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Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? *DELETED*
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Apollop] 6
#23749049 - 10/18/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It would be if you consider astrology a science. But since it is pseudoscience, I have a bridge to sell you if you are interested.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: JohnnieYen]
#23749548 - 10/18/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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JohnnieYen said: I have a bridge to sell you if you are interested.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23749552 - 10/18/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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JohnnieYen said: I have a bridge to sell you if you are interested.
On a more serious note - I fucking dig Leo's myself. Being a water sign the passion just works. There's something too all this star sign lark, I've no doubt - but to place your entire stock on it??
I think you should re-evaluate from a more empathetic perspective.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23749561 - 10/18/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If it's true, it would make no sense not to place your entire stock on it.
If it's false, it makes no sense to place any of your stock in it.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23749563 - 10/18/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What about if it's only half true, Mr Clever Clogs?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 3
#23749579 - 10/18/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then it's like playing roulette, where you have close to 50% odds. Best to write the horoscopes yourself if that's the case, because the house always wins.
Alternatively, if we're taking 50% odds, we might as well flip a quarter before making decisions. In this case, we should be in the business of writing horoscopes as well, because the people who make the quarters have a lot more quarters than I do.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Apollop]
#23749595 - 10/18/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Leos like confident dudes, just be yourself man you'll be fine.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23749603 - 10/18/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well said.
EDIT: To PatricKn & Anon #1.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Apollop]
#23749605 - 10/18/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No especially because your limited perspective restricts you to only her Sun sign
What I'm saying is you're just an idiot, not someone with any extraordinary insight
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: stzacrack]
#23749614 - 10/18/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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stzacrack said: What I'm saying is you're just an idiot, not someone with any extraordinary insight
I think that's a bit unnecessary. Please refrain from name calling round here, it aint welcome, and will result in your privilege of posting here being removed.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23749622 - 10/18/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So you would promote the courting of women based on the knowledge of their birthday? What kind of advice is that compared to my own?
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: stzacrack]
#23749691 - 10/18/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm just saying don't call someone an idiot, just because their views don't align with your own.
You might find that OK to do IRL, or in other forums, but I'll not have it here in S&R. If you want to disagree with OP, please be constructive, not slanderous.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23749743 - 10/18/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I respect you for not banning me, and also I'd like to point out that my statement of op being am idiot wasn't based on my own opinion of astrology being bunk in general, I actually studied birth charts for many years, but rather based on my own knowledge of the subject, that being that a personality is judged not only on the Sun, but on all placements within a chart concerning a particular date time and location of birth
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: stzacrack]
#23749808 - 10/18/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's nothing wrong with it
Once I see someone's chart, I automatically start acting differently around them. I get sucked into it, it's not something I can control, once I have the knowledge
It comes in layers/pieces and is more pronounced over time
I get to learn more about astrology by having these experiences
Even if you're just going by sun sign it's significant
I leave a different person...kind of like how actors are permanently transformed by the roles they play...recovering pieces of myself
I think it works out to everyone's benefit though...the other person is getting a custom fit
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: 100_the_cat]
#23749847 - 10/18/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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100_the_cat said: There's nothing wrong with it
Once I see someone's chart, I automatically start acting differently around them. I get sucked into it, it's not something I can control, once I have the knowledge
It comes in layers/pieces and is more pronounced over time
I get to learn more about astrology by having these experiences
Even if you're just going by sun sign it's significant
I leave a different person...kind of like how actors are permanently transformed by the roles they play...recovering pieces of myself
I think it works out to everyone's benefit though...the other person is getting a custom fit
The word benefit wasn't used, rather the word manipulation, which I'd hope you would agree changes the scope of your perception of the circumstance
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: stzacrack]
#23749862 - 10/18/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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stzacrack said: I actually studied birth charts for many years, but rather based on my own knowledge of the subject, that being that a personality is judged not only on the Sun, but on all placements within a chart concerning a particular date time and location of birth
And that's cool, I don't buy it 100% either, but nothing surprises me any more. Perhaps there's something to it, perhaps not, perhaps a little. It's not our place to know, just to share. Passing judgement is for suckers and fools.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23749894 - 10/18/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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And in particular trying to manipulate based on but a small portion of this supposed practice in a fools errand
That being said I hope op gets that pussy, but for real you gotta have a lil better game than this, and I do not agree with using this knowledge to manipulate anybody
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: stzacrack]
#23749935 - 10/18/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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And if you read OP carefully, you see he is trying to manipulate no one. He is asking for opinion.
Not judgement.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23750020 - 10/18/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I honestly wish more people used zodiac signs to understand people better. OP this is no different than reading her facebook and changing how you act in what you learn from there. It's public info.
That being said the definition of manipulation is "control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly, unfairly, or unscrupulously."
So yeah technically you're being manipulative. But as long as you aren't making up loads of bullshit and doing a 180 on your personality you aren't being any more manipulative than anyone else is.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23750391 - 10/18/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not doing anything different than OP, just a way more fleshed out version
Couldn't you say it's unfair that I probably know more about the person than they know about themselves? It definitely puts me in a position where I have to constantly check my motives.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: 100_the_cat] 1
#23750596 - 10/18/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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People tend to see themselves as an ego. The ego may or may not be who they actually are or who we see. No I tend to think I know more about alot of people than they know about themselves. That's all on intuition and a rough understanding of psychology and sociology. Unfair? Maybe. It absolutely does depend on what you are using that knowledge for.
I'm the kind of person that does manipulate others for entertainment, because I am a weird introverted fuck that's fascinated by human psychology. But I never intend to hurt someone, nor would I ever 'push a button' so to speak that would hurt them or get them in trouble. I honestly think that it is a jacked up introverts form of finding common ground with others. If you know what I mean.
I don't get angry all that easily (at least not at a particular person), and I don't care to use people for personal gain (actually a problem of mine, I can't even talk to my boss about raises or promotions), it is just not in my nature to harm people or set them up to be harmed. Manipulation is a natural part of social interaction. How far you take it and what you do with it determines whether it is a good or a bad thing.
There will always be those who know more than others. As long as you aren't talking to their mom behind their back and being deceitful then there is nothing wrong with knowledge and awareness in the person you are talking to and adjusting the way you interact with them. Honestly everyone should do a little of this, and most do. The one and only difference here is the method.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Apollop]
#23751117 - 10/19/16 04:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Manipulation gets such a negative association. Everyone manipulates in one way or another, haggling or convincing someone going to the movies with you is manipulation. 
It's alright as long as you're aware and not taking advantage. Who knows, maybe she wants to be manipulated? 
Guilty of looking at my star sign from time to time and I have a birth chart which I am unable to decipher
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Apollop] 1
#23751509 - 10/19/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think it is manipulation unless you use it manipulate. And you can hardly do much with a sun sign anywho. I ask most everyone what their birthday is and alot of time look up their charts. It's never for a manipulated thing but more of a research thing. I like to see if people actually act according to their astrology make up. Although most of the time they don't and it's all circumstantial to their own personal growth. I find I act different than my sun sign and more like my moon and ascendant. So I am honestly more interested in those. As well as what elements are prominent in your whole chart.
Saying that though. I do find myself strangely attracted to certain signs of different sexes. Like male geminis and libras and female aries, capricorns and cancers. All my past relationships have been geminis and libras. And my current one is with a gemini. And my son is an aries... as well as my mother. Hahah
Also @Jokeshopbeard - Honey, you are not a water sign. Sorry to tell you. You are an air sun sign. Haha Pretty confusing that one is. Air and Fire usually go well together. As much as Water and Earth.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Apollop]
#23751570 - 10/19/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hahah astrologicalsigns arent real bro stop hitting on 12 year olds
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Sheekle]
#23751623 - 10/19/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks for the comments that were actually relevant and for the people who replied with attacking comments, i wasnt asking for advice in regards to this girl, i was using her as an example as part of my question, my question was only to if some would say acting on knowledge of start sign, genuinely, to reach a certain objective is an act of manipulation..
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: pachoo]
#23751633 - 10/19/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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pachoo said: And you can hardly do much with a sun sign anywho
elaborate?
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Apollop]
#23751641 - 10/19/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think she means the sun sign is only part of the picture and doesn't fit for everyone and to really 'get' someone you should look at their other signs too.
Ime just looking at their Mayan sign is a whole hell of alot easier.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23751660 - 10/19/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh this reminds me of the one time I ever really made anyone uncomfortable doing this. I'd literally just met the dude and we were talking about the Mayan when I looked up his sign and gave him the insight. He got freaked out so I tried to go further and explain it but that only freaked him out more. I felt right bad about that. Dude actually acted like I was stalking him or something.
 So... These days I'm a little less eager to "give insight" on people I don't know real well.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#23751703 - 10/19/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL. Sorry about that dude Cookie! Haha I've gotten that too sometimes and frankly told them "Dude, I astrology stalk everyone.'
Which Mayan sign thing you were looking at? I only found the one that only gives you like a short paragraph about it. There's this other type of Mayan astrology. This Dreamspell one that is very interesting as well. I remember there being a thread about it years ago and I had the same on as Shroomism.
@Apollop - Yep, what Cookies said. It's such a basic thing really, like what sports team you like. There's so much information that you can get and that most people understand about astrology that is very vague. Like basic characteristics that most people can have as well as that monthly/weekly astrology stuff. To me, you can just really over analyze and assume alot about people just based off of their sun sign.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Apollop]
#23751955 - 10/19/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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pachoo said: And you can hardly do much with a sun sign anywho
elaborate?
I already told you, one placement is not indicative of an entire personality, just as the stars are innumerable so is a personality, so choosing to use one facet of a personality to base your game off of is short sighted, but you don't know what you don't know, so there's no way to force feed you an understanding of what everybody is saying here
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: pachoo]
#23752180 - 10/19/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use a chart or website to search someones Mayan Galactic Signature using their full birth date and then use the dreamspells website to get the whole deal, their compliment, subconscious self, higher self, shadows and lights. I personally like it because it's super simple while deep and as complex as a human being is. Ime if you understand it well enough you can see when someone is acting in their signature sign, in shadow or light, or their higher self. It is alot more spiritual than the western zodiac and hasn't been half as corrupted by silly teenage girls.
I can pop some links when I get home if you'd like.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23752627 - 10/19/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh yep I know exactly what you are talking about. Haha I am Yellow Spectral Star in it. I think I posted a thread about it in like...2012 or something haha. That one is extremely thorough to me and pretty cool.
Wanna astrology stalk each other Cookie?
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#23753011 - 10/19/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hell yeah! I'm a Red Galactic Earth
I like your galactic meditation
"I dissolve in order to beautify Releasing art I seal the store of elegance With the spectral tone of liberation I am guided by my own power doubled"

mines:
"I harmonize in order to evolve Modeling synchronicity I seal the matrix of navigation With the galactic tone of integrity I am guided by the power of birth"
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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I had this book for a while, lost it through moves though, or probably let someone borrow it and never got it back. Shit was spooky though because of how accurate it was.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23753587 - 10/19/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think this is the website you're talking about right?
http://mayankin.com/dreamspell/
aha I never heard of mayan astrology before
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Blue Crystal Eagle I Dedicate in order to Create Universalizing Mind I seal the Output of Vision With the Crystal tone of Cooperation I am guided by the power of Accomplishment I am a galactic activation portal enter me.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23753968 - 10/20/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I use a chart or website to search someones Mayan Galactic Signature using their full birth date and then use the dreamspells website to get the whole deal, their compliment, subconscious self, higher self, shadows and lights. I personally like it because it's super simple while deep and as complex as a human being is. Ime if you understand it well enough you can see when someone is acting in their signature sign, in shadow or light, or their higher self. It is alot more spiritual than the western zodiac and hasn't been half as corrupted by silly teenage girls.
I can pop some links when I get home if you'd like.
please do!
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pachoo said: Wanna astrology stalk each other Cookie?
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You should start an astrology stalking thread.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23754327 - 10/20/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh hollllllaaaaa! You know what I have to check something now... I think I know a Red Galactic someone too! (after checking... yep he is Red Galactic Moon!) It's amazing how in depth those things get. Haha I'm gonna get to astrology stalking yours now. Heehee
@Joke - I really really should!!! I honestly don't mind putting my entire western astrology chart up or anything.... along with both Mayan astrological information.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: pachoo] 1
#23754498 - 10/20/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's been a handful of astrology threads. Most of them die out because people tend to think of zodiac as the silly mainstream horoscopes mess of these days. Or people just plain aren't interested.
This is the website I look at to look up a signature and a brief description http://www.icandosomething.com/mayancalendar/
And then this one to look up the associated signs and in depth description.
http://www.astrodreamadvisor.com/free_mayan_readings.html
I tend to find myself around alot of Moons and Blues and Whites. Strange. I especially like the first one because it helps people understand how to "tune" themselves to be happy in life.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23787717 - 10/31/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The rationalist in me has no doubt that there is nothing of merit regarding astrology, especially considering precession. However, being out and about meeting people over the years has given me no less than 4 encounters in which women, after a short period of conversation (perhaps 15-20 minutes), suddenly and confidently state "You're a Gemini aren't you!" In fact, those are the only times the Zodiac has ever come up in a 1st meeting scenario with someone. And they were 100% right in their deductions.
My rationalist knows this proves nothing but I've always found it interesting.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: HagbardCeline]
#23805089 - 11/05/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The belief that some orientation of stars at the time of your birth influences you in any possible is silly, and irrational.
The stars are millions of light years away, and could not give a fuck about you, and what day you were born on.
So OP, do whatever makes you feel happy.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: deadwk]
#23806105 - 11/06/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe it's nothing to do with the stars at all, but more with the time and place you were born, period. fact is: you don't know if anything is occurring in this sense...that's why this is a belief system. so far, it seems to hold up to most people's scrutiny. you have to really do a study on the personalities of people according to their signs, and really do rigorous research just to prove that the accuracy of HOROSCOPES are no greater than chance...if someone's horoscope (in relation to natal astrology, is just bogus; see what i did there?) can match CHANCE (50/50)...that goes to show that there is more to the concept than meets the eye. if it was all just random made up bullshit, it wouldn't even approach that level of consistency. now this sort of divination might not being totally accurate representations of reality, but they certainly hold up to scrutiny as having a basis in psychology, at the very least. seeing as things seem to indeed match up, with people, personality wise. almost invariably.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: deadwk] 3
#23806283 - 11/06/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, everything exerts a force of gravity upon space, celestial bodies being the things with the most massive gravitational fields of which we are aware.
It's possible that, depending on when you were born, you were exposed to subtle variations of the cosmic environment, depending mainly on gravity and light. I have no idea how much this could actually effect a person, but it might be more significant than you're giving credit for.
The alignment of the stars is just a way of marking time. There were other factors at play too, like the position of the planets and the relation of the earth to the sun and moon.
I know from experience that on a full moon I feel much more charged than usual, often having erroneous and chaotic thoughts and feelings. The word lunacy was even used in british courts to lessen the sentences for crimes committed on a full moon. That's just one example of how celestial bodies have direct influences on our lives.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23807188 - 11/06/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting too. I've also noticed the full moon presence making people a bit more.... errr passionate with emotions during this time. Haha Looking scientifically at it I have wondered for a long time now if it's the moon's pull on our water compositions like with oceanic tides.
While some horoscopes based solely on your sun sign suggests some characteristics of your personality to ring true, I also mostly believe it is the persons upbringing and situational circumstances that gives them their personality rather than any sun sign.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: pachoo]
#23807252 - 11/06/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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For sure, I mean our characters are multifaceted. It's not as if we could solely be described as "headstrong or "mysterious and emotional", which is typically the extent of zodiac traits. Things like our upbringing and environment are the things that form our subtle, subconscious patterns in life. The zodiac assessment is more like the prototypical character with which we are born into the world, like a mythological equivalency to genetics. it's pretty complicated though, I think a lot of it is based on whether or not you want to believe in it, at least as far as the 'zodiac' signs are described. It does make total sense to me that everything about our birth and upbringing, including how, when and where we were born ( including under which stars ) would influence who we are.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23807457 - 11/06/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Science has found nothing to support those beliefs/claims. Anecdotal evidence, and belief in a system, does not make it true. Zodiac traits are so open ended that you could make them almost fit anyone. Same with horoscopes, they are so open ended that one can interpret them to fit whatever is going on in their life.
The thing with horoscopes, and zodiac signs is that people who believe in it are loaded with confirmation bias.
There is 0 empirical evidence supporting zodiac signs, and horoscopes that is done through quality research standards and has been peer-reviewed.
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pachoo said: Interesting too. I've also noticed the full moon presence making people a bit more.... errr passionate with emotions during this time.
Great example of confirmation bias as well as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: deadwk]
#23807560 - 11/06/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm just speaking from experience in regards to the moon. There are plenty of things which scientific experimentation has yet to explore and verify or discredit. I can't wait for scientific experiments to validate everything I think about life.
but, hypothetically, you could do a study on character traits, and cross-reference them with the sign under which people were born to see if a statistical correlation exists. From there, you would be hard pressed to prove whether or not that correlation actually means anything, or how it comes to be that people born under the same sign tend to have similar outstanding character traits, but it would be a start.
The theories I'm coming up with are pretty crazy though, like it's not even really about the effect that the stars have over us, but more like star signs are just ways of telling the season or time in which someone was born, and that predominant character traits manifest due to genetics, which have cyclical patterns of occurrences in humanity, thus being predictable based on time, or the stars. I dunno...
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: deadwk]
#23807700 - 11/06/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't feel really up to a detailed response but I wanted to reply to your stance and I agree on most of it. So I shall keep it as simple as possible with a genuine....
"Ok."
Perhaps in the future some of what we are discussing might be proven by science or already has and we just don't have the information on hand.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: pachoo]
#23807775 - 11/06/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Id post my own Star Shine. But I have already had people (even loved ones) take advantage of those sort of things. ~bunny
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: littleton] 1
#23810089 - 11/07/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not entirely sure what it is about astrology that effects the development of a person's personality. But there is evidence, scientific evidence, that the phases of the moon do effect peoples personalities.
Solar energy is powerful stuff. Powerful enough that it would straight kill us if it weren't for the ozone layer in our atmosphere. All those stars are suns. The moon is a reflection of the sun. Possibly maybe it is the solar energy that influences people. The gravity may play a part to, but it may not. The planets too reflect sunlight. And there is also scientific evidence that the sunlight, or lack thereof, also effects people. So that's my theory. Hippie voodoo with a touch of science is the way to go imo.
And I totally realized zombie dude said lunar energy and lunatics being hokey pokey. I have no repute. Autism has also increased as GMO and pesticides and technology have increased. It's hard to say for sure that toxins have not played a part in it... But if you don't want to believe it you won't. If you do you will. That's all there really is to it.
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#23810595 - 11/07/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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plus, constructs of mythology denoting emotional/personal/constructual/ect concepts through centuries of human endeavor is just interesting.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23811281 - 11/07/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I'm not entirely sure what it is about astrology that effects the development of a person's personality.
Ill tell you something, But not today.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: littleton]
#23813027 - 11/08/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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But I did tell you something. I gave you a good chunk of my specific theory.
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