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Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital
    #23745586 - 10/17/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Authorities in Coos Bay, Oregon say that five people were affected by a hallucination-causing substance seemingly spread by touch, but exactly what the corrupting agent is remains unknown.

According to Oregon Live, the first victim, a 54-year-old caregiver taking care of a 78-year-old patient, called the Coos County Sheriff's Office twice from late Tuesday to early Wednesday, reporting that up to eight people were breaking into her car by trying to tear its roof off.

Though no evidence of such a crime was discovered, after the second call, deputies suspected the caregiver was seeing things and transported her to an area hospital, notes KVAL.

Not long after, the responding deputies, a hospital employee, and the 78-year-old patient began experiencing hallucinations as well.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: psillyboy]
    #23745639 - 10/17/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23745659 - 10/17/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Uh oh, sounds like Pont-Saint-Esprit all over again.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #23745669 - 10/17/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Uh oh, sounds like Pont-Saint-Esprit all over again.




I remember reading about that, did they ever find evidence that is was connected to MKULTRA?


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: musiclover420]
    #23746019 - 10/17/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not really, still considered to be a conspiracy theory.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #23746311 - 10/17/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Neurosoup said she shouldn't have touched a bathtub of something.

Also, being wretchedly ill can make you see things.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: durian_2008]
    #23746606 - 10/17/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

LSD wont go thru your skin, no one is going leave that around in quantity. Nbome? What drug could you absorb thru your skin that causes hallucination? If they were poisoned they probably consumed it, I would check what they ate/drank and rule that out first. Could have been ricin or anthrax or just mass hysteria or some new zombie virus. I would say it's unlikely weaponized hallucinogens were released by pranksters, Russian agents maybe, but kids/idiots who bought some powder off the internet? I don't know, that seems unlikely to me.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23746731 - 10/17/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What if this is from a lead contamination or something :eek:


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23746787 - 10/17/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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LSD wont go thru your skin, no one is going leave that around in quantity. Nbome? What drug could you absorb thru your skin that causes hallucination? If they were poisoned they probably consumed it, I would check what they ate/drank and rule that out first. Could have been ricin or anthrax or just mass hysteria or some new zombie virus. I would say it's unlikely weaponized hallucinogens were released by pranksters, Russian agents maybe, but kids/idiots who bought some powder off the internet? I don't know, that seems unlikely to me.



LSD can and will be absorbed through the skin, but it is unlikely that it could have been transferred to the people who came in contact with this woman. That is unless she had an insane amount of crystal, which is highly doubtful.

Scopolamine could be the culprit, but again it seems unlikely that she would have been exposed to it unless it was done purposefully.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #23746812 - 10/17/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Wow cool.  I say it's air born, not by touch.  Curious if someone dumped a bit of scopolamine on their hair.  That would be an easy way to dose a lot of people.  Too bad they are not more specific about the symptoms.  Some video would be nice.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23746824 - 10/17/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If they were poisoned they probably consumed it, I would check what they ate/drank and rule that out first. Could have been ricin or anthrax or just mass hysteria or some new zombie virus.





How likely is oral consumption in this scenario though? We're talking not only the nurse who was the first one, but the patient she was treating, another hospital employee, AND "the responding deputies" as well. If it were only people from the hospital, I might agree that food is a possibility. But why would the cops have eaten the same thing as hospital employees and patients?


This is pretty weird...


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #23746860 - 10/17/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

nerve gas


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #23746939 - 10/17/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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LSD wont go thru your skin, no one is going leave that around in quantity. Nbome? What drug could you absorb thru your skin that causes hallucination? If they were poisoned they probably consumed it, I would check what they ate/drank and rule that out first. Could have been ricin or anthrax or just mass hysteria or some new zombie virus. I would say it's unlikely weaponized hallucinogens were released by pranksters, Russian agents maybe, but kids/idiots who bought some powder off the internet? I don't know, that seems unlikely to me.



LSD can and will be absorbed through the skin, but it is unlikely that it could have been transferred to the people who came in contact with this woman. That is unless she had an insane amount of crystal, which is highly doubtful.

Scopolamine could be the culprit, but again it seems unlikely that she would have been exposed to it unless it was done purposefully.




Wrong. LSD is not absorbed through the skin. This is a myth that goes back to the beginning, but it's been tested & proven a myth by none other then Nick Sand & Dr.Nichols. I've had a hefty amount accidentally spilled on me as well, and again nothing happened.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23747056 - 10/17/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty sure that agents dosing themselves accidentally by being contaminated during LSD lab raids is a total myth.  Sure, some agents end up seeking psychiatric care and some get real fucked up, but the truth is we know they sniff lines of coke and meth.  DEA got busted doing this (with prostitutes) in colombia.  slap on the wrist. 

but the actual likely thing is that DEA goons see a pile of white powder in a lab, they think "this will be fun!" and end up snorting lines of LSD.  Then putting out a public statement to the effect that LSD absorbs through the skin, etc.  to cover their asses, when the shit hits the fan and the agent's family is like "what do we do with this vegetable, should we admit that he did drugs?"


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: Achuma]
    #23747107 - 10/17/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Pretty sure that agents dosing themselves accidentally by being contaminated during LSD lab raids is a total myth.  Sure, some agents end up seeking psychiatric care and some get real fucked up, but the truth is we know they sniff lines of coke and meth.  DEA got busted doing this (with prostitutes) in colombia.  slap on the wrist. 

but the actual likely thing is that DEA goons see a pile of white powder in a lab, they think "this will be fun!" and end up snorting lines of LSD.  Then putting out a public statement to the effect that LSD absorbs through the skin, etc.  to cover their asses, when the shit hits the fan and the agent's family is like "what do we do with this vegetable, should we admit that he did drugs?"




The cop on drugs inc who made that story up almost certainly did it for an early retirement package. It's a work related injury that no one can disprove. Cops don't snort mystery powders why would they when they can go into the evidence room and snort tested powder they know the purity of?

I am still predicting when/if they figure this out that it won't be trans-dermal dosed drug. Even scopolamine requires a patch and it needs to be held there. I dont think you can spray it on a door knob and make people delirious, that just sounds unlikely to me. But we will see.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: my3rdeye] * 2
    #23747290 - 10/17/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Albert Hofmann discovered LSD by trans-durmal experince, he touched a tiny amount in the lab, check out his book my problem child.

Now, little by little I could begin to enjoy the unprecedented colors and plays of shapes that persisted behind my closed eyes. Kaleidoscopic, fantastic images surged in on me, alternating, variegated, opening and then closing themselves in circles and spirals, exploding in colored fountains, rearranging and hybridizing themselves in constant flux.

With these words Swiss chemist Doctor Albert Hofmann describes the events of April 19, 1943, the date of the first consciously induced LSD trip. Since that time, LSD has become one of the most controversial pharmaceuticals ever developed, a substance that changed the life of its discoverer Dr. Hofmann, as well as the lives of tens of millions of others.

In LSD : My Problem Child we follow Dr. Hofmann on his journey of discovery: the painstaking research, the courageous self-experimentation, the meetings with such notables as Aldous Huxley, Timothy Leary, mycologist R. Gordon Wasson, and novelist Ernst Junger.

This little-known story of the birth of the psychedelic age will fascinate anyone who has used LSD and wondered about its origins and the mind and circumstances that created it. In its interplay of science, history, and mystical speculation, LSD: My Problem Child suggests to the reader both the dilemmas and the prospects of a truly important discovery, the significance of which has yet to be fully understood.



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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: rider420] * 2
    #23747299 - 10/17/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Part of me wonders if he actually created it by accident, or if he genuinely had an idea of what he might have been doing before hand.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: rider420] * 2
    #23747412 - 10/17/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hofmann's account is known to be fictional. There's a lot of speculation about why it's fictional. The most agreed upon theory is that he needed some way to explain why he was ingesting the chemicals he was making.

However, I would like to point out that LSD was invented originally during World War 2, and Hofmann (for supposedly no apparent reason at all) went back to only this one specific chemical out of all the chemicals and lysergamides he had made long after the war was over.

The only reasonable explanation as to why he knew to make LSD specifically again after the war was over is that he tried some the first time he made it, but this brings up a lot of other questions. Why didn't he produce it right after he made it the first time? Why was he developing and testing psychoactive substances on himself during a war to begin with?

We know that he volunteered to study the lysergamides specifically, and that he worked up to a goal of volunteering to studying the lysergamides over a long period of time. The most reasonable and simple explanation is that he specifically went looking for a psychoactive substance. That is, he specifically intended to create a recreational drug.

However, if you're a little conspiracy minded, it's easy to imagine that during war time he might have been trying to develop a chemical weapon. Indeed, they later tested LSD as a chemical weapon on a town in France.

Unfortunately, he never wrote down a real account, and neither did his coworkers, so we'll never truly know.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #23748016 - 10/18/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Could be anything in DMSO. But I don't see how, whatever it is, it could be spread just by touch through more than 2 people that implies either someone is slathered in it or concentrations are so high its coming out through their sweat and in that case they'd be a lot crazier than just thinking someone is breaking into their car.(I could see one person who has it on their hands touching another, but then how does that person contaminate anyone else?)

That gives me a good bad idea, LSD dissolved in DMSO then aerosolized inside one of those bear spray cans. Or better yet put into an ultrasonic humidifier so you don't have to actually be there.

Get a small sealed barrel of it with a floating ultrasonic humidifier, put a small battery powered squirrel cage fan on top with an exit port up top(just like if you were building a humidifier for a fruiting chamber) and drop one off inside a domed statdium, talk about chaos LOL.

Hell, since DMSO is miscible in water, I wonder if you could just add it to a fog machine at a concert.


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Re: Mysterious hallucination-causing illness seemingly spread by touch hits US hospital [Re: Coolwhip GA]
    #23748066 - 10/18/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There is the thing where a shaman in a trance (through plant magic and drumming/dancing) wipes his own sweat on others and they are brought to a similar trance state. I can't quote where I heard that from because I simply can't remember lol. If the story in the OP isn't just made up, then maybe the transference in sweat idea might have something to do with it. The scopolamine idea is interesting too. Maybe the people trying to break into the car were Colombians who had some burundanga on their possession although I didn't think the 'blowing pollen in the face' dose was enough to cause hallicinations but enough to make a person go along with whatever you suggest to them. Who knows.. The media are so full of merde most of the time.


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