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Common misunderstandings of spirituality
#23748203 - 10/18/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I want to briefly address and correct some common myths or misunderstandings about spirituality.

1. Spirituality is irrational or illogical.
Truth: There is an enormous amount of scientific evidence that spiritual practices such as meditation and yoga have definite mental and physical health benefits.
For example, meditation induces actual positive physical changes in the structure of the brain, and yoga greatly increases levels of GABA in the brain, resulting in deep relaxation and stress relief.
Meditators and Yoga practitioners enjoy better health and well being.
The proof of the benefits is scientific and factual. Therefore, there is nothing irrational or illogical about a lifestyle based on practices with proven benefits.

2. Spirituality means you never get angry , never express anger , are a pacifist or never fight.
Truth: Jesus himself flew into a rage, overturning tables and lashing merchants with a rope and often spoke harshly and disparagingly of the religious authorities of his day. He was highly and vocally critical of those he saw as religious hypocrites.
He even smited a fig tree and cursed it for not having any figs.
Jesus said he came not with peace but a sword.
Likewise in the Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna himself reveals his divine form to Arjuna and charges him to steady his heart and make war against his enemies.
The Sikhs are among the most spiritual of people and they are a warrior religion who together form the Khalsa or Army of the faithful. They are legendary soldiers and warriors.
Martial arts is itself a form of spirituality, and martial arts and meditation are two sides of the same coin.

3. Spirituality means sobriety. Spirituality means not using drugs .
Truth: There is not a single verse in the bible commanding people abstain from drugs and alcohol. In fact there are verses that specifically advise people to drink alcohol.
Jesus himself created wine for people to drink and was Notorious for drinking with sinners.
There is no scriptural basis for thinking that drugs are in any way against God's teaching. Drinking wine in remembrance of Christ is the core sacrament of modern Christian spirituality.
Ancient Hindus practiced a form of psychedelic spirituality based on the mysterious soma.
Modern Hindus smoke cannabis in massive quantities while meditating and doing yoga , seeing it as sacred to Shiva.
Psychedelic plant shamanism based on natural drugs is at the core of many indigenous spiritual traditions including those around ayahuasca and peyote.
Drugs are on many levels a fundamental part of spirituality, from cannabis smoking Rastafarians and Shiva worshiping yogis to ayahuasca and peyote shamans to the red wine of communion, drugs are intimately and inextricably intertwined with spirituality.
That concludes this entry, I may add more to the thread in time.
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Edited by Moonshoe (10/18/16 08:33 AM)
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23748285 - 10/18/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can i get stuck in a trip if i trip a lot?
Thats my only question as of now
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23748308 - 10/18/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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My understanding is that yes, that can happen.
If there is an underlying mental illness tripping or dissociative drugs can send you on a long journey.
Ketamine put me in an altered state for like 3 weeks once.
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23748364 - 10/18/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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1 line of MXE cured my depression for a few weeks
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23748395 - 10/18/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: My understanding is that yes, that can happen.
If there is an underlying mental illness tripping or dissociative drugs can send you on a long journey.
Ketamine put me in an altered state for like 3 weeks once.
So does this mean i can never trip without paranoia again?
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23748400 - 10/18/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ketamine is the most effective antidepressant therapy for many people .
They are starting to administer it medically in the USA which is fantastic news.
SSRI therapy has largely failed. Dissociative treatments are drastically more promising.
I wish I could get some Ketamine or mxe for a monthly treatment.
Marvelous stuff.
I have mementine and hopefully the microdose of that I take has similar benefits.
The afterglow front dissociative is wonderful.
And unlike SSRIS you don't need to take them daily and become physically addicted nor does Ketamine flatten your moods the same way SSRIs do .
My friend recently finished his thesis on SSRIS and they really are an abysmal class of medications.
Not only do scientists not understand how they work, they perform barely better than placebo and have tons of side effects Including suicidal and homicidal behaviors.
Ketamine is a quantum leap forward in the treatment of depression.
I will be attempting to access the treatment myself asap .
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23748403 - 10/18/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anxiety and paranoia are very common parts of the psychedelic experience and if you aren't comfortable with them you might want to take a break from psychedelics or at least keep your doses low and stick to the gentlest psychedelics in the most calm and Co. Costing set and setting possible.
Having a benzo on hand can be reassuring.
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23748545 - 10/18/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Anxiety and paranoia are very common parts of the psychedelic experience and if you aren't comfortable with them you might want to take a break from psychedelics or at least keep your doses low and stick to the gentlest psychedelics in the most calm and Co. Costing set and setting possible.
Having a benzo on hand can be reassuring.
Thanks moonshoe
and yeah, i have thorazine for that now so i dont need benzos. im not going to trip for atleast 6 more months or my birthday which is may 6th...so now im working towards having a good birthday in which hopefully ill jack off and eat acid. Thats my aim but if they dont let me then fine. All i know is, is that i love dmt, mushrooms, and acid
But i love my family most. Including the shroomery
you guys always pick me up..for that ill always be grateful
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23748582 - 10/18/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dmt is my favorite psychedelic because there is no nausea and the shorter duration is reassuring.
Maybe try testing the psychedelic waters with a few microdoses to see how you react.
Did you make a thread describing your psychotic episodes ?
I would like to read it.
Best wishes friend !
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe] 3
#23748597 - 10/18/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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this shit is 100% lit fam, my third eye is woke and thanks to your corrections my spirituality is on fleek.
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: falsereality]
#23748688 - 10/18/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stay woke! 
But pray tell, what is fleek?
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23748791 - 10/18/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said:

Dmt is my favorite psychedelic because there is no nausea and the shorter duration is reassuring.
Maybe try testing the psychedelic waters with a few microdoses to see how you react.
Did you make a thread describing your psychotic episodes ?
I would like to read it.
Best wishes friend ! 
Oh man i wouldnt even know where to start. The past few weeks has been nothing but pure synchronicity and im sure you know how indescribable that is. But who knows maybe ill come up with something.
At the moment im focused on my nuts cause they feel swollen so im praying to God i dont have anything serious like cancer. Im being buried alive in appointments as well. Everything feels like its coming together but i dont want to jinx it because i know "they" could take it all away and send me and my bags packing whenever they want
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23748797 - 10/18/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Stay woke! 
But pray tell, what is fleek?
Say someone says "her eyebrows are on fleek" it meanns the eyebrows are " on point " or " perfect "
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23748800 - 10/18/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know that feeling of non stop synchronicity very well.
Enjoy, get lots of sleep and try to stay grounded.
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23748830 - 10/18/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: I know that feeling of non stop synchronicity very well.
Enjoy, get lots of sleep and try to stay grounded.
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Sanguin3]
#23749260 - 10/18/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is nothing in the bible that implies drug use is a sin directly or indirectly.
Having read the entire bible word for word it's extremely clear that God is not in any any way opposed to drug use in itself.
More to the point spirituality is fundamentally about achieving elevated states of consciousness.
This has been achieved through many methods including dancing, drumming, chanting, fasting etc.
Drugs have always been one of the core methods of inducing spiritual states of consciousness.
The use of drugs as sacraments is at the heart of spirituality.
Not all drug use is conducive to spiritual growth of course.
But all around the world spiritual goals are pursued through sacramental drug use.
Indigenous traditions of psychedelic plant shamanism are the prime examples , such as the modern spread of ayahuasca ceremonies around the world .
The point is not that all drug use is necessarily spiritual or wise.
The point is simply that sobriety and abstinence are not inherently more spiritual and the use of drugs has been part of many spiritual paths all around the world and all through history .
The idea that Christianity in particular means abstinence from drugs and alcohol has no scriptural basis whatsoever.
Essential to the spiritual use of drugs is the intention to use them in a sacramental spirit and within a ceremonial and ritual context.
And of course "by their fruits you shall know them"
We Can see easily that some drugs bear evil fruit and those drugs are not fitting choices for spiritual use .
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23749332 - 10/18/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can you address the following?
One cannot be truly spiritual without being religious.
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: howl]
#23749362 - 10/18/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Religion basically refers to spirituality that has ossified into dogma.
Religion has to do with rules and doctrines and is based on blind obedience.
Spirituality is the living experience. Spirituality is based on personal experience with elevated states of consciousness.
Spirituality doesn't ask you to take anything on blind faith. It simply encourages you to begin the spiritual practice and observe the results for yourself.
Religions are more about group identity. What team you are on.
Spirituality is about the lived experience.
Mysticism, awakening, transcendence.
Spirituality is compassion, wisdom and love .
To the extent that religion expresses these values , follow it. But as soon as a religion or a part of it diverges from compassion, Wisdom and love, cast it aside and return to the spiritual path .
If one lives from a place of compassion, wisdom and love, one is living spiritually, whether within a religion or independent of one.
What matters in spirituality is the spiritual practice or discipline and the states of consciousness that the practice cultivates.
Religion can be either a help or a hindrance to true spirituality.
As long as you hold to compassion, wisdom and love you are on a true spiritual path.
And always remember that the only true spirituality is the one that you experience for yourself.
Spirituality must be a lived experience and a state of consciousness beside which the mundane state of consciousness is pale and dull.
The fruits of spirituality are inner peace and joy.
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: howl]
#23749388 - 10/18/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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howl said: Can you address the following?
One cannot be truly spiritual without being religious.
That is like saying one cannot truly be political without being a republican or a democrat
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#23749395 - 10/18/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Woah, your like a level 89 chakra shaman. Tell me more about how I need to start eating paleo, pounding weights, and od'ing on strange research chemicals so I dont burn in the fiery pits of hell for all of eternity.
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#23749398 - 10/18/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like you have a pretty good grasp of the basics.
Now get to it!
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23749439 - 10/18/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Religion basically refers to spirituality that has ossified into dogma.
Religion has to do with rules and doctrines and is based on blind obedience.
Spirituality is the living experience. Spirituality is based on personal experience with elevated states of consciousness.
Spirituality doesn't ask you to take anything on blind faith. It simply encourages you to begin the spiritual practice and observe the results for yourself.
Religions are more about group identity. What team you are on.
Spirituality is about the lived experience.
Mysticism, awakening, transcendence.
Spirituality is compassion, wisdom and love .
To the extent that religion expresses these values , follow it. But as soon as a religion or a part of it diverges from compassion, Wisdom and love, cast it aside and return to the spiritual path .
If one lives from a place of compassion, wisdom and love, one is living spiritually, whether within a religion or independent of one.
What matters in spirituality is the spiritual practice or discipline and the states of consciousness that the practice cultivates.
Religion can be either a help or a hindrance to true spirituality.
As long as you hold to compassion, wisdom and love you are on a true spiritual path.
And always remember that the only true spirituality is the one that you experience for yourself.
Spirituality must be a lived experience and a state of consciousness beside which the mundane state of consciousness is pale and dull.
The fruits of spirituality are inner peace and joy.
Someone once told me that since you light weed on fire for its effects means it is wrong to smoke
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Sanguin3]
#23749502 - 10/18/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have to remember the Bible is Mans interpretation of gods word allegedly and has been revised many times over the years.
The only anti drug quotes I am aware of are more against intoxication then drug use and like you said are generally about alcohol.
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The bible does pretty clearly say to obey the laws of your land unless it directly conflicts with what god says.
That is clearly something some king added to try and better control his subjects, but notice the last part.
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Sanguin3]
#23749600 - 10/18/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't agree that any verses of the bible Argue against drug use even indirectly.
The bible lays out in minute detail everything that is forbidden in the book of leviticus.
It even specifies that you should not wear clothes of mixed fibres for example, and tells you how to bury your excrement.
The fact that there is not one single prohibition about drugs or Intoxicants in the book of the bible where all such rules and prohibitions are located makes it perfectly clear that these things were not forbidden whatsoever.
The verse saying be of sober mind has nothing to do with not being on drugs. This is clear as Jesus himself made wine for people, drank wine with people and commanded people to drink wine in his memory.
What sober mind means in that context is "serious, sensible, solemn" as opposed to glib, frivolous, silly.
It has nothing to do with abstention from drugs.
The bible clearly states that all the plants and herbs and seeds and fruits are given to us for our use.
The bible does not outline everything that Is permitted to do.
Instead it outlines what is not permitted, what is forbidden.
So the fact that the bible nowhere specifically says we should smoke weed in no way means we can't do so.
The bible doesn't make a list of everything we can or even should do, it makes explicit what is forbidden and anything not forbidden is lawful to do.
As for obeying the laws , Jesus himself broke the laws of his people and of his time.
He was repeatedly accused by the religious authorities for what they saw as transgressions against their laws. For example , they wanted to condemn him as a lawbreaker for healing people on the sabbath.
Jesus' message and example was not one of blind obedience to authority.
He was a radical , a reformer, a revolutionary and a law breaker.
The bible is not the infallible word of God.
It is one of many records of the long journey of God - believing humans through history.
Like all scriptures it contains much that is beautiful, much that is wise and much that is valuable.
It also contains enormous amounts of nonsense, evil, madness and atrocity.
Look within the bible and all other scriptures for that which resonates with compassion, wisdom and love and make that your guidance and your practice.
Whatever conflicts with those things or expresses the opposite, simply ignore .
Cast aside that which does not facilitate compassion wisdom and love as you would a garment that no longer fits.
If you look to the bible look to these words :
"Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins."
"Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God."
"Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
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