturally.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23749127 - 10/18/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Beautiful! but i do imagine someone put them there too if this is the first Azures in the area.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: ellomello]
#23749150 - 10/18/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Considering that the location is vast and has lots of great areas and yet the patch sits directly in the worst spot possible (right in front of the main office), and considering that there's nothing at all indicating otherwise, it's very very unlikely that the patch was put here by human hands.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23749224 - 10/18/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice find. I think auweia and tahoe might have found azures in Richmond back in 06.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Sirtalis]
#23749460 - 10/18/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In the process of cleaning 'em. Even the gills appear to bruise blue!
Sirtalis - I guess it's the first bonafide case then, i.e. with pics and specimens. Anyway, I didn't mean much by that in the title. The point is, it's friggin' Azzies in the Bay!
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23749488 - 10/18/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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my dad used to take all the seeds out of shitty weed, and plant them in the police station planters. i can imagine someone might purposely put them in the middle of the open so that someone like you would walk by and go "all right! these guys are finally in the area!"
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: PNW UW] 2
#23749505 - 10/18/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PNW UW said: my dad used to take all the seeds out of shitty weed, and plant them in the police station planters. i can imagine someone might purposely put them in the middle of the open so that someone like you would walk by and go "all right! these guys are finally in the area!"
No offense, but that's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23749546 - 10/18/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That was slightly offensive, get off the fence David! why is it so hard to believe someone would start substrate in public. To me it's more impossible to imagine a spore floated there in the middle of the city, but crazy sht happens. Anyway this is stupid.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: ellomello]
#23749553 - 10/18/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ellomello said: Anyway this is stupid.
You're right. Shut up already.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23749688 - 10/18/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats fucking badass great find
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: BoomerMan420] 3
#23749711 - 10/18/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Sirtalis]
#23749824 - 10/18/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anything's possible...but I wouldn't hold your breath. If you haven't noticed, much of what Tahoe says is for "entertainment purposes only."
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23749980 - 10/18/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol, it's funny, "because mushrooms grow naturally."
yeah, because azures grow naturally in san francisco
very nice patch
i wouldn't be surprised that they're so maggot free and clean is because the area is sprayed by clueless and careless landscapers lol, i've noticed this before about school/park/commercial area landscapes.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: kushner]
#23750006 - 10/18/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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kushner said: i wouldn't be surprised that they're so maggot free and clean is because the area is sprayed by clueless and careless landscapers lol, i've noticed this before about school/park/commercial area landscapes.
You might wanna tuck-in better. Your jealousy's showing.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23750014 - 10/18/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Really cool find, those babies are pristine looking
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23750132 - 10/18/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Beautiful find, im hella jelly.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Lucis]
#23750252 - 10/18/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks, gents! Below is pictured the total harvest from today, minus one specimen for a spore print Believe it or not, I'm headed back up to the North bay in a little bit to water the hundreds of pins and youngsters that I left. (Way too sketchy during business hours.) We have sunny days ahead that are gunna reach 40 percent humidity...I learned my lesson with this shit already.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Sk8nshram]
#23750335 - 10/18/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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these look amazing
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Sk8nshram]
#23750349 - 10/18/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are definitely Psilocybe azurescens. I know a couple people who have been planting azurescens spawn in the bay area. In the wild, Psilocybe azurescens only grows within 25 miles or so of the mouth of the Columbia river, and it doesn't turn up in our area without someone's help.
Psilocybe cyanescens, P. allenii and P. ovoideocystidiata do occur (only on artificial wood chip substrates) in the bay area without anyone's deliberate assistance.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23750368 - 10/18/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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P. azurescens has been found in it's natural habitat (dune grasses) as far south as Newport/Waldport which is nearly 150 miles from the Columbia river
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan] 1
#23750390 - 10/18/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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sick find
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23750489 - 10/18/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: I know a couple people who have been planting azurescens spawn in the bay area.
I doubt it in this case. Nobody in their right mind would try to place a patch where this one's located. Give your peeps a ring and see if they know its whereabouts.
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maynardjameskeenan said: P. azurescens has been found in it's natural habitat (dune grasses) as far south as Newport/Waldport which is nearly 150 miles from the Columbia river 
Well, your and Alan's gratuitous assumptions aside, it looks like its natural habitat might in fact extend 800 miles from the Columbia river.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23750568 - 10/18/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its very possible someone planted another nearby patch and through animal, human, and / or environmental factors it naturally spread wherever it could. Which just happened to be where you found them.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Byrain]
#23750622 - 10/18/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's less unlikely, but still improbable. There isn't exactly a psilocybe-frenzy in the Bay area, and the only times azures have been attempted in the Bay, they refused to fruit. So it can be imagined that there's teams of people going around inoculating the Bay with azurescens spawn, but in reality that's nonsense.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 2
#23750630 - 10/18/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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mod edit: Flame removed
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23750662 - 10/18/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: and the only times azures have been attempted in the Bay, they refused to fruit. So it can be imagined that there's teams of people going around inoculating the Bay with azurescens spawn, but in reality that's nonsense.
Azures fruit just fine in the bay area - someone had them fruiting pretty well at the Oakland courthouse a few years back. There's several people actively planting P. azurescens spawn in the east bay.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23750690 - 10/18/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bullshit and...bullshit.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: PNW UW]
#23750746 - 10/18/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PNW UW said: my dad used to take all the seeds out of shitty weed, and plant them in the police station planters. i can imagine someone might purposely put them in the middle of the open so that someone like you would walk by and go "all right! these guys are finally in the area!"
I like your dad. Gorillas. 
And much like your dad, I scattered out a bagfull of cyan woodchip right outside my local police station. I'd loved to have got a picture of them growing there, with the 'Thames valley police' sign right next to that little patch. Just as a little to our local constabulary, but even more to and the idiotic rules that our politicians force them to uphold.
In the same vein. I once scattered handfulls of hemp seed I'd bought from a local pet shop as I cycled down a hill. To this day I don't know if it was the local council that freaked out and grubbed them all up, or some stoner who thought he'd found the motherload. They weren't even in flower!
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: deucedbi9]
#23750952 - 10/19/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 3
#23751342 - 10/19/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: Bullshit and...bullshit.
Dude, quite being a pissy baby. People who have been at this a long time are trying to inform you and all you're doing is throwing a fit. I like you, you put up good posts. Please stop.
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#23751364 - 10/19/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: That's less unlikely, but still improbable. There isn't exactly a psilocybe-frenzy in the Bay area, and the only times azures have been attempted in the Bay, they refused to fruit. So it can be imagined that there's teams of people going around inoculating the Bay with azurescens spawn, but in reality that's nonsense.
So what's your alternate hypothesis? That they spread from their natural range to where you found them all on their own?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Mr Piggy]
#23751372 - 10/19/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mr Piggy said:
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DavidReishi said: Bullshit and...bullshit.
Dude, quite being a pissy baby. People who have been at this a long time are trying to inform you and all you're doing is throwing a fit. I like you, you put up good posts. Please stop.
Nobody's tried to "inform" me of anything. I just lost some respect for your intelligence.
And anyway, if I remember correctly, you were originally a douche-bag to me for no reason (last year), and then when I effortlessly blasted you a new asshole, you suddenly changed your tune. Welcome back.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Byrain]
#23751381 - 10/19/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: That's less unlikely, but still improbable. There isn't exactly a psilocybe-frenzy in the Bay area, and the only times azures have been attempted in the Bay, they refused to fruit. So it can be imagined that there's teams of people going around inoculating the Bay with azurescens spawn, but in reality that's nonsense.
So what's your alternate hypothesis? That they spread from their natural range to where you found them all on their own?
What does "all on their own" mean? Spores travel by air, shoes, clothing, human hair, animals, cargo, etc, etc. I just have doubts that a Bay area cultivated-patch was involved.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 3
#23751394 - 10/19/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So to recap: Spores travelling by human shoes or hair is obvious, but by human hand is bullshit and out of the question....
riiiight......
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23751395 - 10/19/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Byrain said:
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DavidReishi said: That's less unlikely, but still improbable. There isn't exactly a psilocybe-frenzy in the Bay area, and the only times azures have been attempted in the Bay, they refused to fruit. So it can be imagined that there's teams of people going around inoculating the Bay with azurescens spawn, but in reality that's nonsense.
So what's your alternate hypothesis? That they spread from their natural range to where you found them all on their own?
What does "all on their own" mean? Spores travel by air, shoes, clothing, human hair, animals, cargo, etc, etc. I just have doubts that a Bay area cultivated-patch was involved.
So why can't you convey your doubts with respect?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23751399 - 10/19/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It means pretty much what you said, through various factors spores spread from one place to another without intentional intervention. My question is that if that is what happened and they successfully grew (You clearly did find them), then why would an intentional patch in which someone chose a specific micro-habitat where they then spread naturally be less likely? It only takes a handful of motivated hippies to try that.
There is also the possibility that someone went around with a spray bottle filled of a spore slurry and sprayed it wherever they could including public locations and they just happened to grow there. I guess it is possible they spread from their natural range unintentionally, but that would of taken far more coincidences to occur than if someone helped out.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Roger Wilco]
#23751400 - 10/19/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Roger Wilco said: So to recap: Spores travelling by human shoes or hair is obvious, but by human hand is bullshit and out of the question....
Uh, no. Nobody said anything about spores traveling by human hand. We're talking about cultivated patches. And "out of the question" was never said. Man...you're not very good.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Sk8nshram] 2
#23751403 - 10/19/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No can prove how they got there in all honesty. Unless it was made by someone and they come forward, which is doubtful. So I'm not sure why we are arguing about that. All I'm looking for is some respect. Give some and you'll get some.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Sk8nshram]
#23751425 - 10/19/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe you should pop a few of those azurescens in your mouth, meditate, and you'll come to realize why people are arguing with you.
It's sad that you have to personally attack people on here.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 2
#23751433 - 10/19/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Countless cultivated patches of many species are made via spore water each year. You should read up the last few years of "official" PNW and NSW, and ovoid threads.
A lot of people try and hit every bare woodchip they can find with spore slurry, stem butts. This is much more common practice than someone making an outdoor patch with spawn, which requires a lot more effort and time. Those that do cultivated patches with spawn will use their fruits to make spore water, and spread it and the stem butts to make new patches. This is a common well documented practice.
By the way, someone did suggest spore by hand, I did, followed soon after by Byrain.
Perhaps you should go cool down, do some reading, get caught up to speed......
I still won't be very good when you get back.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Roger Wilco]
#23751447 - 10/19/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13425527/fpart/1/vc/1
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15787028#15787028
My liquid cultures are ready and I'll be spraying areas that have Leratiomyces ceres present or nearby. I think that everyone who mushroom hunts should be spraying.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Sirtalis]
#23751451 - 10/19/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sirtalis said: Maybe you should pop a few of those azurescens in your mouth, meditate, and you'll come to realize why people are arguing with you.
No need. I recognize jealousy instantly.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 3
#23751465 - 10/19/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm trying to be happy for your awesome shroomy find but the assholeness is wrecking it.
There is no evidence one way or the other how the patch you found came to be and I'm not weighing in on that but it's well known around these parts (shroomery) that patches of actives have been deliberately placed through slurries and other methods.
I'm not sure why you're taking such investment in your "natural patch stance" - you could be all twinkly eyed and soul-bursting right now
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: RiverDweller1] 1
#23751492 - 10/19/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its because if any of these hypothesis panned out this would no longer be the first case of Psilocybe azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area. I guess hippy pride can be pretty silly at times.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Byrain] 2
#23751517 - 10/19/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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All pride can be silly at times
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Byrain]
#23751693 - 10/19/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Byrain said: Its because if any of these hypothesis panned out this would no longer be the first case of Psilocybe azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area. I guess hippy pride can be pretty silly at times.
You've got it wrong once again, Byrain. I added "first case" in the title for effect. I invested nothing in that aspect, though I was fairly certain that it's the first documented azurescens find in the Bay. Which it appears to be. So by what logic does how the patch ended up there change that?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23751721 - 10/19/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If that was true then why are you arguing over some silly bs rather than musing over the potential ways this patch came into existence? I would suggest we drop this and continue on with more worthy discussions.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Byrain] 5
#23751743 - 10/19/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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"You cannot reason people out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.”
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23751752 - 10/19/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just find it funny that everyone is fighting over shrooms, seems a bit strange.
Of course I blew my mind years ago, so maybe I am not grasping the severity of the situation.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23751770 - 10/19/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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maynardjameskeenan said: "You cannot reason people out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.”
Dude, every time you come at me you end up scampering off with your tail between your legs. Give it up already.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23751788 - 10/19/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread is funny if nothing else. Thanks for the laughs.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23752735 - 10/19/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aside from Alan deleting a few of my choicest tid-bits, I've got no regrets about anything said by me above. I created a post on location about an amazing find, the first documented Azure find in the Bay area, and certain of you tried to ruin the thread from the get-go. That's on you guys...all I did was defend what I think is true according to my knowlege of the location and carefully mete out pricks in response to your uncalled for innuendos and insults.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23752834 - 10/19/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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David resishi I am amazed at your find, fucking gorgeous. Haters gonna hate, that's just life. I am no longer amazed when I see people being shitty on here, they're jealous of your success bro. And more than likely alot of them sit on the Internet trolling this mushroom forum and miss out on experiencing actual mushroom hunting, especially successful hunting like you've shown here. My question is this: how do these geniuses know how that patch got there from being on the Internet? I wonder if any of them went to your patch, observed it closely, and then came to a conclusion about it's origins? I'm pretty sure they just talk shit on the Internet and have small minds. Keep up the good hunt, don't let shroomerite fools bring you down, the cultivation board is even more loaded with egotistical fucks but there's alot of them in hunting and identifying too. I'd recommend a good dose of pussy for these nobody's, it'll take the edge off.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Hammer92]
#23752919 - 10/19/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hammer92 said: David resishi I am amazed at your find, fucking gorgeous. Haters gonna hate, that's just life. I am no longer amazed when I see people being shitty on here, they're jealous of your success bro. And more than likely alot of them sit on the Internet trolling this mushroom forum and miss out on experiencing actual mushroom hunting, especially successful hunting like you've shown here. My question is this: how do these geniuses know how that patch got there from being on the Internet? I wonder if any of them went to your patch, observed it closely, and then came to a conclusion about it's origins? I'm pretty sure they just talk shit on the Internet and have small minds. Keep up the good hunt, don't let shroomerite fools bring you down, the cultivation board is even more loaded with egotistical fucks but there's alot of them in hunting and identifying too. I'd recommend a good dose of pussy for these nobody's, it'll take the edge off.
Thank you. And I think everything you said is on point.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23753294 - 10/19/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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lolololol lol oh man I absolutely love how you ruffle feathers
cool find for sure.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: tnj8228] 1
#23753405 - 10/19/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like this thread haha. What's up David
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: aykaye47]
#23753603 - 10/19/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Howdy. Just gettin' back from a night-time watering trip into the North bay.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23753615 - 10/19/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for getting the water outa those bottles. It's essential to get the millions of gallons of water locked up in plastic containers emptied. Our weather is changing a touch cuz of it.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AstaCrazyBull]
#23753689 - 10/20/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you'd like, I can check on the AA meetings in your area for you.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23753696 - 10/20/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mushrooms always go well on a melt.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Adden]
#23753704 - 10/20/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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On a melt? Like a tuna melt?
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23753710 - 10/20/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah or turkey. I don't like ham melts unless someone else makes it.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Adden]
#23753740 - 10/20/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Adden said: Yeah or turkey. I don't like ham melts unless someone else makes it.
Does bacon count as ham?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: oxygen]
#23753745 - 10/20/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is the sky blue?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23753873 - 10/20/16 02:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's an idea: the wood used for the bed might have been imported from somewhere else, and the Azurescens just went along for the ride.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: nooneman]
#23754073 - 10/20/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: nooneman]
#23754074 - 10/20/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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nooneman said: Here's an idea: the wood used for the bed might have been imported from somewhere else, and the Azurescens just went along for the ride.
That's possible. The wood chips at the location do appear to be somewhat unusual.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 2
#23754366 - 10/20/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i wish i never commented on this thread now, pure toxicity that
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Blazeyy]
#23754540 - 10/20/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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P. allenii fruiting this morning about 20 yards from the azurescens patch. Last night I clipped a few of the biggest allenii, but accidentally left 'em in a paper bag in the landscaping. So I had to pay the price and take my ass back up there in gridlock traffic this morning.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23754654 - 10/20/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice finds man.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 2
#23754904 - 10/20/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow
That would have been a cool find without the ego trip. Obviously that's a cultivated patch. Come back when you turn 18.
Oh And no jealousy here most of us have plenty. Once you grow up and read this thread; again, you'll realize people were just trying to talk to you. You melted real fast.
Thanks for the laugh
Oh and a find from yesterday.
An azzy one of many that filled my back pack

Found several patches of dune cyans.


Its a running joke up north about Cali behavior. I think it's mean to make fun of someone, because of where they are from. The problem is your attitude. Your representation of that shitty attitude reinforces the prejudice.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Hunter hunter]
#23754936 - 10/20/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Please, people! Enough with the jealous tantrums...that's what personal diaries are for.
Edited by DavidReishi (10/20/16 02:11 PM)
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 2
#23754999 - 10/20/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Hunter hunter] 1
#23755400 - 10/20/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hunter hunter said: Wow
That would have been a cool find without the ego trip. Obviously that's a cultivated patch. Come back when you turn 18.
Oh And no jealousy here most of us have plenty. Once you grow up and read this thread; again, you'll realize people were just trying to talk to you. You melted real fast.
Thanks for the laugh
Oh and a find from yesterday.
An azzy one of many that filled my back pack

Found several patches of dune cyans.


Its a running joke up north about Cali behavior. I think it's mean to make fun of someone, because of where they are from. The problem is your attitude. Your representation of that shitty attitude reinforces the prejudice.
Wow that would would have been a cool post without the ego trip.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
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DavidReishi said: That's less unlikely, but still improbable. There isn't exactly a psilocybe-frenzy in the Bay area, and the only times azures have been attempted in the Bay, they refused to fruit. So it can be imagined that there's teams of people going around inoculating the Bay with azurescens spawn, but in reality that's nonsense.
So what's your alternate hypothesis? That they spread from their natural range to where you found them all on their own?
What does "all on their own" mean? Spores travel by air, shoes, clothing, human hair, animals, cargo, etc, etc. I just have doubts that a Bay area cultivated-patch was involved.
I think the problem is that two spores of different mating types wouldn't get down there in suitable conditions to grow and mate...
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Joust]
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Joust said: I think the problem is that two spores of different mating types wouldn't get down there in suitable conditions to grow and mate...
Interesting. Two questions for you: 1) Do you think that spores often end up traveling in clumps? And 2) Do you think it's possible that, the Bay area being less than 800 miles from the PNW and sharing the same coast, the natural azurescens spore population in the Bay area may be greater than nil?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23755729 - 10/20/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is this nipply top'd Psilo an Azure?

Why does my image appear to be deleted upon expanding.
Edited by WhyDidiDoThis (10/20/16 06:42 PM)
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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Joust said: I think the problem is that two spores of different mating types wouldn't get down there in suitable conditions to grow and mate...
Interesting. Two questions for you: 1) Do you think that spores often end up traveling in clumps? And 2) Do you think it's possible that, the Bay area being less than 800 miles from the PNW and sharing the same coast, the natural azurescens spore population in the Bay area may be greater than nil?
Knowing habitats and niche modeling. Its not likely that a species that prefers such a specific climate and substrate to grow naturally so far from the habitat. I could see them migrating, but people would have seen a lot more along the northern californian coast. It is also unlikely for a spore clump to be driven by air as they are much more effected by the weight. In addition, UV radiation would also negatively effect the survivability of those spores...
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Joust]
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I think you might be forgetting something, Joust, which Stevo came close to touching on in his last post. San Francisco is one of the prime destinations for people from all over the world...including the PNW. Simply go to the airport in the PNW and see the airplanes filling up with people every hour and taking off for San Francisco (and Oakland.). Now what do you think the Azzie spore population is in the PNW, and how do you think that's reflected in the clothing, shoes, hair, skin, fingernails and belongings of all those hundreds of people arriving over here directly from the PNW, every hour of every day of every week, etc, etc.? I would think Azzie spores radiate from most airports and tourist destinations in the world.
To me, the real question relates to how a patch of P. azurescens can fruit in relatively warm temperatures (the drop was from the 80s to the 70s or high 60s with nights at or above 50), and without rain.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: stevo]
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If you want I can make you some LC to spray around. Just need a couple stem butts.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Sirtalis]
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A small section after being watered just now. This morning I saw that the beds had been irrigated, but I knew they'd need more water after today's temps in the 80s and humidity around 30 percent.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23756565 - 10/20/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You finding any psillys in the 80s is impressive by itself. At least for the West coast that is.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: stevo]
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That's what I'd be doing. And, when the company is identified, call them up and ask where they get their oh-so-beautiful wood chips from.
Maybe you'd get an answer like "Oh, those, yeah we buy them cheap by the truckloads from a company down the Oregon coast".
Cool find in any case, you should be smuggling out those colonized chips and plug them into other beds as well.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Anglerfish]
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I'd clone the bastards since they're used to the environment. It would probably be the best course of action and run a few lines of genetics in LC.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Adden]
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 5
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DavidReishi said: Bullshit and...bullshit.
Dude, quite being a pissy baby. People who have been at this a long time are trying to inform you and all you're doing is throwing a fit. I like you, you put up good posts. Please stop.
Nobody's tried to "inform" me of anything. I just lost some respect for your intelligence.
And anyway, if I remember correctly, you were originally a douche-bag to me for no reason (last year), and then when I effortlessly blasted you a new asshole, you suddenly changed your tune. Welcome back.
No, I downplayed a child's reaction when you went full melt like you did here. There's a reason you had to opt out of ratings David, it's how you treat people just trying to have a discussion with you. This is a mushroom forum, people like to have conversations about the origins of patches, natural ranges vs introduced, ect.
Unfortunately, you seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you is attacking you. That's when you get nasty and have a toddler like meltdown. It's really sad and embarrassing to see. There's a lot about you that's really awesome. The adopting pets and taking care of them is really cool, a lot of the finds you post are really neat. Clearly you're trying to be a good person.
Maybe you should look into counseling, it really helped me deal with my anxiety and violent responses to people. It seems like right now you just pretend to be nice to people while harboring resentment and rage.
You don't know shit about mycology, and neither do I. That's why I try to listen to the people here who have dedicated their lives to it. I think there's the off chance they might know more than us. If azzies occurred naturally in wood chip beds away from the coast then Portland would be covered in them. I have never found a single patch here in all my years of hunting, except for that one I made from stem butts.
We're just seasonal actives hunters. Try not to ego trip.
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We should all invite ourselves over to David's house now and munch some actives together. That would be the most practical and efficient way to end this irritation thread 
And no, I don't mean freeload, we'll hug him and stuff and all swap stories and laugh so he will be richly paid!
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: RiverDweller1]
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23759532 - 10/21/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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<- is quite sure.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: canid]
#23759591 - 10/21/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Those fruits are too concentrated imo.
I'm w joust. That's some professional spore bombing imo.
Sweet find
They Def seem outta habitat, however the climate they're fruiting in seems of interest possibly
Maybe even planted jars of mycelium that's a nice azzie patch...
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
#23759622 - 10/21/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is too bad this turned into a train wreck. I was very excited and then incredibly let down, almost to the point that I don't find someone spawning azures all that impressive. David you should relax please you are a great hunter and passionate, both of which I find awesome character traits. Deep breaths buddy this is a cool find no matter how it happened.
I cover my jacket and walking stick and soak my shoe laces in spore water or when it's pouring smear matures all over my poncho. I've then driven 2 hours and who knows how many spores made it along with me. I could have just introduced cyans somewhere changing into my mudboots. Mud and chips and myc in the treads and there ya go.
Especially my walking stick I really work spore slurry in there hard while I use my stick for hand strength exercise. I'll soak it in my 5 gallon bucket of spore water and slurry before I go back out hunting. I've started printing on my jacket. It helps.
I also can't be the only person who drives very far to hit other areas. I've done 400 and change in 36 hour stretches of picking. Then between picking and handling them I'm sure they get on my pack and in my beard and hoodie or hat whatever. It only takes 2 spores..
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Adden]
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Returning from a night-time cleanup effort.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23759664 - 10/22/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Congrats and good hunting.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23759712 - 10/22/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Returning from a night-time cleanup effort.
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DavidReishi said: I think you might be forgetting something, Joust, which Stevo came close to touching on in his last post. San Francisco is one of the prime destinations for people from all over the world...including the PNW. Simply go to the airport in the PNW and see the airplanes filling up with people every hour and taking off for San Francisco (and Oakland.). Now what do you think the Azzie spore population is in the PNW, and how do you think that's reflected in the clothing, shoes, hair, skin, fingernails and belongings of all those hundreds of people arriving over here directly from the PNW, every hour of every day of every week, etc, etc.? I would think Azzie spores radiate from most airports and tourist destinations in the world.
To me, the real question relates to how a patch of P. azurescens can fruit in relatively warm temperatures (the drop was from the 80s to the 70s or high 60s with nights at or above 50), and without rain.
The only problem is that there are not a lot of people traveling from the coast to san francisco that way, but it really doesnt matter. I think its not impossible for spores to make their way down there in a natural sense. But when i look at this forum and so many posts are devoted to propogating its hard to say that its a natural patch, especially with people having access to genetics on this site.
Like i said, we should be seeing a lot more azurescens all up and down the californian coast if they were naturalized down there.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Joust]
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Can something not be done to clean up this thread? It's a disgrace the way Mr. Piggy and others, including some TIs, have been allowed to smear their proverbial feces all over the walls.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23762981 - 10/23/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 You just got to love reading mushroom nerds rip into each other. Especially when the drama is also educational, it's like entertainment and education!
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420] 3
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it's actually not fun man it makes the forum negative i would love for it to just be constructive n positive but a few people on here take opinions as personal attacks
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Blazeyy]
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Blazeyy said: it's actually not fun man it makes the forum negative i would love for it to just be constructive n positive but a few people on here take opinions as personal attacks
That's exactly right. All it took is my having the opinion that the patch isn't cultivated to be piled on by twenty different people. And with such nastiness, like my opinion about the patch hurt them deeply.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Blazeyy]
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I have noticed that the great debate of the mushroom enthusiast often turns to shit, at least if there are words of wisdom thrown into the personal attacks it's not ALL bad. Yeah negitivity is horrible but hey, atleast there is some beneficial banter taking place.  Pick your battles.
For a subject that attracts enlightened types, it's not all positivity and friendly dialogue.
Those that post words that feed the mind, please be kind to each other. We are here because we love to study mushrooms and read posts from brilliant minds.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
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The thing is bro, if i don't get along with people i mute them, soon as it starts getting negative i'll stick them on ignore, thankfully there has only been one so far, and judging by this i kinda get what you're saying, your opinion is that it's natural, everyone else's opinion is that it's cultivated, i understand that one may be right (n is probably the case) but there really is no need to continue, if an opinion isn't being swayed regardless of if you think it's correct or not, there is no need to continue trying.
The only people affected are people who come on here to get away from negativity, lots of us have bad mental health problems n this is a nice escape from the shit talkers n weirdos that you would find elsewhere, let's try and keep it a positive environment, if not for yourselves, do it for the users, i get both points of view and i agree with some of them scientifically but i ain't gonna take sides because i find it creates a negative vibe, i really don't wanna block anymore people, i didn't even want to block the one i did but he was consistently attacking people including TI's (still not banned??) don't be like him i can't stand it, it's vulgar.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Blazeyy]
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This is off topic but must be said. All of us know all to well that humans are not ideal creatures. We should all be kind and nice to each other, no negativity should ever exist at all, negativity shouldn't be a thing. That should be human rule number one. YES, humans in general are garbage for lack of a better term, I'll be the first to state this fact.
BUT, we can also look at this whole dilemma through a positive light. Never fight negative with negative, all ways fight negative with positive.
Just forget the negative things that negative humans say man! Who cares? I don't! Try this shit out, it's a magical secret taught to me by the magical mushrooms. Just work on being the ideal creature yourself, and you will attract others who are also ideal creatures. OMG I just gave you the secret!
It's all on you, human.
   Me personally, I was only just looking at the positives (knowledgeable banter) through the negative (cruel banter). Simply disregarding the bullshit and enjoying the knowledge.
That is all I'm saying, if I have to read some bullshit cruel banter to get to some great knowledge then honestly it's whatever. It's wayyyyyyy better than just reading plain old negative bullshit that is plain and simply negative bullshit with no moral or knowledge or anything productive behind the negativity.
I'm not too fussed about it is all I'm saying, pick your battles man, and you can spend that time getting worked up over some assholes negativity on bettering yourself. It sucks that certain banter is negative, but hey, at least the knowledge is still there.:meh:
But the good news is, it's against the rules in this forum to be nasty to each other, so if you see anything nasty just get a moderator to delete the negativity.
And on that note, let's wrap up all our negativity and throw it the fuck off the cliff.
If I notice that anyone else is being mean to anyone else I will personally inform someone who has access to delete it, just to make the forums a more positive place.

Okay, now to get back on topic, please. My opinion on the debated phenomena is the fact that we don't know. Fact over opinion.
- Yes, it is plausible that some enthusiasts have been transplanting azur myc in woodchips and David found someones cultivated azur patch. - Yes, it is plausible that some enthusiasts have been transplanting azur myc in woodchips and these cultivated azurs have fruited, dropped their spores and now their spores are making their own patches in the area, it could very well be that the spores from cultivated auzr patches in the area have actually started spreading, the species has been introduced and David has found the product of this happening.
- Yes, it is also plausible that the wind carried the azur spores all the way into a foreign area.
Thanks for chatting with me David and Blazeyy! It was very productive of me to write out some of my own thoughts on the matter!
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DavidReishi said: Can something not be done to clean up this thread? It's a disgrace the way Mr. Piggy and others, including some TIs, have been allowed to smear their proverbial feces all over the walls.

Perhaps you could extend the olive branch and clean up your own contribution to the mess in this thread.
I still would hug you and tell you funny stories though.
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DavidReishi said: Can something not be done to clean up this thread? It's a disgrace the way Mr. Piggy and others, including some TIs, have been allowed to smear their proverbial feces all over the walls.
You really shouldn't blame other people for your own shortcomings, its unshroomy.
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#23763460 - 10/23/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: Can something not be done to clean up this thread? It's a disgrace the way Mr. Piggy and others, including some TIs, have been allowed to smear their proverbial feces all over the walls.
Perhaps in the future you can try being nice to people, or at least not actively hostile. Notice that none of the other threads in this forum turned out this way. Re-read it and take a look at where it went south.
I already cleaned up this thread twice, but it's no use unless you change your behaviour.
When someone disagrees you can handle it gracefully, or not.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23763600 - 10/23/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, Alan, I re-read the thread. I think it went south in the second and fourth post, when Maynardjameskeenen, without any words of encouragement for what might be the most amazing find ever in the Bay area, turned the topic of the thread into the insistence that the patch was man-made. It wasn't so much that his words didn't ring true according to my observations, for as can be seen in my first reply to him I simply stated as much, but rather that he set the tone of the thread to be one not of friendliness and mutual amazement, but of giving in to the jealousy in one's heart and trying to take away from the joy of the find. Which is precisely what proceeded.
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#23763608 - 10/23/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The second post was perfectly respectful - this thread started going downhill in the third post, when you said with certainty "No one introduced this patch."
It's unlikely to be true, and even if it is, it's not really a thing that is possible to know - so saying it with certainty is going to annoy people.
Then you go on to defend your point by being really negative - for example https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23749505#23749505.
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#23763611 - 10/23/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No one tried to steal your joy, man. You gave it away freely. Peace out.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Byrain]
#23763622 - 10/23/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: Can something not be done to clean up this thread? It's a disgrace the way Mr. Piggy and others, including some TIs, have been allowed to smear their proverbial feces all over the walls.
You really shouldn't blame other people for your own shortcomings, its unshroomy. 
Why is it that you always manage to get things so wrong, Byrain? I'm blaming you for your shortcomings.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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It doesn't work that way, you should really take the good advice from people like Alan and just be a nicer person. Right now you are just crapping on your own thread while trying to blame most other people for your own problems, this is not how you encourage good will. I'm not saying this to try to be mean, but come on man, you can do better.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Byrain]
#23763855 - 10/23/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wasn't trying to be mean either, Byrain. This really is about your shortcomings.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
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likewise, as i enjoyed reading it
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Alan Rockefeller said: The second post was perfectly respectful - this thread started going downhill in the third post, when you said with certainty "No one introduced this patch."
It's unlikely to be true, and even if it is, it's not really a thing that is possible to know - so saying it with certainty is going to annoy people.
Then you go on to defend your point by being really negative - for example https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23749505#23749505.
I'm sorry, Alan, but you disappoint me more and more. The second post was perfectly respectful. It wasn't particularly nice, nor to me was it insightful, but it was respectful. But what you overlook is this: my response, the third post, was also perfectly respectful. Your complaint is what? That I prefaced my observations with the rhetorical device, "Nobody introduced this patch?" Which I still think is almost definitely the case based on my observations? In other words, what, he can bet that the patch was introduced (which he should be able to), but if I, the one who's actually observing it and is here in the Bay area, thinks that it wasn't, then it's ok to ruin my thread with nastiness and jealousy-on-crack, even by T.I.s?
And the example you gave above is ridiculous...did you even read it? I wasn't defending any point. I was responding to a personal insult.
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DavidReishi said: I wasn't trying to be mean either, Byrain. This really is about your shortcomings.
You might want to do a bit more reflection, this same thing happened to some of your other threads last year that Byrain didn't post in.
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DavidReishi said: I'm sorry, Alan, but you disappoint me more and more.
There you are, being a dick again for absolutely no reason.
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The second post was perfectly respectful. It wasn't particularly nice, nor to me was it insightful, but it was respectful. But what you overlook is this: my response, the third post, was also perfectly respectful. Your complaint is what? That I prefaced my observations with the rhetorical device, "Nobody introduced this patch?" Which I still think is almost definitely the case based on my observations? In other words, what, he can bet that the patch was introduced (which he should be able to), but if I, the one who's actually observing it and is here in the Bay area, thinks that it wasn't, then it's ok to ruin my thread with nastiness and jealousy-on-crack, even by T.I.s?
And the example you gave above is ridiculous...did you even read it? I wasn't defending any point. I was responding to a personal insult.
Maybe if you read the thread a few more times you'll realize that you are the reason it went downhill.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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DavidReishi said: Can something not be done to clean up this thread? It's a disgrace the way Mr. Piggy and others, including some TIs, have been allowed to smear their proverbial feces all over the walls.
Notice that none of the other threads in this forum turned out this way.
What are you talking about, Alan? I've noticed for two+ seasons a particular trend of jealous nastiness that's been allowed to be practiced in the forum. Here's an recent thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23737274/page/1
Do you notice how the thread-ruiner in the above case has one little mushroom find under his belt and has spent the rest of his time here yapping like it's the pub? All the while, the dude who had his thread ruined by him had just been out hunting mushrooms for hours?
Here's another thread from just last night: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23761962/page/2
In this case, the thread-ruiner is Mr. Piggy. Look at how this well-known 'nasty-one' is actually defended by a TI, who claims that the nastiness is justified. Go figure that both of these also made their thread-ruining appearance here.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
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I agree. Mr piggy isn't the one who went to the market, or the one who had roast beef, he seems to be a mix of the one who went WAH WAH WAH and the one who stayed home. Lol, for real he's always a douche
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Hammer92]
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should lock this now it's non productive people
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Hammer92]
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Everyone's opinion should be respected.
I hope ur right tho David, I hope azzies have been naturally acclimated or possibly even geneticly altered by man to produce a species fruiting in temps loke u have witnessed.
Very awesome. I'm drooling.
I talked to a man trying to cross pan cyans with ps. Cyans. Haha...
I dream of acclimating cyans to my area. Via making a patch with spawn. And then come fruiting season printing the fruits. Using those spores for next year's patch
Also cloning the fruits as well and using that clone as well as the print u took to make the patch next year...
Keep doing this... one year maybe the phenotype will naturally acclimate and fruit next year naturally
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
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Raven44, what a coincidence! I was literally just looking back at your earlier comment to reply to something you said with some pics, and then I reloaded and you'd posted again! Thanks for your response...please gimme a few minutes.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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Alan and Byrain are right, you've been really negative in this thread and it's hurt the thread as a result.
You have at least three people telling you this at this point. I don't know how many more it's going to take to convince you. You should step back and consider that if three people think you're in the wrong, then you're probably in the wrong. This is not how most MH&I threads go.
There is no need to put people down because they disagree with you or have different ideas than you do.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
#23764517 - 10/23/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm w joust. That's some professional spore bombing imo.

Would a patch like this change your mind? Lol, I don't mean as a bribe. But look how concentrated it is. I found the patch two years ago and I really doubt it was put there by hand. Sometimes they're just like that here in the Bay area...though that example may be a bit extreme.

But here's virtually the whole extent of the patch of P. allenii (yesterday), that sits at the same general location as the Azure patch. The latter covers 400-600% more area than these allenii.
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I hope ur right tho David, I hope azzies have been naturally acclimated or possibly even geneticly altered by man to produce a species fruiting in temps loke u have witnessed.
Actually my only position so far is that I don't think the patch is connected to any cultivation or 'spawning.' If I've ever mentioned the word "natural" regarding this patch, I meant it in the normal way we talk about the spreading of spores, including by means of human activity. Let's not forget that there's even people like SkagitHunter, who comes into direct contact with Azzies and just so happens to make periodic trips to the Bay area.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: nooneman]
#23764551 - 10/23/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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nooneman said: Alan and Byrain are right, you've been really negative in this thread and it's hurt the thread as a result.
You have at least three people telling you this at this point. I don't know how many more it's going to take to convince you. You should step back and consider that if three people think you're in the wrong, then you're probably in the wrong. This is not how most MH&I threads go.
There is no need to put people down because they disagree with you or have different ideas than you do.
Wtf? Are you some kind of sage who offers your services, or does this thread have the wrong sign on it saying "survey?" Anyway, if you think Byrain's right about anything here, then you automatically take yourself out the running for being considered seriously. I think you're here just to try to stir the pot and cause trouble again.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 2
#23764590 - 10/23/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Will you ever stop?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23764591 - 10/23/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ya'll just can't help but whip each other up.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Ran-D] 1
#23764609 - 10/23/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sirtalis said: Heh, remember this? I wonder if it's his spawn.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22620833#22620833

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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: oxygen]
#23764616 - 10/23/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I mean, even if it's not a directly cultivated patch, it's obviously much more likely that the spores came from a local source than straight from Washington. What the hell are we arguing about here?
That doesn't mean it's not a cool find, shit.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Ran-D]
#23764617 - 10/23/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sirtalis said: Heh, remember this? I wonder if it's his spawn.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22620833#22620833

It's plausible, but by no means a certainty.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Ran-D]
#23764621 - 10/23/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: I mean, even if it's not a directly cultivated patch, it's obviously much more likely that the spores came from a local source than straight from Washington.
Obviously.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23764622 - 10/23/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So we are all in agreement then.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Ran-D]
#23764644 - 10/23/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: So we are all in agreement then. 
Yes, that you have no idea what you're saying. People come directly from the PNW to SF all the time, every day of every week, covered in spores. So why in heaven's name would it be "obviously much more likely" that some lone kid from the Shroomery who ordered a spore print was responsible for it?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23764652 - 10/23/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: So we are all in agreement then. 
Yes, that you have no idea what you're saying. People come directly from the PNW to SF all the time, every day of every week, covered in spores. So why in heaven's name would it be "obviously much more likely" that some lone kid from the Shroomery who ordered a spore print was responsible for it?
i just think its funny to imagine that thats where they came from 
Makes this whole thread a little better from my perspective.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23764676 - 10/23/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Ran-D]
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DavidReishi said: some lone kid from the Shroomery who ordered a spore print was responsible for it?

Trolling confirmed.
Another who shouldn't have a T.I. badge, confirmed.
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This thread is hilarious. Jokes on you DavidReishi. Maybe some day you'll look back at this thread and realize how ridiculous and childish you sound.
I hope a mod closes this thread soon.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Sirtalis]
#23764786 - 10/23/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Blazeyy] 3
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a braggart and jerk, what a combo..
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: SmilingPolitely]
#23764799 - 10/23/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SmilingPolitely said: a braggart and jerk, what a combo..
What's that? An advert for yourself?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23764801 - 10/23/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Raven44 said: Those fruits are too concentrated imo.
I'm w joust. That's some professional spore bombing imo.

Would a patch like this change your mind? Lol, I don't mean as a bribe. But look how concentrated it is. I found the patch two years ago and I really doubt it was put there by hand. Sometimes they're just like that here in the Bay area...though that example may be a bit extreme.

But here's virtually the whole extent of the patch of P. allenii (yesterday), that sits at the same general location as the Azure patch. The latter covers 400-600% more area than these allenii.
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I hope ur right tho David, I hope azzies have been naturally acclimated or possibly even geneticly altered by man to produce a species fruiting in temps loke u have witnessed.
Actually my only position so far is that I don't think the patch is connected to any cultivation or 'spawning.' If I've ever mentioned the word "natural" regarding this patch, I meant it in the normal way we talk about the spreading of spores, including by means of human activity. Let's not forget that there's even people like SkagitHunter, who comes into direct contact with Azzies and just so happens to make periodic trips to the Bay area.
Well, in reality, no one here can hold a firm stance on weather or not they r natural or if man had anything to do w it directly or indirectly..
Sooo, it's all purely speculation. Period end of story.
It also cannot be confirmed as the first case of azzies. It MAY be the first documented case tho.
So it's all largely insignificant.
What is significant is weather or not there r more fruiting in the area. Also, if they start to spread in that area.
I'd help em out to find out for myself via spore bombing and spreading mycelium fuck it who cares if man did it or nature it's bad ass either way
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
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Make me think of a picture of cyans and allenii fruiting next to each other
Appearing as the same species expressing itself in diff phenotypic expressions if u will
Hmmmm mmmm
Cyans, alleni, azzies????, all in the same spot. Maybe they r just one species expressing diff phenotypic expressions as they will.
I suuure wonder
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#23764810 - 10/23/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Come on guys, please just be nice to David, just give him a break why don't yas?
And David, please just stop replying negatively to the negativity. If you replied positively to the negativity this would not be such a shit show and it would be a positive learning environment.
Thank you David for contributing some interesting contend. And thank you to everyone else who shared some great wisdom.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
#23764828 - 10/23/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fuck the shit show man, let this thread live on in great discussion and positivity!!!
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Raven44 said: Make me think of a picture of cyans and allenii fruiting next to each other
Appearing as the same species expressing itself in diff phenotypic expressions if u will
Hmmmm mmmm
Cyans, alleni, azzies????, all in the same spot. Maybe they r just one species expressing diff phenotypic expressions as they will.
I suuure wonder
Oh fuck yeah mate, that makes two of us, same goes with P. subaeruginosa.
Sometimes I wonder! Subs, azurs, cyans and allenii.. Are they REALLY all different species.. OR ARE THEY JUST DIFFERENT PHENOTYPES OF THE SAME DAMN SPECIES?????

Finding out that all these different species could actually be synonymous like P. tampanensis, P. mexicana and P. galindoi for example, apparently all synonymous.
And P. semilanceata and P. strictipes apparently synonymous.
Makes one wonder!
Your thoughts? I would like anyones input especially Alan's.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
#23764865 - 10/23/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sometimes I wonder! Subs, azurs, cyans and allenii.. Are they REALLY all different species.. OR ARE THEY JUST DIFFERENT PHENOTYPES OF THE SAME DAMN SPECIES?????
They are very close, but have different geographical distribution, macroscopic characteristics, chemical characteristics and ITS DNA sequences. The four can mate but it's not known if the offspring are fertile or what they would look like.
They are certainly not the same organism, as spore prints, when cultivated always make fruit that looks like the species they came from.
You can lump them if you want, but I think narrower species concepts are better in this group.
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Such a nice mixture of horseshit and great information in this thread Classic shroomery
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: stevo]
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stevo said: Shit. Do you have a link that shows this? I have planted all 4 of these in one bigass chip dump. This is going to be confusing if/when they fruit, amirite?
It's unpublished work by the European guy who we sent some prints to a couple years back. Not sure if it will get published, I just have a very rough draft. I can send it to you if you like.
Your wood chip patch might get interesting, you'll want to take photos of them each day as they develop. Sometimes they are hard to tell apart from one photo, but seeing the whole life cycle should make it easy. Time lapse would be pretty cool. The four species can be told apart by sequencing the DNA of the ITS gene. Psilocybe subaeruginosa and P. azurescens are the closest, with only 1 base pair difference. That small difference is stable across multiple collections though, and is enough to tell them apart.
Here is a BLAST on the Psilocybe allenii holotype:

And here is how it compares to the holotype of Psilocybe cyanescens:

Psilocybe azurescens

Psilocybe subaeruginosa

And Psilocybe weraroa
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23765040 - 10/23/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't mean to propose that all three or four species should be defined as the same species..
But perhaps there is something unknown here on this topic.
I'm aware that they all have diff genetic sequences but it seems there is something to learn here possibly
If they are all one, in theory.. then the fact that they can be printed and when grown the same physical expression is observed.. this would possibly say something beyond me atm admittedly.
Cordyceps can be observed to have changed its genetic sequence in response to it'd environment. According to things I've read. is this correct???
Possibly they psilocybes can change they're genetic sequence in response to environmental conditions. Which causes varieties of physical expressions...??? Purely speculating Here in a somewhat uneducated manner as some can tell I'm sure lol..
Have people that have isolated their own strains from the wild ever thought to test genetic sequences the entire step of the way? I think that'd be quite interesting to see if u can get ur genetic sequence to change via lots of time exposed to one type of environmental conditions....
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I love spreading colonized woodchips in fucked up spots...
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
#23765064 - 10/23/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I also think w the above post by alan that it is quite interesting that subs and azzies look very similar as well.. hmmm
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: liloldme]
#23765089 - 10/23/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Raven44 said: Cordyceps can be observed to have changed its genetic sequence in response to it'd environment. According to things I've read. is this correct???
Possibly they psilocybes can change they're genetic sequence in response to environmental conditions. Which causes varieties of physical expressions...??? Purely speculating Here in a somewhat uneducated manner as some can tell I'm sure lol..
We are looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_transcribed_spacer, so it's not the part of the DNA that does anything. Sequencing this costs about $25.
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Have people that have isolated their own strains from the wild ever thought to test genetic sequences the entire step of the way? I think that'd be quite interesting to see if u can get ur genetic sequence to change via lots of time exposed to one type of environmental conditions....
You would need to sequence the whole genome to find changes like that, it costs about $2000 to do that - so an expensive project to track the DNA changes over generations. Scientists do similar things all the time in their research, here is a recent example: http://news.wisc.edu/super-yeast-has-the-power-to-improve-economics-of-biofuels/
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23765168 - 10/23/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Raven44 said: Cordyceps can be observed to have changed its genetic sequence in response to it'd environment. According to things I've read. is this correct???
Possibly they psilocybes can change they're genetic sequence in response to environmental conditions. Which causes varieties of physical expressions...??? Purely speculating Here in a somewhat uneducated manner as some can tell I'm sure lol..
We are looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_transcribed_spacer, so it's not the part of the DNA that does anything. Sequencing this costs about $25.
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Have people that have isolated their own strains from the wild ever thought to test genetic sequences the entire step of the way? I think that'd be quite interesting to see if u can get ur genetic sequence to change via lots of time exposed to one type of environmental conditions....
You would need to sequence the whole genome to find changes like that, it costs about $2000 to do that - so an expensive project to track the DNA changes over generations. Scientists do similar things all the time in their research, here is a recent example: http://news.wisc.edu/super-yeast-has-the-power-to-improve-economics-of-biofuels/
My professor just quoted me 8000 with full Genome sequencing..... but the problem is putting it together.... which requires mad server space? right?
At least this was my impression.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan] 2
#23765441 - 10/23/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: Yes, Alan, I re-read the thread. I think it went south in the second and fourth post, when Maynardjameskeenen, without any words of encouragement for what might be the most amazing find ever in the Bay area, turned the topic of the thread into the insistence that the patch was man-made. It wasn't so much that his words didn't ring true according to my observations, for as can be seen in my first reply to him I simply stated as much, but rather that he set the tone of the thread to be one not of friendliness and mutual amazement, but of giving in to the jealousy in one's heart and trying to take away from the joy of the find. Which is precisely what proceeded.
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maynardjameskeenan said: Sure looks like it to me. I would be willing to bet someone introduced them. What kind of habitat are they growing in?
I didn't mean to sour anyone's thread, I was trying to help you identify your mushrooms. Notice how I didn't respond or ague to your "Because mushrooms grow naturally." People on this forum (especially TI's and MH&I in general) normally aren't dickheads, we come here to help people and look at cool mushrooms. You asked what people thought and I was asking you some questions about them to make sure they were azurescens. Your own name calling and poor attitude ruined this thread- its classic 'victim playing'.
Your finds are really really cool, no doubt about that! I hope that in the future your hubris and egotism don't overshadow such amazing finds. Right now you're the most prolific hunter in the bay area that posts on this site, keep it up slugger!
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23765708 - 10/23/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you sure you're not using someone else's "I swear I'm not jealous" template or something?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 3
#23765719 - 10/24/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right, no one in Oregon or Washington can find azurescens. Not like you can champ.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23765726 - 10/24/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sure your shrink told you it's more complex than that.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 3
#23765790 - 10/24/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No worries kiddo.
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Lol stop trying to troll Maynard. He is chill as fuck.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 1
#23765806 - 10/24/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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stevo said: Shit. Do you have a link that shows this? I have planted all 4 of these in one bigass chip dump. This is going to be confusing if/when they fruit, amirite?
It's unpublished work by the European guy who we sent some prints to a couple years back. Not sure if it will get published, I just have a very rough draft. I can send it to you if you like.
Your wood chip patch might get interesting, you'll want to take photos of them each day as they develop. Sometimes they are hard to tell apart from one photo, but seeing the whole life cycle should make it easy. Time lapse would be pretty cool. The four species can be told apart by sequencing the DNA of the ITS gene. Psilocybe subaeruginosa and P. azurescens are the closest, with only 1 base pair difference. That small difference is stable across multiple collections though, and is enough to tell them apart.
Here is a BLAST on the Psilocybe allenii holotype:

And here is how it compares to the holotype of Psilocybe cyanescens:

Psilocybe azurescens

Psilocybe subaeruginosa

And Psilocybe weraroa

It's all very interesting Alan and sorry David for further derailing your thread which is also interesting and somewhat amusing, nice finds by the way.
I'm interested to learn if it's possible to artificially create this...

By mating isolated monokaryons of this...

With isolated monokaryons of this...

In macroscopic form there are many different forms of the first partially secotioid mushroom I posted above and I wonder if they are the result of natural hybridisation of Psilocybe subaeruginosa and P. weraroa.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23765825 - 10/24/16 01:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is the best ride in the park today that's for sure! Imma ride it all day tomorrow if it's still open!
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: N05482]
#23765834 - 10/24/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yay, it's inski! I love your work dude, I honestly do! You are my favorite user, mad respect for you brother!
inski, over humble yet over knowledgeable, it's a win win scenario.
I saw inski as the last post and was like..........

inski, you would never be able to de-rail shit brother! If anything you have put the train back on the rails and gave that motherfucker a nitrous oxide engine!!!!!

Can you make P. subsecotioides by crossing isolated monokaryons of P. subaeruginosa and P. weraroa? Only one way to find out, am I right! 
Now, what's a monokaryon?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
#23765847 - 10/24/16 01:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you don't mind inski, I wonder, how would one go about isolating monokaryons from two species and mating them?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
#23765852 - 10/24/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks
A monokaryon is the resulting mycelium of a single spore that has germinated, it is unable to produce fruitbodies until it 'mates' with another compatible monokaryotic mycelium which in turn creates a dikaryotic culture which is able to produce fruitbodies, basically two compatible spores must germinate and mate to produce the dikaryotic mycelium which is capable of fruiting.
The best and most accessible way of isolating monokaryons is by using the dilution to extinction method, a series of dilutions of a spore solution is made, the final dilution is used to inoculate an agar plate and as soon as any cultures are noticed they are transferred to new plates, to be sure the cultures are monokaryotic a small sample of the culture is examined with the light microscope, if there are no clamp connections present it is monokaryotic.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: inski]
#23765860 - 10/24/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inski. Wow. Nice. That's fkn deep there. I really enjoyed that big time. I'm speaking for most. I have SO much to learn here. I see DR does too. Hey let's do this!
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: inski]
#23765861 - 10/24/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, thank you inski!

And thank you for your reply, you are a great teacher.
You did the dilution to extinction method to cultivate P. aucklandiae on your second attempt, but not on your first attempt, am I correct in stating that?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
#23765864 - 10/24/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That makes two of us AstaCrazyBull
You have a fan club inski!
Awaiting more knowledge from inski like........
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
#23766388 - 10/24/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've spoken to a man, with a project he has started yet put on hold.
He attempts to cross pan cyans, with ps. Cyans. To create cyans that would fruit everywhere essentially lol. Pretty cool guy. I'd have to dig up the info on how he went about this.
Liquid media and a centrifuge if I remember right were utilized to attain the clamp connections if u will...
Apparently two cells can be placed into a "PEG" solution. Then centrifuged. Dies can be used to aid the process. U then view the cells to see if the "protoplasts" have fused. He made it sound simple enough lol.
Very interesting stuff.
I personally wonder if it's not hybridization but simply phenotypic expressions if u will. And something underlying is possibly preventing us from seeing that they're all related. Just my personal uneducated speculation
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
#23766401 - 10/24/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Raven44 said: I've spoken to a man, with a project he has started yet put on hold.
He attempts to cross pan cyans, with ps. Cyans.
I strongly doubt it is possible to cross Panaeolus and Psilocybe.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Anglerfish]
#23766403 - 10/24/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Raven44 said: I've spoken to a man, with a project he has started yet put on hold.
He attempts to cross pan cyans, with ps. Cyans.
I strongly doubt it is possible to cross Panaeolus and Psilocybe.
I strongly disagree
The man is rather brilliant.
"somatic cell nuclear fusion still occurs under PEG conditions the same way plant protoplasts fuse."
This is why I insinuated man could have altered nature and caused this find. It's possible. And people would totally do that. There are people doing it now most likely. It may also already have been done.
Everyone here is capable of doing so. Read GGMM by Paul stamets. He explains spore dilution to extinction. Tradd cotter also might do so in his book.
Then start playing with mono cultures. It's a cake walk. Just lots of time I imagine and some equipment
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
#23766468 - 10/24/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is this species???
I'm interested to learn if it's possible to artificially create this...
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
#23766721 - 10/24/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are these active? I went to some shopping center in east bay today. When I first saw them, I thought just normal little brown mushrooms. Just for curious, I picked couple of them, at beginning the cut is watery, transparent liquid, no blue, but when I go back to home, I noticed they showed a little blue and a lot of grey or black now.


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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
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Raven44 said: I've spoken to a man, with a project he has started yet put on hold.
He attempts to cross pan cyans, with ps. Cyans.
I strongly doubt it is possible to cross Panaeolus and Psilocybe.
I strongly disagree
The man is rather brilliant.
"somatic cell nuclear fusion still occurs under PEG conditions the same way plant protoplasts fuse."
This is why I insinuated man could have altered nature and caused this find. It's possible. And people would totally do that. There are people doing it now most likely. It may also already have been done.
Everyone here is capable of doing so. Read GGMM by Paul stamets. He explains spore dilution to extinction. Tradd cotter also might do so in his book.
Then start playing with mono cultures. It's a cake walk. Just lots of time I imagine and some equipment
Thanks for sharing this, it certainly adds to the conversation and is not something to nay-nay. Lot's of reading can be found on the topic and mating different species on agar is nothing newly in practice.
Tradd Cotter and Stamets have most definitely done so. Cotter's latest book is quite informative and includes such info.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: seaspearo]
#23766979 - 10/24/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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seaspearo said: Are these active? I went to some shopping center in east bay today. When I first saw them, I thought just normal little brown mushrooms. Just for curious, I picked couple of them, at beginning the cut is watery, transparent liquid, no blue, but when I go back to home, I noticed they showed a little blue and a lot of grey or black now.



The mushrooms in the first picture aren't the same as the ones in the other two.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
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The mushrooms in the first picture aren't the same as the ones in the other two.
They are the same, after picked them, I put into a plastic bag, when I back to home, I noticed it showed some blue or black. From the first picture, they did not seems active, do you know what kind are they?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: seaspearo]
#23767055 - 10/24/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spore print please.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23767073 - 10/24/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The two in the top pic far left kinda cut off look like the ones in the bottom pic.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
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Raven44 said: What is this species???
I'm interested to learn if it's possible to artificially create this...

Psilocybe subsecotioides
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: seaspearo]
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seaspearo said: Are these active? I went to some shopping center in east bay today. When I first saw them, I thought just normal little brown mushrooms. Just for curious, I picked couple of them, at beginning the cut is watery, transparent liquid, no blue, but when I go back to home, I noticed they showed a little blue and a lot of grey or black now.



These look like they could be slightly dry allenii. But the over turned one does look slightly off for some reason. But if they ate p. Allenii they would turn nearly black if stored in plastic baggy.
Wrong place for id but interesting none the less.
What do you suspect the first pic to be maybe Maynard?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: seaspearo]
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seaspearo said: Are these active? I went to some shopping center in east bay today. When I first saw them, I thought just normal little brown mushrooms. Just for curious, I picked couple of them, at beginning the cut is watery, transparent liquid, no blue, but when I go back to home, I noticed they showed a little blue and a lot of grey or black now.



The mushrooms in the first picture aren't the same as the ones in the other two.
They are the same, after picked them, I put into a plastic bag, when I back to home, I noticed it showed some blue or black. From the first picture, they did not seems active, do you know what kind are they?
Thanks!
The first picture is certainly something different than the other 2. I am absolutely 110% sure about that.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Ran-D]
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Which makes you absolutely 110% wrong. They're the same.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23768500 - 10/24/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shouldn't we mention that this is also not the place to post pics and ask for an Id.
Not to mention the double post. This same question was asked on another thread. The bay actives thread which is also not the place to ask for and id...
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
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Not to mention the double post. This same question was asked on another thread. The bay actives thread which is also not the place to ask for and id...
People shouldn't be ask for ID request in active threads (they are for posting actives in), they should instead make their own post and fill out the ID request template.
If you look at the main page of this forum you will see post marked- Read Me!!! Yes You n00b: Mushroom Hunting & Identification Forum Rules.
After reading the rules in section I, go down to section II labeled II. Accurate mushroom descriptions.
It should provide you all the information you need to make a proper ID request.
I can copy and post the entire contents of all this links in this thread if that would be helpful to anyone, please let me know.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
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maynardjameskeenan said: I can copy and post the entire contents of all this links in this thread if that would be helpful to anyone, please let me know.
Just give in to the jealousy in your heart and do it anyway.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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Just give in to the jealousy in your heart and do it anyway.
What the fuck are you trying to accomplish with this statement?
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: oxygen]
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"nobody introduced this patch"
LOL r u kidding ? of coures thos spores/culture ended up ther cuz Somebody put it ther or had spores on their clothes that floated off onto that ground, Some how a human made thos spors end up there, its well known Auzi's are not from SF
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: jcyril23]
#23768751 - 10/25/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually we mostly agree...you misapprehended my statement.
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens planted in the San Francisco Bay Area, their natural habitat [Re: DavidReishi]
#23768759 - 10/25/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you sure man? If it would help you I don't mind.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens planted in the San Francisco Bay Area, their natural habitat [Re: maynardjameskeenan] 1
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I wouldn't want to ruin your post more than I already have. I'd hate you upset you son.
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens planted in the San Francisco Bay Area, their natural habitat [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
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This thread has so much potential for tones of great discussion, stop fucking that potential up yall.
I don't want this locked, it's prompting solid discussion the shitshow is just getting annoying and I don't want all the future thread potential ruined over negativity.
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I'm not being negative. Just trying to show someone how to make a proper Id request and making sure with David that he's okay with that. This find is really great, David posts a lot of cool finds!
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23769019 - 10/25/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Raven44 said: I've spoken to a man, with a project he has started yet put on hold.
He attempts to cross pan cyans, with ps. Cyans.
I strongly doubt it is possible to cross Panaeolus and Psilocybe.
I strongly disagree
The man is rather brilliant.
"somatic cell nuclear fusion still occurs under PEG conditions the same way plant protoplasts fuse."
This is why I insinuated man could have altered nature and caused this find. It's possible. And people would totally do that. There are people doing it now most likely. It may also already have been done.
Everyone here is capable of doing so. Read GGMM by Paul stamets. He explains spore dilution to extinction. Tradd cotter also might do so in his book.
Then start playing with mono cultures. It's a cake walk. Just lots of time I imagine and some equipment
Thanks for sharing this, it certainly adds to the conversation and is not something to nay-nay. Lot's of reading can be found on the topic and mating different species on agar is nothing newly in practice.
Tradd Cotter and Stamets have most definitely done so. Cotter's latest book is quite informative and includes such info.
Different species - okay - but different genera? How is that possible? I guess seeing is believing, though.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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Nope. Matter of fact, there are 2 species in the first picture and neither of them are in the last 2 photos.
Please tell us more about your excellent ID skills.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Ran-D]
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Nope. Matter of fact, there are 2 species in the first picture and neither of them are in the last 2 photos.
Please tell us more about your excellent ID skills.
You're not gunna come outta this looking very good, Ran-D. As the poster clarified, the mushrooms in the last two pics are from the first pic.
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Above is an example of what some find objectionable. It is neither helpful nor necessary.
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Above is an example of a helpful, valid point. Many people are making these. Let's do more of these.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: P.Goose]
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All the while overlooking that I was replying to a TI who's mouth got the better of him.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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Fair point. Neither of the two examples are helpful or necessary. I say more mushroom pics and cool finds.
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#23769920 - 10/25/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 I think this thread is great
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23770755 - 10/25/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
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I don't think it is possible to cross Psilocybe and Panaeolus - phylogenetically they are pretty far apart. I know Roger Rabbit claimed to, but I think he was mistaken.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
Not a solitary chance in hell.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
Not a solitary chance in hell.
I think they are. They are clearly bluing, growing on wood chips, and the caps and gills look right for P. ovoideocystidiata. I think I can see a bit of an annulus in the first picture.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
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I don't think it is possible to cross Psilocybe and Panaeolus - phylogenetically they are pretty far apart. I know Roger Rabbit claimed to, but I think he was mistaken.

Look into somatic cell nuclear fusion in a peg solution.... also protoplasts fusion. Guess I'm rolling w rr cause he knows his shit. I'm aware he has mentioned exactly what I am mentioning here. Cause it's absolutely doable.
It's being done. As I stated.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I thought in the back of my head this might be the case but did not speak up, I'm with Alan, they are ovoids.
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Nice finds!
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
Not a solitary chance in hell.
I think they are. They are clearly bluing, growing on wood chips, and the caps and gills look right for P. ovoideocystidiata. I think I can see a bit of an annulus in the first picture.
No, they're not clearly bluing...they're clearly rotting. Didn't you read him say he clipped 'em and put 'em in a plastic bag? Also, he describes clear or white fluid coming out of the mushrooms when he clipped 'em. They're not ovoids or any other Psilocybe.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
#23770812 - 10/25/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here - between the pale color and light gills - I'm sure that I'd put at least a dollar on their being Agrocybe, at least if it weren't for the purported bluing, which I can't detect in the image at all. I don't know what else would cause the that kind of darkening in a mushroom of that description so I'm at a loss.
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#23770833 - 10/25/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, they're not clearly bluing...they're clearly rotting. Didn't you read him say he clipped 'em and put 'em in a plastic bag? Also, he describes clear or white fluid coming out of the mushrooms when he clipped 'em. They're not ovoids or any other Psilocybe.
They are definitely Psilocybe - look at how they are turning blue in the places they are damaged - especially where the stem is bent.
There aren't many choices for bluing Psilocybe in the bay area - Both Psilocybe cubensis and the closely related P. ovoideocystidiata can have veil remnants on the top of the cap, which can be seen in the first picture.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23770845 - 10/25/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol, where the stem's bent? Ovoid stems don't bend like that.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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Yes, that's how they bend. Stem texture is spot on and the stems are turning blue in various places that they are damaged. There is some bluing on the caps as well, and the correct color spore print on the caps.
The only other option would be Psathyrella candolleana, and they are clearly not that.
But no sense arguing over it, seaspero said there were 30 more - with more pictures their identity will be more clear.
Also I know him in person and can scope them when I get back to the bay area. P. ovoideocystidiata is very distinctive microscopically, with spores and lamellar cystidia much different than any other California Psilocybe.
DNA sequences of P. ovoideocystidiata from two shroomery members are in GenBank - three from Auweia in SF, and one from Mr. Mushrooms in Ohio: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/?term=Psilocybe+ovoideocystidiata
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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DavidReishi said: No, they're not clearly bluing...they're clearly rotting. Didn't you read him say he clipped 'em and put 'em in a plastic bag? Also, he describes clear or white fluid coming out of the mushrooms when he clipped 'em. They're not ovoids or any other Psilocybe.
Nah dude you are in-correct. They are P. ovoideocystidiata, look carefully.
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In the first image, notice the specimen to the far right that is not completely hygrophanous, the top of that pileus screams ovoid.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
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They're not ovoids or any other Psilocybe. $50.
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I want in on that bet.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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They are ovoids, $1000.
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Bay area ovoids I found last year. Nothing like the mushrooms in question.
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Nice ovoids bro!
Thing is, the mushrooms in question are ovoids.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
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You know you'll have to get three money-orders, right? Their maximum is $350 now.
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David, you may as well give me mah money in advance, they are ovoids pay up.

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23764964#23764964
No way. And I just went back and reminded myself of the mushrooms in question. Those are the ones you see and say 'Oh!' but then pick one and say 'Oh.'
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
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He just posted some updated pictures with blue bruising in the San Fran thread:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23711283/fpart/7#23711283
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Oh shit...lemme go look.
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My $1000 David.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23771593 - 10/25/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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maynardjameskeenan said: The mushrooms in the first picture aren't the same as the ones in the other two.
All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
I stand corrected.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23771642 - 10/25/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alan wins again. The little one on the left of the first picture just screams Psathyrella...
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23870996 - 11/27/16 01:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: Nobody introduced this patch. It sits directly in front of the office of a thriving business, and at the general location last year I found over-ripe, unmolested allenii.
I am very late to this. I haven't been online much lately. I am in no way saying this was a cultivated patch. But I know people who would give out hundreds of pounds of azure spawn and spread it out throughout the bay. Awesome find
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: tahoe] 1
#23871315 - 11/27/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What I was trying to imply was this patch was the result of one of those cultivated patches reproducing. That point was taken the wrong way, of course. People always hear what they want to hear.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Ran-D]
#23871326 - 11/27/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SO it was a cultivated patch, glad we got all that settled.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: ellomello]
#23871490 - 11/27/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nobody's talking about you, Ran-D. And your point wasn't taken the wrong way, at least by me. I thought it had a chance of being true.
Tahoe - Thanks. I've become convinced that whether put there purposely or not, the patch came into existence directly by means of spores. The reason I think this is that there appears to be a mutation or adaptation going on with this patch...specifically concerning its growth parameters. If you show me someone who's isolated such a warm and dry-weather fruiting strain of Azures, I'll believe that the patch could've started with spawn.
Aside from the question of spawn vs. spores, I've arrived at the conclusion (tentatively) that the patch was put there purposely...though not necessarily with the expectation that it would ever take off. Why do I think this? Well, remember how I said that there's nobody who'd place a patch right in front of the main office of such a large and thriving business? I mean, for crying out loud, trucks and cars come in and out of this business even on Saturdays and Sundays.
Well. In the past few weeks, while on location clipping allenii, on two separate occasions, once alone and once with my gf, a worker came up, asked what I was doing, and then said something very much like this. "Oh, that's cool. So you know my boss? He's a big time mushroom hunter. Yes, the owner. He goes up north and finds these big ass mushrooms. He's got pictures up of some of the mushrooms he's found."
I'm dying to go ask the owner about it...but I don't wanna rush a thing like this. Especially since the patch's origin isn't really a practical concern right now.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23871926 - 11/27/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Ran-D]
#23872339 - 11/27/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: What I was trying to imply was this patch was the result of one of those cultivated patches reproducing. That point was taken the wrong way, of course. People always hear what they want to hear.
This could be and probably is true. 99% of all the cyan patches are relatives of cultivated patches from the 60's. At least that was the theory. Hippies brought them down from the pnw. I have heard Stamets claim that he introduced alleni to the museum. But this was many many years ago.
I have personally seen the alleni and cyan range greatly expand over the past 20 years. I no longer need to go to the bay area to hunt. They are all over the place in my area. I credit cultivated patches and the use of the dyed wood chips for that.
Awesome find. Cya
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: tahoe] 2
#23908061 - 12/08/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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that's a pretty sweet patch of azures but according to mushroomobserver.org it's not the first find of that species in the San Francisco Bay area. Stamets & Gartz came across a specimen in Berkely back in 2013. it's not the nicest example but it is documented:
http://mushroomobserver.org/154644?q=tJa
i guess somehow OP didn't notice that when he posted his find there as well:
http://mushroomobserver.org/262064?q=tJa
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