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Bodhi of Ankou
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#23749395 - 10/18/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Woah, your like a level 89 chakra shaman. Tell me more about how I need to start eating paleo, pounding weights, and od'ing on strange research chemicals so I dont burn in the fiery pits of hell for all of eternity.
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Moonshoe
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#23749398 - 10/18/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like you have a pretty good grasp of the basics.
Now get to it!
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Sanguin3
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23749439 - 10/18/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Religion basically refers to spirituality that has ossified into dogma.
Religion has to do with rules and doctrines and is based on blind obedience.
Spirituality is the living experience. Spirituality is based on personal experience with elevated states of consciousness.
Spirituality doesn't ask you to take anything on blind faith. It simply encourages you to begin the spiritual practice and observe the results for yourself.
Religions are more about group identity. What team you are on.
Spirituality is about the lived experience.
Mysticism, awakening, transcendence.
Spirituality is compassion, wisdom and love .
To the extent that religion expresses these values , follow it. But as soon as a religion or a part of it diverges from compassion, Wisdom and love, cast it aside and return to the spiritual path .
If one lives from a place of compassion, wisdom and love, one is living spiritually, whether within a religion or independent of one.
What matters in spirituality is the spiritual practice or discipline and the states of consciousness that the practice cultivates.
Religion can be either a help or a hindrance to true spirituality.
As long as you hold to compassion, wisdom and love you are on a true spiritual path.
And always remember that the only true spirituality is the one that you experience for yourself.
Spirituality must be a lived experience and a state of consciousness beside which the mundane state of consciousness is pale and dull.
The fruits of spirituality are inner peace and joy.
Someone once told me that since you light weed on fire for its effects means it is wrong to smoke
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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musiclover420
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Sanguin3]
#23749502 - 10/18/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have to remember the Bible is Mans interpretation of gods word allegedly and has been revised many times over the years.
The only anti drug quotes I am aware of are more against intoxication then drug use and like you said are generally about alcohol.
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The bible does pretty clearly say to obey the laws of your land unless it directly conflicts with what god says.
That is clearly something some king added to try and better control his subjects, but notice the last part.
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and God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed: to you it shall be for food.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Moonshoe
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Re: Common misunderstandings of spirituality [Re: Sanguin3]
#23749600 - 10/18/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't agree that any verses of the bible Argue against drug use even indirectly.
The bible lays out in minute detail everything that is forbidden in the book of leviticus.
It even specifies that you should not wear clothes of mixed fibres for example, and tells you how to bury your excrement.
The fact that there is not one single prohibition about drugs or Intoxicants in the book of the bible where all such rules and prohibitions are located makes it perfectly clear that these things were not forbidden whatsoever.
The verse saying be of sober mind has nothing to do with not being on drugs. This is clear as Jesus himself made wine for people, drank wine with people and commanded people to drink wine in his memory.
What sober mind means in that context is "serious, sensible, solemn" as opposed to glib, frivolous, silly.
It has nothing to do with abstention from drugs.
The bible clearly states that all the plants and herbs and seeds and fruits are given to us for our use.
The bible does not outline everything that Is permitted to do.
Instead it outlines what is not permitted, what is forbidden.
So the fact that the bible nowhere specifically says we should smoke weed in no way means we can't do so.
The bible doesn't make a list of everything we can or even should do, it makes explicit what is forbidden and anything not forbidden is lawful to do.
As for obeying the laws , Jesus himself broke the laws of his people and of his time.
He was repeatedly accused by the religious authorities for what they saw as transgressions against their laws. For example , they wanted to condemn him as a lawbreaker for healing people on the sabbath.
Jesus' message and example was not one of blind obedience to authority.
He was a radical , a reformer, a revolutionary and a law breaker.
The bible is not the infallible word of God.
It is one of many records of the long journey of God - believing humans through history.
Like all scriptures it contains much that is beautiful, much that is wise and much that is valuable.
It also contains enormous amounts of nonsense, evil, madness and atrocity.
Look within the bible and all other scriptures for that which resonates with compassion, wisdom and love and make that your guidance and your practice.
Whatever conflicts with those things or expresses the opposite, simply ignore .
Cast aside that which does not facilitate compassion wisdom and love as you would a garment that no longer fits.
If you look to the bible look to these words :
"Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins."
"Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God."
"Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
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Edited by Moonshoe (10/18/16 05:52 PM)
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