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South_Paw
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Mycolorado]
#24113341 - 02/23/17 11:47 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh don't worry, I'll keep y'all updated. By the way I'm not trying to argue with anyone. Of course I want to hear the input of others, that's why I'm on these threads.
Ironically, I do feel as if some people posting here suffer from some minor cognitive dissonance.
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#24113350 - 02/23/17 11:51 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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How many times have you successfully grown mushrooms this way?
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Mycolorado]
#24113365 - 02/23/17 11:56 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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what southpaw is basically saying is that since the outside of the grain was at temp for a few minutes it should kill everything.
but thats like saying i cooked you rice to eat but only the outside. the inside of the rice is still hard.
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: mushboy]
#24113387 - 02/23/17 12:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Mycolorado]
#24113414 - 02/23/17 12:16 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: How many times have you successfully grown mushrooms this way?
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South_Paw
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: amidogen]
#24113445 - 02/23/17 12:32 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fair enough, sounds like a good experiment for the sake of science.
I've done coir monotubs (bulk sub bucket pasteurized...), cube cakes, pf tek manure jars for pan cyan, all sterilized for no more than 30 mins with the exception of my manure jars at 45 mins. The manure got dried out in the PC, like a crispy & brittle cake. Let me repeat... these were all more than successful grows.
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#24114085 - 02/23/17 05:42 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Btw pics were requested and here they are 

Thats pan cyan LC in a 50/50 honey maple ratio. Sterilized 30m in PC. There's barely any liquid left in the jar yet I'm surprised at how thick the myc has become. Hasn't been in the fridge yet.

First pinset on my latest grow. 30 min pasteurized spawn (dehydrated manure, small amount of gypsum & unspent coffee, coarse verm) 15 min pasteurized bulk sub (just plain dehydrated manure with verm).
NOTE: Before inoculating ANYTHING with the LC I always make sure there is distinguishable and thick myc. Give your LC a couple weeks of growth before using it.
I neglected these for a few days so they became dry. Applied a casing layer as soon as I could (thin layer of crushed dolomitic lime, peat, coarse verm; sprinkled fine verm on top) and peeled away the sides of the tray away from the myc and funneled some water underneath. I'm aware this could cause side pinning but don't really care. Next day I saw these pins.
At this point I also set a space heater, fluorescent light, and cool mist humidifier to a 2hr on/off cycle with a slightly cracked window nearby.

Zoomed out

These 4 trays weren't fully colonized, about a week behind the first 2, when I cased them. I probably should have waited but did it all at once. However not too worried and will sprinkle some more fine verm on top in a few days.

My first BRF jars as a "noob." They came out just fine, despite the fact that they were only PCed for 30m.

And last but not least my latest batch of cubes put in a FC a few days ago. Only doing these instead of a monotub because they smell nice.
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#24114107 - 02/23/17 05:48 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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how can the perlite function when its in a bag like that? it cant btw.
wait..wait.. you were asking about needing a pc? and people said no you can steam with pf.. then we went around in a circle jerk and now your back at a pf cake you PCed for 30min?
wtf is the point of this thread dude.
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: mushboy]
#24114130 - 02/23/17 05:56 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bag has pin holes in it, because I don't want wet perlite on my rug... And i think you mean what's the point of the fruiting chamber if there's a bag on the bottom? Either way the perlite does its job by retaining moisture, and I have plenty of ways of ensuring that the air doesn't become stagnant...
Besides that, my point is that I'm right about everything I've said so far, because it works 
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Edited by South_Paw (02/23/17 06:02 PM)
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#24114148 - 02/23/17 06:02 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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South_Paw
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Mad Season]
#24114159 - 02/23/17 06:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Mad Season]
#24114163 - 02/23/17 06:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Josex] 1
#24114200 - 02/23/17 06:17 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (06/21/18 11:00 AM)
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: amidogen]
#24114226 - 02/23/17 06:26 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I will, I will jeez. What do u expect me to pull agar plates out of my @$$?
I'll put time stamps on the pics and everything when I get around to it. But at the same time agar is a bit different than rye, BRF, or manure. It's much more prone to contams. But I will try to do it as clean as I can.
As I mentioned before, the most important part to avoid contams is using proper sterilization techniques during inoculation and make sure u are inoculating with clean, strong myc. People on this forum seem to emphasize the step that involves PCing/steaming/doing whatever to your substrate is more important than that. I disagree, and I look forward to proving y'all wrong
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#24114252 - 02/23/17 06:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 02:01 PM)
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#24114272 - 02/23/17 06:41 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, I've posted my results and I have no reason to lie to you.
I'll leave you with this.
Mushrooms are a natural phenomenon. There is no pasteurization process in nature. Consider evolution. Has anyone ever considered that over pasteurizing substrates could lead to a lower quality product over X length of time?
Have you ever seen the movie Bubble Boy? Look forward to continuing this conversation.
EDIT: Our ancestors ate raw meat no problem
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Edited by South_Paw (02/23/17 06:41 PM)
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#24114316 - 02/23/17 06:56 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I eat raw red meat. I love tenderloin shaved thin with lemon juice salt n pepper. Mmmm Nature has symbiotic relationships. A micro climate inside a dwelling does not
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#24114335 - 02/23/17 07:04 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Let me send you some of my high endospore oats and try to just PC them one hour @ 15 PSI, they will think it's just a sunny day at the beach.
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#24114443 - 02/23/17 07:45 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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South_Paw said: Well, I've posted my results and I have no reason to lie to you.
Well, others have posted their results and we have no reason to believe you....
Grains for 15 min @ 13 psi
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#24114490 - 02/23/17 08:05 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just only ever used anything but a pressure cooker. I just wish they had anything other than those rockers , like the old number seven all American.
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