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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23747220 - 10/17/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I only see two scenarios where the goal is unobtainable:

1.  People pay themselves less (highly unlikely)
2.  People cheat on their taxes (and risk jail time)

Do you see any others?  :shrug:



Politicians could forego any major spending or deficit reduction and instead reward the increased revenues to other taxpayers in the form of deduction or credits.  theoretically it could be a wash.  super unlikely though.



That's true, but if the money went to the middle class instead of the debt, that wouldn't be such a bad thing for the average American.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Great Scott] * 3
    #23747229 - 10/17/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Trickle-down economics > Trick-'em-all economics




Voodoo economics doesn't work, because benevolent captains of industry are not the engines of the economy.  Consumer demand is what drives the economy, and if consumers don't have any money, demand rapidly declines.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Great Scott] * 2
    #23747233 - 10/17/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Libs want to take over a drug message board's political sub-forum, just like libs have taken over Universities, Government, Hollywood, etc.



I'm not sure how ignoring someone is "taking over".  No one's saying HU should be banned (at least not to my knowledge).


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23747241 - 10/17/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Voodoo economics doesn't work, because benevolent captains of industry are not the engines of the economy.  Consumer demand is what drives the economy, and if consumers don't have any money, demand rapidly declines.



Such an important (and VERY easy to understand) point.  :toast:


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23747255 - 10/17/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I only see two scenarios where the goal is unobtainable:

1.  People pay themselves less (highly unlikely)
2.  People cheat on their taxes (and risk jail time)

Do you see any others?  :shrug:



Politicians could forego any major spending or deficit reduction and instead reward the increased revenues to other taxpayers in the form of deduction or credits.  theoretically it could be a wash.  super unlikely though.



That's true, but if the money went to the middle class instead of the debt, that wouldn't be such a bad thing for the average American.




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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Great Scott] * 2
    #23747270 - 10/17/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Libs want to take over a drug message board's political sub-forum, just like libs have taken over Universities, Government, Hollywood, etc.

Typical conqueror mindset. Far more sophisticated than the barbaric days of old, I'll give you that.




lol, i forgot which thread this was.  I think BBW was having a bad day.  In any event, HU is a unique individual, not necessarily representative of all conservatives, IMO. (though he does fit a certain archetype quite well)


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #23747467 - 10/17/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Wait.

So are we gonna collectively ignore HU? I'm down.




I've been ignoring him for months. All we have to do is collectively realise that it is a waste of time trying to reason with him or teach him anything, because he simply refuses to change.

You can't make gold out of shit, fellas. Let's cut our losses and never speak to or of him again.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: viktor]
    #23747504 - 10/17/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds hostile.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Great Scott] * 2
    #23747894 - 10/18/16 04:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's a hostile universe.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: viktor]
    #23748233 - 10/18/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see why everyone is so ignore-happy; I disagree with HU on a lot of things,
and sometimes he posts trollish, antagonizing stuff (as I'm sure I do from time to time)
but hardly anything bad enough to warrant using the ignore feature.

I only ignore distracting avatars and sigs haha


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Crumist] * 1
    #23748891 - 10/18/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the proposition
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Wait.

So are we gonna collectively ignore HU? I'm down.






the conclusion
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PeyoteZen said:
Reeks of elitism in here.




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Libs want to take over a drug<insert: weather, insert: wx spin off, insert: metal detecting>message board's political sub-forum, just like libs have taken over Universities, Government, Hollywood, etc.






i've seen this posted, almost verbatim, at three other political subforums at some point in the last 10 years.

unfortunately people at those forums weren't disciplined enough to not eventually reengage the ignored user.




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I don't see why everyone is so ignore-happy; I disagree with HU on a lot of things,
and sometimes he posts trollish, antagonizing stuff (as I'm sure I do from time to time)
but hardly anything bad enough to warrant using the ignore feature.

I only ignore distracting avatars and sigs haha





i can understand it.  it goes in circles and cycles and circles and gets pretty tiring for a lot of people after many years.

IME it's posters like PeyoteZen that don't get ignored no matter how different their opinion.  unless of course the poster changes their style to be more like the ignored users.

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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23749100 - 10/18/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Wait.

So are we gonna collectively ignore HU? I'm down.




I am at least

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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #23751553 - 10/19/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
Voodoo economics doesn't work, because benevolent captains of industry are not the engines of the economy.  Consumer demand is what drives the economy, and if consumers don't have any money, demand rapidly declines.



Such an important (and VERY easy to understand) point.  :toast:




This fact cannot be understated.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23751611 - 10/19/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
Voodoo economics doesn't work, because benevolent captains of industry are not the engines of the economy.  Consumer demand is what drives the economy, and if consumers don't have any money, demand rapidly declines.



Such an important (and VERY easy to understand) point.  :toast:




This fact cannot be understated.




Yeah, like it's just that simple.  Why don't African nations just give their citizens money so the can consume more? 

You do realize the consumers also have to be productive?  :lol:  Somehow Ball missed than one important detail in his rant.

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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] * 3
    #23751632 - 10/19/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, like it's just that simple.  Why don't African nations just give their citizens money so the can consume more? 

You do realize the consumers also have to be productive?  :lol:  Somehow Ball missed than one important detail in his rant.





1)I didn't suggest simply giving away money, though now that you mention it...


2)Americans are more productive than ever before.

Edited by ballsalsa (10/19/16 10:44 AM)

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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23751642 - 10/19/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Americans are more productive than ever before.




That's true and you're also correct that we have a demand problem.

Productivity gains have enabled tens of millions of US citizens not to be productive while enjoying basic needs plus more for free.

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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] * 1
    #23751890 - 10/19/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Consumer demand is what drives the economy, and if consumers don't have any money, demand rapidly declines.



Such an important (and VERY easy to understand) point.  :toast:



This fact cannot be understated.



Yeah, like it's just that simple.  Why don't African nations just give their citizens money so the can consume more? 

You do realize the consumers also have to be productive?  :lol:  Somehow Ball missed than one important detail in his rant.



No one suggested giving money away (as ballsalsa clarified in his follow-up).

If you pay people fairly, they'll be productive, no matter how much your racist brain refuses to accept that minorities can be hard working.

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Productivity gains have enabled tens of millions of US citizens not to be productive while enjoying basic needs plus more for free.



It has nothing to do with productivity gains.  It has to do with welfare policy, which hasn't gone up with productivity gains.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23751924 - 10/19/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
Consumer demand is what drives the economy, and if consumers don't have any money, demand rapidly declines.



Such an important (and VERY easy to understand) point.  :toast:



This fact cannot be understated.



Yeah, like it's just that simple.  Why don't African nations just give their citizens money so the can consume more? 

You do realize the consumers also have to be productive?  :lol:  Somehow Ball missed than one important detail in his rant.



No one suggested giving money away (as ballsalsa clarified in his follow-up).

If you pay people fairly, they'll be productive, no matter how much your racist brain refuses to accept that minorities can be hard working.

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Productivity gains have enabled tens of millions of US citizens not to be productive while enjoying basic needs plus more for free.



It has nothing to do with productivity gains.  It has to do with welfare policy, which hasn't gone up with productivity gains.




"If you pay people fairly, they'll be productive"

Not true, they could be very productive, but if there's too many people who can do the same thing, the wage will not move higher.

"It has nothing to do with productivity gains"

If you're nation isn't productive, it can NOT fund services such as welfare. :facepalm:

Why did so many socialist South American states fail to provide their social service promises?  They weren't productive enough to be able to afford that expense.

Do you think money just grows on trees?

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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] * 1
    #23751968 - 10/19/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
Why don't African nations just give their citizens money so the can consume more?

You do realize the consumers also have to be productive?



No one suggested giving money away.

If you pay people fairly, they'll be productive



Not true, they could be very productive, but if there's too many people who can do the same thing, the wage will not move higher.



Yes, it is true.  You're now making a totally different irrelevant argument.  If you paid Africans $10/hr, most would be very productive.

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Productivity gains have enabled tens of millions of US citizens not to be productive while enjoying basic needs plus more for free.



It has nothing to do with productivity gains.  It has to do with welfare policy, which hasn't gone up with productivity gains.



If you're nation isn't productive, it can NOT fund services such as welfare. :facepalm:



Once again, you're making a totally different irrelevant argument.  The claim was that welfare isn't keeping up with productivity; we already had welfare before our current productivity gains, and welfare benefits aren't going up with productivity.

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Why did so many socialist South American states fail to provide their social service promises?  They weren't productive enough to be able to afford that expense.

Do you think money just grows on trees?



Are you high right now?  Once again, you're making a totally different irrelevant argument.  No one is claiming money grows on trees.  Ballsalsa's original argument was "if consumers don't have any money, demand rapidly declines."  The Ecstatic and I strongly agreed, but you appear to be arguing.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23751983 - 10/19/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So tedious.


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