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Almost certain I've found BIG LAUGHING GYMS. Identification help needed por favor
    #23748623 - 10/18/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I believe these to be junonius/spectabilis but am not sure and am new to mushroom hunting. I am interested to know what these are, and if they are in fact active gyms what kind of dosage/preparation/gardening i need to do to these to make sure they are in fact potent. Ive heard varied reports on the effectiveness of gyms.

I am almost 100% positive these are not omphalotas, pholiotas, tricholomophsis, galerinas, or armillarias. I have not in my research found any more BLG look alike

Habitat:
Semi-damp wooded grounds, many fallen trees, rotting stumps and the like. Prime gym habitat from what I've read. Found growing in a small clump, and a foot or two away a few individuals were sprouting.

Location: NW New Jersey, specifically Hunterdon County, specifically the ken lockwood gorge.

Gills:
same color as the cap, yellow/brown/orange with a slightly darker tint. Decent sized, not particularly small gills. Some of the gills are still attached to the stem, some have broken off.

Stipe:
3-4cm, same color as the cap with a slightly lighter tone. slightly bulbous towards the bottom with the majority of the stem being about 1cm wide. The bulbous end is solid but as the stem goes up it becomes hollow. Small ring just under the cap maybe .75cm from where the gills start.

Cap:
Avg Diameter of 4cm, slightly yellow/brown light colored flesh. Top of the mushroom feels fairly smooth with some mildly hair like texture. It appears a very small animal has taken quite a few bites out of the top of it. Pics do a better job on the cap than i do.
Some of the caps were beginning to flatten out a bit though most resembled what I've got pictured below.

Spore print color:
From what has come off on my fingers, and what has been left on the caps sitting underneath other caps, it is a rusty orange brown. Almost a perfect rust color. Letting one of the caps sit to print on a paper towel as i write this.

Bruising:
Having just picked a few hours ago and them being (apparently) young fruiting bodies, I have not seen much if any bruising. One of the specimens i picked has an ever so slightly green tint towards the top of the stem directly underneath the gills and above the ring.

Other information:
The mushroom smells slightly green, slightly earthy. Much stronger smelling when dampened. For the most part it smells like what mushrooms smell like. Not quite vegetables, not quite sweet fruit. Just mushroomey.......

I am planning on pouring some water on the patch I found to see if I can get any more growth and maturity as I am not positive that these are adult bodies yet.

Temps have ranged from 40 F at night to 80F during the daytime in the past week. Mildly wet, a lot of dew, a lot of fog. Have been keeping my eyes trained on the same few patches of woods and these appear to be new growth i haven't seen in the past month.

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Re: almost CERTAIN I've found GYMNOPILUS j./l./s/ need ID help por favor [Re: ch3ckyourmirrors]
    #23748703 - 10/18/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Cortinarius sp.


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Re: almost CERTAIN I've found GYMNOPILUS j./l./s/ need ID help por favor [Re: mountainplayer]
    #23748733 - 10/18/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So I do not believe these to be cortinarius speciosissimus for a few reasons.

#1 corts don't have the ring around the top of the stem like these did

#2 corts are much darker orangey brown. These(without spore dust being on the cap) are a much more yellowish brown than a dark orange.

#3 corts gills seem to be a bit larger and more spaced out than the gills on mine, and look like they continue slightly down the stem

4# corts have a much smoother cap appearance, and none of these had that little circus tent like protrusion on the top center of the cap.

#5 corts seem to have a brindle like coloring that contrasts between light and dark all the way up the stem. mine are much more consistent in coloration and pattern.

I could be totally wrong, but from what I've read and seen of cortinarius sp. i really don't believe these are those


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Re: almost CERTAIN I've found GYMNOPILUS j./l./s/ need ID help por favor [Re: ch3ckyourmirrors]
    #23748743 - 10/18/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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mountainplayer said:
Cortinarius sp.




The "sp." means it is a species in that super-genus. He's right.


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Re: almost CERTAIN I've found GYMNOPILUS j./l./s/ need ID help por favor [Re: Joie]
    #23748872 - 10/18/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

ah. I see. am certainly a noob if that isn't apparent yet but I'm trying.

so do you think these could be c. semisanguineus? I believe theres 2000 or so types that fall under cortinarius. So i know it would be kind of tough to get specific. But even if these are not active i am certainly interested in finding out what exactly these are.

Im making an effort to note my mushroom hunting is not limited to actives though i would be happiest finding some.

i still am wondering if he is correct however... What specific traits make these cortinarius as opposed to gymnopilus?
Specific information like that would help me greatly in my search, and id be interested to know. I have spent some time since he mentioned what he thinks these are looking at various types of cortinarius but none of them seem to be congruent with the traits of what I've found.

Im not challenging anyone here I'm just trying hard to learn

edit: cortinarius also seem to have an almost perfectly rounded cap that tucks in to the gills around the edges. Not all of the ones I found do exactly that. The pictures i posted do, but that wasn't consistent. does that mean anything in the realm of IDing or is that just me?

edit2: i think these could be c. olearioides. none of the other cortinarius species I've been checking out look like they could be what i have here. heres a list of some that I've gone through...
Cortinarius alboviolaceus
Cortinarius anomalus
Cortinarius armillatus
Cortinarius azureus
Cortinarius bolaris
Cortinarius caesiocanescens
Cortinarius caperatus
Cortinarius collinitus
Cortinarius corrugatus
Cortinarius croceus
Cortinarius distans
Cortinarius elegantio-montanus
Cortinarius glaucopus
Cortinarius "hesleri"
Cortinarius infractus
Cortinarius iodeoides
Cortinarius iodes
Cortinarius malicorius
Cortinarius "marylandensis"
Cortinarius mucosus
Cortinarius multiformis
Cortinarius olearioides
Cortinarius ophiopus
Cortinarius phoeniceus var. occidentalis
Cortinarius pinguis
Cortinarius privignoides
Cortinarius rubripes
Cortinarius semisanguineus
Cortinarius subpulchrifolius
Cortinarius torvus
Cortinarius trivialis
Cortinarius vanduzerensis
Cortinarius vibratilis
Cortinarius violaceus


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Re: almost CERTAIN I've found GYMNOPILUS j./l./s/ need ID help por favor [Re: ch3ckyourmirrors]
    #23748987 - 10/18/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Subgenus Myxacium for the smoothish stem pattern and the general demeanour. It might be Cortinarius delibutus but I don't know all your local options.


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Re: almost CERTAIN I've found GYMNOPILUS j./l./s/ need ID help por favor [Re: ch3ckyourmirrors]
    #23749050 - 10/18/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

ch3ckyourmirrors said:

i still am wondering if he is correct however... What specific traits make these cortinarius as opposed to gymnopilus?




One clue is that there are bits of earth around the base of the stem, suggesting it grew from earth. Gyms grow directly from wood.


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Re: almost CERTAIN I've found GYMNOPILUS j./l./s/ need ID help por favor [Re: jakefake]
    #23749135 - 10/18/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

this is a nugget of gold i didn't even consider. thank you kindly, i will remember to check that specific trait out next time before i post.

and thank you as well, Joie. Regardless if todays active search was fruitful or not, I've gained valuable knowledge for next time to make sure i find what I'm looking for.


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Re: almost CERTAIN I've found GYMNOPILUS j./l./s/ need ID help por favor [Re: Joie]
    #23749144 - 10/18/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the lack of slime combined with the early morning time i found these(meaning there was dew out, they definitely weren't super dry) makes me think they are not myxacium. I am at this point convinced they are cortinarius but still not completely congruent with any specific one. When i get some more time I'm going to try and ID these specifically, ill report back here eventually if i do find success. thanks again


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Re: almost CERTAIN I've found GYMNOPILUS j./l./s/ need ID help por favor [Re: ch3ckyourmirrors]
    #23749153 - 10/18/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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ch3ckyourmirrors said:
I am at this point convinced they are cortinarius but still not completely congruent with any specific one.




This is usually the feeling I have when trying to identify a Cortinarius.


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