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RiverDweller1



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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 2
#23769222 - 10/25/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23769618 - 10/25/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 3
#23769776 - 10/25/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: You're not gunna come outta this looking very good, Ran-D.
Above is an example of what some find objectionable. It is neither helpful nor necessary.
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DavidReishi said: As the poster clarified, the mushrooms in the last two pics are from the first pic.
Above is an example of a helpful, valid point. Many people are making these. Let's do more of these.
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DavidReishi
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: P.Goose]
#23769834 - 10/25/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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All the while overlooking that I was replying to a TI who's mouth got the better of him.
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Ran-D said: Please tell us more about your excellent ID skills.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23769864 - 10/25/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fair point. Neither of the two examples are helpful or necessary. I say more mushroom pics and cool finds.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: P.Goose] 1
#23769920 - 10/25/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 I think this thread is great
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#23770755 - 10/25/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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maynardjameskeenan said: The mushrooms in the first picture aren't the same as the ones in the other two.
All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
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Anglerfish said: Different species - okay - but different genera? How is that possible? I guess seeing is believing, though.
I don't think it is possible to cross Psilocybe and Panaeolus - phylogenetically they are pretty far apart. I know Roger Rabbit claimed to, but I think he was mistaken.
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DavidReishi
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23770768 - 10/25/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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maynardjameskeenan said: The mushrooms in the first picture aren't the same as the ones in the other two.
All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
Not a solitary chance in hell.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23770777 - 10/25/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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maynardjameskeenan said: The mushrooms in the first picture aren't the same as the ones in the other two.
All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
Not a solitary chance in hell.
I think they are. They are clearly bluing, growing on wood chips, and the caps and gills look right for P. ovoideocystidiata. I think I can see a bit of an annulus in the first picture.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23770787 - 10/25/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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maynardjameskeenan said: The mushrooms in the first picture aren't the same as the ones in the other two.
All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
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Anglerfish said: Different species - okay - but different genera? How is that possible? I guess seeing is believing, though.
I don't think it is possible to cross Psilocybe and Panaeolus - phylogenetically they are pretty far apart. I know Roger Rabbit claimed to, but I think he was mistaken.

Look into somatic cell nuclear fusion in a peg solution.... also protoplasts fusion. Guess I'm rolling w rr cause he knows his shit. I'm aware he has mentioned exactly what I am mentioning here. Cause it's absolutely doable.
It's being done. As I stated.
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AllDay420
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23770802 - 10/25/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
I thought in the back of my head this might be the case but did not speak up, I'm with Alan, they are ovoids.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23770804 - 10/25/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice finds!
Edited by concretelush (10/25/16 05:57 PM)
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DavidReishi
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23770809 - 10/25/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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DavidReishi said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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maynardjameskeenan said: The mushrooms in the first picture aren't the same as the ones in the other two.
All the mushrooms in seaspearo's post are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
Not a solitary chance in hell.
I think they are. They are clearly bluing, growing on wood chips, and the caps and gills look right for P. ovoideocystidiata. I think I can see a bit of an annulus in the first picture.
No, they're not clearly bluing...they're clearly rotting. Didn't you read him say he clipped 'em and put 'em in a plastic bag? Also, he describes clear or white fluid coming out of the mushrooms when he clipped 'em. They're not ovoids or any other Psilocybe.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Raven44]
#23770812 - 10/25/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here - between the pale color and light gills - I'm sure that I'd put at least a dollar on their being Agrocybe, at least if it weren't for the purported bluing, which I can't detect in the image at all. I don't know what else would cause the that kind of darkening in a mushroom of that description so I'm at a loss.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23770833 - 10/25/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said:
No, they're not clearly bluing...they're clearly rotting. Didn't you read him say he clipped 'em and put 'em in a plastic bag? Also, he describes clear or white fluid coming out of the mushrooms when he clipped 'em. They're not ovoids or any other Psilocybe.
They are definitely Psilocybe - look at how they are turning blue in the places they are damaged - especially where the stem is bent.
There aren't many choices for bluing Psilocybe in the bay area - Both Psilocybe cubensis and the closely related P. ovoideocystidiata can have veil remnants on the top of the cap, which can be seen in the first picture.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23770845 - 10/25/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol, where the stem's bent? Ovoid stems don't bend like that.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23770865 - 10/25/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: Lol, where the stem's bent? Ovoid stems don't bend like that.
Yes, that's how they bend. Stem texture is spot on and the stems are turning blue in various places that they are damaged. There is some bluing on the caps as well, and the correct color spore print on the caps.
The only other option would be Psathyrella candolleana, and they are clearly not that.
But no sense arguing over it, seaspero said there were 30 more - with more pictures their identity will be more clear.
Also I know him in person and can scope them when I get back to the bay area. P. ovoideocystidiata is very distinctive microscopically, with spores and lamellar cystidia much different than any other California Psilocybe.
DNA sequences of P. ovoideocystidiata from two shroomery members are in GenBank - three from Auweia in SF, and one from Mr. Mushrooms in Ohio: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/?term=Psilocybe+ovoideocystidiata
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi]
#23770883 - 10/25/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: No, they're not clearly bluing...they're clearly rotting. Didn't you read him say he clipped 'em and put 'em in a plastic bag? Also, he describes clear or white fluid coming out of the mushrooms when he clipped 'em. They're not ovoids or any other Psilocybe.
Nah dude you are in-correct. They are P. ovoideocystidiata, look carefully.
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In the first image, notice the specimen to the far right that is not completely hygrophanous, the top of that pileus screams ovoid.
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: AllDay420]
#23770926 - 10/25/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They're not ovoids or any other Psilocybe. $50.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: The first case of Psilocybe Azurescens in the San Francisco Bay Area [Re: DavidReishi] 2
#23770931 - 10/25/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I want in on that bet.
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