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South_Paw
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Do I need really need a PC?
#23745554 - 10/17/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm trying to inoculate half pint jars of rye berries with LC (clean). However I've been reading that steam sterilization doesn't kill endospores therefore I need a PC for sterilization if I'm trying to inoculate grains. Not sure if this is actually true since I sterilized my BRF jars just fine using steam before incoculation with no contams whatsoever
So any opinions on this? Or should I just go ahead and steam sterilize and shoot em up?
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blackout


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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#23745572 - 10/17/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some have steamed them with success, but for 8 hours or more. Some say brown rice contains little or no endospores and is more selective about what grows on it (cue shitstorm).
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Mad Season
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: blackout]
#23745580 - 10/17/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with what you said lol
Although MS IMO is better than LC...
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: blackout]
#23745584 - 10/17/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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(Cue shitstorm) lol I love the level of expectancy
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Mad Season]
#23745606 - 10/17/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mad Season said:
I agree with what you said lol
Although MS IMO is better than LC...
Why do you think ms is better than lc?
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: blackout]
#23745619 - 10/17/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
blackout said: Some have steamed them with success, but for 8 hours or more. Some say brown rice contains little or no endospores and is more selective about what grows on it (cue shitstorm).
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#23745642 - 10/17/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have tried that at least 20x w/o success, the best I had was on 6hrs and even then by wk 3 the contams started. I have done well with flax seeds, steamed them loose in a basket(to hydrate), then jar'd them and steamed for 90mins with good success but it will not break up like berries so you may as well stay with BRF.. Popcorn works well on a 2hr steam after hydrating and breaks up well...
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: perikleous]
#23745654 - 10/17/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have had great success with steaming grains for 8 hours.most farms use simple steaming methods.
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: cronicr]
#23745692 - 10/17/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Every time I go to Walmart I see pressure cookers for 28$. Just get a cheap one. I personally wouldn't want to waste all the time and resources for something that may or may not sterilize them.
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: cronicr]
#23745886 - 10/17/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr said: I have had great success with steaming grains for 8 hours.most farms use simple steaming methods.
Hah... Hopefully you won't be kicked out by a crazy ex that throws all your cult stuff out on the street again... Then you won't have to waste all that time Cron...
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tump
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: morty422]
#23746013 - 10/17/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pressure cooking makes it easier with small amounts. Streaming makes sense for farms because doing 200lbs of grains and 40 sub blocks is needed for a day production. Get the cheap 70 dallor ones at walmart. As to ms being better then lc is easy. Lc saves time if clean and full of myc. Most sugar lc can't contain more then 12.3% by volume. Most times you can't ready get lc perfectly clean without agar and other thing you need higher psi sterile stuff. The result is myc growing in your liquid with heavt amounts of bacterial life. You shoot up with the bacterial life inside the lc into grains. Boom of bacterial life in grain spawn making myc weaker and slower growth vs even spores water with light bacteria infection. Where once the spores germinate they soon out run the bacterial life.
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: tump] 2
#23746077 - 10/17/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: amidogen]
#23746097 - 10/17/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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When i sterilize i just put a towel on the bottom of a pot, pour enough water to cover the jars 30-40%, put on the lid an boil for 1 hour. After the jars has cooled down i inoculate them and that is all.
I have done this every time and only had 1 contaminated jar during incubation.
Highly recommend this method due to it´s simplicity and speed.
Good luck with your growing
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Nescobar]
#23746107 - 10/17/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: amidogen]
#23746117 - 10/17/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah but i´ve used all kinds of drinking glasses and jars with some foil on.
Well, it´s better to be safe than sorry
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amidogen
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: Nescobar]
#23746132 - 10/17/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 11:45 AM)
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South_Paw
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: amidogen]
#24112356 - 02/22/17 11:35 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just'd like to bump this. ended up buying a PC for about $100. Sterilizes BRF rye , manure, peat, etc just fine in as little as 15 mins (PSI ~ 13). I grow everything starting with PF tek, not contams so far in any jars I've done. PC definitely worth it.
Boiling definitely does the job for the most part, rye grain included. I believe the most important part is sterility during inoculation
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#24112359 - 02/22/17 11:37 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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South_Paw
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: mushboy]
#24112388 - 02/22/17 11:53 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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^^^
yet i'm still confused as to why people say to PC for over an hr. just seems like a waste of time and dries out your substrate.
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South_Paw
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Re: Do I need really need a PC? [Re: South_Paw]
#24112397 - 02/22/17 11:58 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Also why I like LC. If it's done right it will be sterile and also hydrate substrate when u inoculate.
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