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Joust
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23759712 - 10/22/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said:

Returning from a night-time cleanup effort.
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DavidReishi said: I think you might be forgetting something, Joust, which Stevo came close to touching on in his last post. San Francisco is one of the prime destinations for people from all over the world...including the PNW. Simply go to the airport in the PNW and see the airplanes filling up with people every hour and taking off for San Francisco (and Oakland.). Now what do you think the Azzie spore population is in the PNW, and how do you think that's reflected in the clothing, shoes, hair, skin, fingernails and belongings of all those hundreds of people arriving over here directly from the PNW, every hour of every day of every week, etc, etc.? I would think Azzie spores radiate from most airports and tourist destinations in the world.
To me, the real question relates to how a patch of P. azurescens can fruit in relatively warm temperatures (the drop was from the 80s to the 70s or high 60s with nights at or above 50), and without rain.
The only problem is that there are not a lot of people traveling from the coast to san francisco that way, but it really doesnt matter. I think its not impossible for spores to make their way down there in a natural sense. But when i look at this forum and so many posts are devoted to propogating its hard to say that its a natural patch, especially with people having access to genetics on this site.
Like i said, we should be seeing a lot more azurescens all up and down the californian coast if they were naturalized down there.
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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DavidReishi
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Joust]
#23762952 - 10/23/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can something not be done to clean up this thread? It's a disgrace the way Mr. Piggy and others, including some TIs, have been allowed to smear their proverbial feces all over the walls.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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AllDay420
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23762981 - 10/23/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 You just got to love reading mushroom nerds rip into each other. Especially when the drama is also educational, it's like entertainment and education!
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Blazeyy
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420] 3
#23763051 - 10/23/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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it's actually not fun man it makes the forum negative i would love for it to just be constructive n positive but a few people on here take opinions as personal attacks
-------------------- I give you the choice of 2 pills.
With each containing one of the following: Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk? Didn't think so. This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.
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DavidReishi
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Blazeyy]
#23763068 - 10/23/16 02:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Blazeyy said: it's actually not fun man it makes the forum negative i would love for it to just be constructive n positive but a few people on here take opinions as personal attacks
That's exactly right. All it took is my having the opinion that the patch isn't cultivated to be piled on by twenty different people. And with such nastiness, like my opinion about the patch hurt them deeply.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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AllDay420
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Blazeyy]
#23763075 - 10/23/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have noticed that the great debate of the mushroom enthusiast often turns to shit, at least if there are words of wisdom thrown into the personal attacks it's not ALL bad. Yeah negitivity is horrible but hey, atleast there is some beneficial banter taking place.  Pick your battles.
For a subject that attracts enlightened types, it's not all positivity and friendly dialogue.
Those that post words that feed the mind, please be kind to each other. We are here because we love to study mushrooms and read posts from brilliant minds.
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Blazeyy
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
#23763130 - 10/23/16 03:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The thing is bro, if i don't get along with people i mute them, soon as it starts getting negative i'll stick them on ignore, thankfully there has only been one so far, and judging by this i kinda get what you're saying, your opinion is that it's natural, everyone else's opinion is that it's cultivated, i understand that one may be right (n is probably the case) but there really is no need to continue, if an opinion isn't being swayed regardless of if you think it's correct or not, there is no need to continue trying.
The only people affected are people who come on here to get away from negativity, lots of us have bad mental health problems n this is a nice escape from the shit talkers n weirdos that you would find elsewhere, let's try and keep it a positive environment, if not for yourselves, do it for the users, i get both points of view and i agree with some of them scientifically but i ain't gonna take sides because i find it creates a negative vibe, i really don't wanna block anymore people, i didn't even want to block the one i did but he was consistently attacking people including TI's (still not banned??) don't be like him i can't stand it, it's vulgar.
-------------------- I give you the choice of 2 pills.
With each containing one of the following: Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk? Didn't think so. This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.
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AllDay420
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Blazeyy]
#23763182 - 10/23/16 04:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is off topic but must be said. All of us know all to well that humans are not ideal creatures. We should all be kind and nice to each other, no negativity should ever exist at all, negativity shouldn't be a thing. That should be human rule number one. YES, humans in general are garbage for lack of a better term, I'll be the first to state this fact.
BUT, we can also look at this whole dilemma through a positive light. Never fight negative with negative, all ways fight negative with positive.
Just forget the negative things that negative humans say man! Who cares? I don't! Try this shit out, it's a magical secret taught to me by the magical mushrooms. Just work on being the ideal creature yourself, and you will attract others who are also ideal creatures. OMG I just gave you the secret!
It's all on you, human.
   Me personally, I was only just looking at the positives (knowledgeable banter) through the negative (cruel banter). Simply disregarding the bullshit and enjoying the knowledge.
That is all I'm saying, if I have to read some bullshit cruel banter to get to some great knowledge then honestly it's whatever. It's wayyyyyyy better than just reading plain old negative bullshit that is plain and simply negative bullshit with no moral or knowledge or anything productive behind the negativity.
I'm not too fussed about it is all I'm saying, pick your battles man, and you can spend that time getting worked up over some assholes negativity on bettering yourself. It sucks that certain banter is negative, but hey, at least the knowledge is still there.:meh:
But the good news is, it's against the rules in this forum to be nasty to each other, so if you see anything nasty just get a moderator to delete the negativity.
And on that note, let's wrap up all our negativity and throw it the fuck off the cliff.
If I notice that anyone else is being mean to anyone else I will personally inform someone who has access to delete it, just to make the forums a more positive place.

Okay, now to get back on topic, please. My opinion on the debated phenomena is the fact that we don't know. Fact over opinion.
- Yes, it is plausible that some enthusiasts have been transplanting azur myc in woodchips and David found someones cultivated azur patch. - Yes, it is plausible that some enthusiasts have been transplanting azur myc in woodchips and these cultivated azurs have fruited, dropped their spores and now their spores are making their own patches in the area, it could very well be that the spores from cultivated auzr patches in the area have actually started spreading, the species has been introduced and David has found the product of this happening.
- Yes, it is also plausible that the wind carried the azur spores all the way into a foreign area.
Thanks for chatting with me David and Blazeyy! It was very productive of me to write out some of my own thoughts on the matter!
 I love you guys, your passion is my passion, so let's just be nice to each other from now on for fuck sake!!!!!
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RiverDweller1



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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 3
#23763364 - 10/23/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: Can something not be done to clean up this thread? It's a disgrace the way Mr. Piggy and others, including some TIs, have been allowed to smear their proverbial feces all over the walls.

Perhaps you could extend the olive branch and clean up your own contribution to the mess in this thread.
I still would hug you and tell you funny stories though.
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Byrain

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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 3
#23763454 - 10/23/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: Can something not be done to clean up this thread? It's a disgrace the way Mr. Piggy and others, including some TIs, have been allowed to smear their proverbial feces all over the walls.
You really shouldn't blame other people for your own shortcomings, its unshroomy.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 6
#23763460 - 10/23/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: Can something not be done to clean up this thread? It's a disgrace the way Mr. Piggy and others, including some TIs, have been allowed to smear their proverbial feces all over the walls.
Perhaps in the future you can try being nice to people, or at least not actively hostile. Notice that none of the other threads in this forum turned out this way. Re-read it and take a look at where it went south.
I already cleaned up this thread twice, but it's no use unless you change your behaviour.
When someone disagrees you can handle it gracefully, or not.
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DavidReishi
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23763600 - 10/23/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, Alan, I re-read the thread. I think it went south in the second and fourth post, when Maynardjameskeenen, without any words of encouragement for what might be the most amazing find ever in the Bay area, turned the topic of the thread into the insistence that the patch was man-made. It wasn't so much that his words didn't ring true according to my observations, for as can be seen in my first reply to him I simply stated as much, but rather that he set the tone of the thread to be one not of friendliness and mutual amazement, but of giving in to the jealousy in one's heart and trying to take away from the joy of the find. Which is precisely what proceeded.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23763608 - 10/23/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The second post was perfectly respectful - this thread started going downhill in the third post, when you said with certainty "No one introduced this patch."
It's unlikely to be true, and even if it is, it's not really a thing that is possible to know - so saying it with certainty is going to annoy people.
Then you go on to defend your point by being really negative - for example https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23749505#23749505.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 4
#23763611 - 10/23/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No one tried to steal your joy, man. You gave it away freely. Peace out.
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DavidReishi
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Byrain]
#23763622 - 10/23/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: Can something not be done to clean up this thread? It's a disgrace the way Mr. Piggy and others, including some TIs, have been allowed to smear their proverbial feces all over the walls.
You really shouldn't blame other people for your own shortcomings, its unshroomy. 
Why is it that you always manage to get things so wrong, Byrain? I'm blaming you for your shortcomings.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23763828 - 10/23/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It doesn't work that way, you should really take the good advice from people like Alan and just be a nicer person. Right now you are just crapping on your own thread while trying to blame most other people for your own problems, this is not how you encourage good will. I'm not saying this to try to be mean, but come on man, you can do better.
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DavidReishi
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Byrain]
#23763855 - 10/23/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wasn't trying to be mean either, Byrain. This really is about your shortcomings.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Blazeyy
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
#23763858 - 10/23/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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likewise, as i enjoyed reading it
-------------------- I give you the choice of 2 pills.
With each containing one of the following: Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk? Didn't think so. This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.
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DavidReishi
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23763996 - 10/23/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: The second post was perfectly respectful - this thread started going downhill in the third post, when you said with certainty "No one introduced this patch."
It's unlikely to be true, and even if it is, it's not really a thing that is possible to know - so saying it with certainty is going to annoy people.
Then you go on to defend your point by being really negative - for example https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23749505#23749505.
I'm sorry, Alan, but you disappoint me more and more. The second post was perfectly respectful. It wasn't particularly nice, nor to me was it insightful, but it was respectful. But what you overlook is this: my response, the third post, was also perfectly respectful. Your complaint is what? That I prefaced my observations with the rhetorical device, "Nobody introduced this patch?" Which I still think is almost definitely the case based on my observations? In other words, what, he can bet that the patch was introduced (which he should be able to), but if I, the one who's actually observing it and is here in the Bay area, thinks that it wasn't, then it's ok to ruin my thread with nastiness and jealousy-on-crack, even by T.I.s?
And the example you gave above is ridiculous...did you even read it? I wasn't defending any point. I was responding to a personal insult.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 3
#23764008 - 10/23/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: I wasn't trying to be mean either, Byrain. This really is about your shortcomings.
You might want to do a bit more reflection, this same thing happened to some of your other threads last year that Byrain didn't post in.
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DavidReishi said: I'm sorry, Alan, but you disappoint me more and more.
There you are, being a dick again for absolutely no reason.
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The second post was perfectly respectful. It wasn't particularly nice, nor to me was it insightful, but it was respectful. But what you overlook is this: my response, the third post, was also perfectly respectful. Your complaint is what? That I prefaced my observations with the rhetorical device, "Nobody introduced this patch?" Which I still think is almost definitely the case based on my observations? In other words, what, he can bet that the patch was introduced (which he should be able to), but if I, the one who's actually observing it and is here in the Bay area, thinks that it wasn't, then it's ok to ruin my thread with nastiness and jealousy-on-crack, even by T.I.s?
And the example you gave above is ridiculous...did you even read it? I wasn't defending any point. I was responding to a personal insult.
Maybe if you read the thread a few more times you'll realize that you are the reason it went downhill.
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