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Technology and daily life 1
#23745671 - 10/17/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Technology gives us comfort and convenience in our daily lives, but not, seemingly, lasting happiness. We adopt it and it becomes ho-hum. Looking at history, people in, say, the 1950's appear to have been happier than most are now, given economic and political circumstances. They had no cell-phones or computers, no microwave ovens, no flat-screen tv's, etc. We tend to be biased toward our own age, thinking the past could not possibly have been better. Well, it appears we have more suffering and misery today than at any point in our nation's history. Technology hasn't saved us from that.
I'm not arguing against technology at all; I have many uses for it, and, as it is a force unto itself, it will continue to develop whether anyone likes it or not.
I'm just curious as to whether anyone feels otherwise. As I pointed out, there are many indicators that Americans are not very happy (but I can't speak for the rest of the world). And we're deluged with technology. So, is it really more than a matter of comfort and convenience? Or am I wrong and it does create genuine, lasting happiness?
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I have to say that the eureka moment of creating the right technology for a problem, or of finding the right tech solution when you need one is more on the happiness side.
Acquisition of tech or anything for the sake of show or to keep up with the Joneses however is empty of satisfaction.
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I was watching this video that really was good, concise. But I linked it twice here and then deleted it because the 'answer' the videomakers gace I did not agree with and it totally undermined pre-that. it promoted idealism as an alternative to materialism. But this is not what your asking
I agree with the video that technology is a diversion/distraction away from what we have lost, and what really matter, which is a naturally deeper connection with others, including other species, and the whole natural world
Just go out now and take a look at how many people are mesmerized by the little plastic rectangle in their hand!
Only today, I was walking up one of the most wonderful magical lanes. it's near where I live. it is in a park surrounded by insane roads and insane traffic and sirens, manic manic frantic rush
So he is coming down with two dogs all full of life, and he is not into the amazing lane, the sunlight coming through the trees, the sound of wildlife. He is transfixed on his cellphone
I am seeing it all the time. Women with prams, kids, etc etc
it is this culture pushing pushing via mass media that UNLESS you have technology, and possessions and especially are rich you cannot be really happy
EVERYTHING is propaganda for that, coming at us from all angles, including the accepted explanation of reality, that we are robots with no freewill, living in an insentient world whose only purpose is to consume and produce consume and produce
So the question we must ask ourselves really honestly is this: are you bored with nature, with others, with yourself? it MUST be an honest inquiry. This is not meaning give up your computer.
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I think most people simply take technology for granted.
Seeing as the average life span a century ago was around 30 and it's now near 80, I have nothing but gratitude for technology. I don't think that technologies are inherently bad or problematic, take GMO's for example, I think they have a great potential for solving hunger issues and improving crop yield but the management behind the technology is often tainted by bureaucratic corruption that puts an agenda behind new technologies, e.g. Patenting GMO seeds for profit.
I would say satisfaction comes with how an individual decides to use technology, people may not be satisfied if memes are all they get from it but in the scientific fields technology can be used as a godsend for data collection.
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Re: Technology and daily life [Re: sudly] 2
#23749708 - 10/18/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you hit the fucking nail on the head with your OP, DQ.
Personally, I'd forego the lot of it in exchange for IRL community being what it once was, or could be, but alas; it seems that is not what destiny has in store for us...
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Jokeshopbeard said: Personally, I'd forego the lot of it in exchange for IRL community being what it once was, or could be, but alas; it seems that is not what destiny has in store for us...
Indeed not.
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DividedQuantum said: Indeed not. 
Let's loot and burn things in retaliation for the fact that our culture focuses on only the most superficial aspects of being alive.
I'm off to go kick a television and burn a newspaper...
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Let's send a brick through a Starbucks window
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Let's take a vote on the note; I'll throw the brick - I've enjoyed a few clashes with 'the man' in my life.. including taking a beating with a baton one time for being 'peaceful'...
Should the note say;
1. Fuck you scumbaggiest scumfuckholes of society, you're singlehandedly destroying the human race 2. We surrender, my lords 3. What channel is Breaking Bad on? It's the best thing I've ever seen..
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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I want to go with 1, but when there's a tank and swat team on my front lawn I may switch to 2.
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Going down betwixt a hail of bullets from SMG's and tank rounds is my all time #2 way to exit this life. Bring the cunts on, I say...
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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What's #1?
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Death by motorbike. Only hours ago I was doing 170mph+. I hope I get that pleasure, but the man would rather I died worn out, used up, and brainwashed. Fuck that cunt.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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You have balls, sir. Where in greater London can you get going that fast on a motorcycle? Jesus, I hope a squirrel doesn't cross the road on you.
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Well my good sir, 'twould rather not say sir, for 'twas perhaps imaginary. Although one would be correct in assuming such things being possible within the boundaries of Greater London would be only the folly of a fool, a madman, or a fairy.
My wings doth glitter.
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Your bike must have a chain of gold, a headlamp of diamonds and a brake light of rubies!
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Thine chain be the colour of rubies, my good sir:
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DividedQuantum said: Technology gives us comfort and convenience in our daily lives, but not, seemingly, lasting happiness. We adopt it and it becomes ho-hum. Looking at history, people in, say, the 1950's appear to have been happier than most are now, given economic and political circumstances. They had no cell-phones or computers, no microwave ovens, no flat-screen tv's, etc. We tend to be biased toward our own age, thinking the past could not possibly have been better. Well, it appears we have more suffering and misery today than at any point in our nation's history. Technology hasn't saved us from that.
I'm not arguing against technology at all; I have many uses for it, and, as it is a force unto itself, it will continue to develop whether anyone likes it or not.
I'm just curious as to whether anyone feels otherwise. As I pointed out, there are many indicators that Americans are not very happy (but I can't speak for the rest of the world). And we're deluged with technology. So, is it really more than a matter of comfort and convenience? Or am I wrong and it does create genuine, lasting happiness?
My opinion is that although we have advanced economically and morally, we are on a psycho-spiritual decline. A few hundred years ago the thought that life is unfulfilling or meaningless was pretty much unthinkable. The power of God was present in all things, we were the centre of the universe in this sense. Now things have changed and we find ourselves in an abyss of time and space which human made meanings cannot find a place in.
I think most people are trying to return to the good times whether through religion, identification with a tribe/group/society, a return to "natural living" whatever that means etc. Technological advancement has also taken on some quasi-religious overtones fuelled by a belief in "progress" which along with money is the new secular religion.
I believe we should attempt to become true atheists and condemn ourselves to radical alienation from society, the earth, the universe, anything we attempt to project our own importance onto. I see no other way to stay truthful to oneself.
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Re: Technology and daily life [Re: blingbling]
#23751189 - 10/19/16 05:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get it, you are the leader of true atheism!
wait a minute, do we need an atheist leader? also, how do you know that in the past, religion actually filled any void in peoples' lives at all. More likely it was just more oppression and mindfuckery that people spent their time struggling to understand. some of the trappings and candlelight felt homey and secure - some stories and poetry combined with ritual, food, and holidays begins to look like culture.
still lots of emptiness in it.
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Re: Technology and daily life [Re: blingbling]
#23751470 - 10/19/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: Technology gives us comfort and convenience in our daily lives, but not, seemingly, lasting happiness. We adopt it and it becomes ho-hum. Looking at history, people in, say, the 1950's appear to have been happier than most are now, given economic and political circumstances. They had no cell-phones or computers, no microwave ovens, no flat-screen tv's, etc. We tend to be biased toward our own age, thinking the past could not possibly have been better. Well, it appears we have more suffering and misery today than at any point in our nation's history. Technology hasn't saved us from that.
I'm not arguing against technology at all; I have many uses for it, and, as it is a force unto itself, it will continue to develop whether anyone likes it or not.
I'm just curious as to whether anyone feels otherwise. As I pointed out, there are many indicators that Americans are not very happy (but I can't speak for the rest of the world). And we're deluged with technology. So, is it really more than a matter of comfort and convenience? Or am I wrong and it does create genuine, lasting happiness?
My opinion is that although we have advanced economically and morally, we are on a psycho-spiritual decline. A few hundred years ago the thought that life is unfulfilling or meaningless was pretty much unthinkable. The power of God was present in all things, we were the centre of the universe in this sense. Now things have changed and we find ourselves in an abyss of time and space which human made meanings cannot find a place in.
I think most people are trying to return to the good times whether through religion, identification with a tribe/group/society, a return to "natural living" whatever that means etc. Technological advancement has also taken on some quasi-religious overtones fuelled by a belief in "progress" which along with money is the new secular religion.
I agree in very large measure with this. We are indeed at a psychospiritual low point, there can be no doubt of that. I actually just finished a biography of Thomas Jefferson, and two hundred years ago, in America at least, people were clearly happier and more fulfilled, much more, than today. They were more religious on balance, and I do not know if that was the key factor. But their lives were clearly more meaningful to them. That and people seemed to be smarter back then. Their writing was much more intelligent than anything one sees today.
People are lost. We are broken and lonely and longing to have some sort of meaning in our lives. Gadgets and stuff fill that vacuum, but how hollow is that? Progress/technology and money, you could definitely say, are the pillars of the modern secular religion.
Excellent points on your part.
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lower than what? (the good old days were not that good you know just more dusty and crude)
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I agree that there were never any golden ages, but imho, having looked at history over time, it would seem that at no point in the past were humans as desensitized, generally unhappy, zombie-like, distracted, or spiritually unfulfilled as we are right now. That's only my opinion, of course.
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DividedQuantum said: I agree that there were never any golden ages, but imho, having looked at history over time, it would seem that at no point in the past were humans as desensitized, generally unhappy, zombie-like, distracted, or spiritually unfulfilled as we are right now. That's only my opinion, of course.
Mine too. It strikes me that superficiality is rotting the core of our species; something I doubt was ever as much of an option, or pushed agenda, throughout history as it is now.
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Good point.
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how do you know that in the past, religion actually filled any void in peoples' lives at all. More likely it was just more oppression and mindfuckery that people spent their time struggling to understand.
I know because people wrote stuff down that was analysed by historians, philosophers etc. And I read their books. Check out A Secular Age by Charles Taylor. Its a massive book, but definitely worth reading.
And of course there was oppression. But people didn't really see it that way. They were more worried about what the right way to get to heaven was, not whether there even is a heaven or a God or a meaning to life. If you asked someone back then whether they thought life could lack meaning they would probably just stare at you blankly. The idea that life could lack meaning was not really thinkable the way it is today. That is a massive cultural shift.
What you need to realise is that oppression is a problem. But its not the problem outlined in the OP. We are actually less oppressed than in any other time in history as far as we know.
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Re: Technology and daily life [Re: blingbling]
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And of course there was oppression. But people didn't really see it that way.
oh, is that so? And you know this because you read this was not the case? Oppressed people didn't feel it. LOL
Orwell eat ya heart out!
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And of course there was oppression. But people didn't really see it that way.
oh, is that so? And you know this because you read this was not the case? Oppressed people didn't feel it. LOL
Orwell eat ya heart out! 
People felt oppressed, yes. But all oppression was the will of God and if one did not stray from the path they would be rewarded with everlasting life. So, there was a silver lining to oppression that no longer exists.
And don't get me started on Orwell. The guy was clueless. He thought that somehow love could break through the power structures of oppression. What he failed to realise was that love is most often the source of oppression. Love of nation, religion, tribe etc. He was just as bad as the communists he so vehemently condemned. .
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