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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
    #24121190 - 02/26/17 12:17 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

If you are into this hobbie , i would get one for as cheap as they are personally , you could get an ok with a rubber seal and the seal will last awhile and the new ones are cheap and the PC will save you so much hassle worrying about contams during that phase


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: blackout]
    #24121272 - 02/26/17 12:45 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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South_Paw said:My LC is clean. And i favor it over agar because I can literally have gallons of clean LC. Its so much more versatile. But agar is fun too. Id like to make some agar LC someday



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yet i'm still confused as to why people say to PC for over an hr. just seems like a waste of time and dries out your substrate.



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the entire thread is fairly mind-boggling.


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This thread has gotta be the biggest shit show I've seen in awhile.. either op is trolling, or has no idea how to articulate his thoughts properly..

Bumps this thread saying how he sterilizes for 15 minutes so things don't dry out, wonders why people even go above 1 hr, and inoculates with liquid to replace water lost, then explains how grains drying out isn't an issue?? Because the only thing you're supposed to be PCing longer than an hour is fuckin grains, IDK what other substrates you're even talking about.. if you mean pftek, 1 hour is plenty.. I'm not entirely sure about 15 minutes, but as long as all mold spores are dead, it really shouldn't be too hard either. No endospores to worry about..

And like I said you can inject pftek with a bacterial LC and it can grow just fine. Bacteria has an issue with pftek. Try inoccing with agar to 100% know if it's clean or not, the next best option would be grains, but that is nowhere near as good at identification as agar.

Other substrates like manure get pasteurized.. CVG can get sterilized or just hydrated so it's not like people even care about how long to sterilize that shit..

So what other substrates are getting PCd longer than 1 hour?

Let's not even get started on the clean LC with no proof.. and also let's not even get started on the fact literally 0 mushrooms have been posted. I'm sure all the people with LC issues before they got into agar were just stupid, as you put it, and you're just godly right?


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Mad Season]
    #24121289 - 02/26/17 12:51 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

:lolwut: this thread


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: van hatton]
    #24121305 - 02/26/17 12:55 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

lets changed the subject.

cpl. hicks died. thats lame.


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: mushboy]
    #24121360 - 02/26/17 01:18 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Nah, I don't even want to see a fruit.

I'm still waiting on this 15 min grain.

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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Mad Season]
    #24127597 - 03/01/17 12:45 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Perhaps he's talking about bags or bottles with both grain and manure/CVG :grin:

Eagerly waiting for cultivation to evolve here. Perhaps it's all a scam from the electricity companies that made us sterilise for longer than 15min.

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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: knorr]
    #24127615 - 03/01/17 01:06 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Perhaps he's talking about bags or bottles with both grain and manure/CVG :grin:

Eagerly waiting for cultivation to evolve here. Perhaps it's all a scam from the electricity companies that made us sterilise for longer than 15min.

Tinfoil hat on :rolleyes:



I think if that ever was found out that mushroom growers everywhere would just start jumping in front of trains. Omg think of the 100s of thousands of hours wasted pressure cooking all the grains, cakes and lc and agar . no worries mate my last 3 pc bag runs were only 2 hours at 15psi instead of 3 or 4 hours those 6qt bags stay super hot for like 6 hours after the run.


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: tump]
    #24135491 - 03/04/17 08:10 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Is a presto 23 quart a good pc


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Bmason2323]
    #24135502 - 03/04/17 08:14 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

That's the one I use, seems to be the most popular one for mycology work.



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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Tiamo]
    #24135566 - 03/04/17 08:45 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Any PC....better than no PC.


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
    #24135582 - 03/04/17 08:48 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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all sterilized for no more than 30 mins with the exception of my manure jars at 45 mins. The manure got dried out in the PC, like a crispy & brittle cake. Let me repeat... these were all more than successful grows.




I'm surprised nobody has called this out yet. Substrate dried out to crispy and brittle after just 45 minutes in the PC? I call major bullshit, unless you fucked something up. And then after saying they're brittle and crispy, he claims that it was still a successful grow? Wtf am I reading?


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: trophycase]
    #24135588 - 03/04/17 08:50 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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all sterilized for no more than 30 mins with the exception of my manure jars at 45 mins. The manure got dried out in the PC, like a crispy & brittle cake. Let me repeat... these were all more than successful grows.




I'm surprised nobody has called this out yet. Substrate dried out to crispy and brittle after just 45 minutes in the PC? I call major bullshit, unless you fucked something up. And then after saying they're brittle and crispy, he claims that it was still a successful grow? Wtf am I reading?



Not sure why you are putting manure substrate in a PC to begin with. That should be pasteurized not sterilized.


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: CapnZ]
    #24135603 - 03/04/17 08:57 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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all sterilized for no more than 30 mins with the exception of my manure jars at 45 mins. The manure got dried out in the PC, like a crispy & brittle cake. Let me repeat... these were all more than successful grows.




I'm surprised nobody has called this out yet. Substrate dried out to crispy and brittle after just 45 minutes in the PC? I call major bullshit, unless you fucked something up. And then after saying they're brittle and crispy, he claims that it was still a successful grow? Wtf am I reading?



Not sure why you are putting manure substrate in a PC to begin with. That should be pasteurized not sterilized.




I think he was talking about pf style manure jars for pans. Which there are teks for. I'm just curious how they dried crispy and brittle in only 45 minutes, and then were still successful for growing somehow...


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: CapnZ]
    #24137883 - 03/05/17 06:21 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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all sterilized for no more than 30 mins with the exception of my manure jars at 45 mins. The manure got dried out in the PC, like a crispy & brittle cake. Let me repeat... these were all more than successful grows.




I'm surprised nobody has called this out yet. Substrate dried out to crispy and brittle after just 45 minutes in the PC? I call major bullshit, unless you fucked something up. And then after saying they're brittle and crispy, he claims that it was still a successful grow? Wtf am I reading?



Not sure why you are putting manure substrate in a PC to begin with. That should be pasteurized not sterilized.




Pasteurizing horse manure can be a bit tricky, so if you can sterilize it and inoculate it and then let it colonize in a sterile environment you've made it easier to use a good and cheap substrate.

Check out MudaFuka's bottle TEK.

My only issue with cultivating has been getting the pasteurization of horse manure right and since it's free sterilization is quite beneficial.

The microbes one wants when pasteurizing isn't really needed since the substrate is colonized in a sterile environment and no contaminants are there to be fought off.


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: CapnZ]
    #24138148 - 03/05/17 09:11 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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all sterilized for no more than 30 mins with the exception of my manure jars at 45 mins. The manure got dried out in the PC, like a crispy & brittle cake. Let me repeat... these were all more than successful grows.




I'm surprised nobody has called this out yet. Substrate dried out to crispy and brittle after just 45 minutes in the PC? I call major bullshit, unless you fucked something up. And then after saying they're brittle and crispy, he claims that it was still a successful grow? Wtf am I reading?



Not sure why you are putting manure substrate in a PC to begin with. That should be pasteurized not sterilized.




FYI pasteurization is a form of sterilization...


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: trophycase]
    #24138163 - 03/05/17 09:19 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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all sterilized for no more than 30 mins with the exception of my manure jars at 45 mins. The manure got dried out in the PC, like a crispy & brittle cake. Let me repeat... these were all more than successful grows.




I'm surprised nobody has called this out yet. Substrate dried out to crispy and brittle after just 45 minutes in the PC? I call major bullshit, unless you fucked something up. And then after saying they're brittle and crispy, he claims that it was still a successful grow? Wtf am I reading?



Not sure why you are putting manure substrate in a PC to begin with. That should be pasteurized not sterilized.




I think he was talking about pf style manure jars for pans. Which there are teks for. I'm just curious how they dried crispy and brittle in only 45 minutes, and then were still successful for growing somehow...




Lol once again I'm not bullshitting. This definitely happened. And the grow was still successful. In order to correct the dried out manure, I simply added water.

I went from PF manure jars (BRF,gyp,manure) crumbled to bulk sub (plain manure PCed at 45mins (THIS IS WHAT BECAME DRIED OUT, NOTE THAT IT WAS NOT HYDRATED PRIOR TO PC) and put into tin foil baking trays.

I've used this tek 3 times now with great results. Each tray usually has about 4 flushes


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
    #24138172 - 03/05/17 09:26 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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FYI pasteurization is a form of sterilization...




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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24138176 - 03/05/17 09:29 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Pasteurization = partial sterilization. Don't get caught up in ur technical mumbo jumbo
SOURCE: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pasteurization


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    #24138180 - 03/05/17 09:31 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Is heating water to 75C at sea level considered partial boiling?


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
    #24138182 - 03/05/17 09:33 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Don't get caught up in ur technical mumbo jumbo





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