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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23787717 - 10/31/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The rationalist in me has no doubt that there is nothing of merit regarding astrology, especially considering precession. However, being out and about meeting people over the years has given me no less than 4 encounters in which women, after a short period of conversation (perhaps 15-20 minutes), suddenly and confidently state "You're a Gemini aren't you!" In fact, those are the only times the Zodiac has ever come up in a 1st meeting scenario with someone. And they were 100% right in their deductions.
My rationalist knows this proves nothing but I've always found it interesting.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: HagbardCeline]
#23805089 - 11/05/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The belief that some orientation of stars at the time of your birth influences you in any possible is silly, and irrational.
The stars are millions of light years away, and could not give a fuck about you, and what day you were born on.
So OP, do whatever makes you feel happy.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: deadwk]
#23806105 - 11/06/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe it's nothing to do with the stars at all, but more with the time and place you were born, period. fact is: you don't know if anything is occurring in this sense...that's why this is a belief system. so far, it seems to hold up to most people's scrutiny. you have to really do a study on the personalities of people according to their signs, and really do rigorous research just to prove that the accuracy of HOROSCOPES are no greater than chance...if someone's horoscope (in relation to natal astrology, is just bogus; see what i did there?) can match CHANCE (50/50)...that goes to show that there is more to the concept than meets the eye. if it was all just random made up bullshit, it wouldn't even approach that level of consistency. now this sort of divination might not being totally accurate representations of reality, but they certainly hold up to scrutiny as having a basis in psychology, at the very least. seeing as things seem to indeed match up, with people, personality wise. almost invariably.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: deadwk] 3
#23806283 - 11/06/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, everything exerts a force of gravity upon space, celestial bodies being the things with the most massive gravitational fields of which we are aware.
It's possible that, depending on when you were born, you were exposed to subtle variations of the cosmic environment, depending mainly on gravity and light. I have no idea how much this could actually effect a person, but it might be more significant than you're giving credit for.
The alignment of the stars is just a way of marking time. There were other factors at play too, like the position of the planets and the relation of the earth to the sun and moon.
I know from experience that on a full moon I feel much more charged than usual, often having erroneous and chaotic thoughts and feelings. The word lunacy was even used in british courts to lessen the sentences for crimes committed on a full moon. That's just one example of how celestial bodies have direct influences on our lives.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23807188 - 11/06/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting too. I've also noticed the full moon presence making people a bit more.... errr passionate with emotions during this time. Haha Looking scientifically at it I have wondered for a long time now if it's the moon's pull on our water compositions like with oceanic tides.
While some horoscopes based solely on your sun sign suggests some characteristics of your personality to ring true, I also mostly believe it is the persons upbringing and situational circumstances that gives them their personality rather than any sun sign.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: pachoo]
#23807252 - 11/06/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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For sure, I mean our characters are multifaceted. It's not as if we could solely be described as "headstrong or "mysterious and emotional", which is typically the extent of zodiac traits. Things like our upbringing and environment are the things that form our subtle, subconscious patterns in life. The zodiac assessment is more like the prototypical character with which we are born into the world, like a mythological equivalency to genetics. it's pretty complicated though, I think a lot of it is based on whether or not you want to believe in it, at least as far as the 'zodiac' signs are described. It does make total sense to me that everything about our birth and upbringing, including how, when and where we were born ( including under which stars ) would influence who we are.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23807457 - 11/06/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Science has found nothing to support those beliefs/claims. Anecdotal evidence, and belief in a system, does not make it true. Zodiac traits are so open ended that you could make them almost fit anyone. Same with horoscopes, they are so open ended that one can interpret them to fit whatever is going on in their life.
The thing with horoscopes, and zodiac signs is that people who believe in it are loaded with confirmation bias.
There is 0 empirical evidence supporting zodiac signs, and horoscopes that is done through quality research standards and has been peer-reviewed.
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pachoo said: Interesting too. I've also noticed the full moon presence making people a bit more.... errr passionate with emotions during this time.
Great example of confirmation bias as well as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: deadwk]
#23807560 - 11/06/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm just speaking from experience in regards to the moon. There are plenty of things which scientific experimentation has yet to explore and verify or discredit. I can't wait for scientific experiments to validate everything I think about life.
but, hypothetically, you could do a study on character traits, and cross-reference them with the sign under which people were born to see if a statistical correlation exists. From there, you would be hard pressed to prove whether or not that correlation actually means anything, or how it comes to be that people born under the same sign tend to have similar outstanding character traits, but it would be a start.
The theories I'm coming up with are pretty crazy though, like it's not even really about the effect that the stars have over us, but more like star signs are just ways of telling the season or time in which someone was born, and that predominant character traits manifest due to genetics, which have cyclical patterns of occurrences in humanity, thus being predictable based on time, or the stars. I dunno...
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: deadwk]
#23807700 - 11/06/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't feel really up to a detailed response but I wanted to reply to your stance and I agree on most of it. So I shall keep it as simple as possible with a genuine....
"Ok."
Perhaps in the future some of what we are discussing might be proven by science or already has and we just don't have the information on hand.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: pachoo]
#23807775 - 11/06/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Id post my own Star Shine. But I have already had people (even loved ones) take advantage of those sort of things. ~bunny
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: littleton] 1
#23810089 - 11/07/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not entirely sure what it is about astrology that effects the development of a person's personality. But there is evidence, scientific evidence, that the phases of the moon do effect peoples personalities.
Solar energy is powerful stuff. Powerful enough that it would straight kill us if it weren't for the ozone layer in our atmosphere. All those stars are suns. The moon is a reflection of the sun. Possibly maybe it is the solar energy that influences people. The gravity may play a part to, but it may not. The planets too reflect sunlight. And there is also scientific evidence that the sunlight, or lack thereof, also effects people. So that's my theory. Hippie voodoo with a touch of science is the way to go imo.
And I totally realized zombie dude said lunar energy and lunatics being hokey pokey. I have no repute. Autism has also increased as GMO and pesticides and technology have increased. It's hard to say for sure that toxins have not played a part in it... But if you don't want to believe it you won't. If you do you will. That's all there really is to it.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: pachoo] 1
#23810595 - 11/07/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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plus, constructs of mythology denoting emotional/personal/constructual/ect concepts through centuries of human endeavor is just interesting.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23811281 - 11/07/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I'm not entirely sure what it is about astrology that effects the development of a person's personality.
Ill tell you something, But not today.
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Re: Is Acting on Someone's Star Sign Considered Manipulation? [Re: littleton]
#23813027 - 11/08/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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But I did tell you something. I gave you a good chunk of my specific theory.
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