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First attempt! questions on last page
#23745531 - 10/17/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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alright guys, so here it is. my first attempt. used brf cakes. It's been about 10 days and this is how the currently look had a little trouble getting 1/4 cc in each hole, but eventually got the hang of it. for that reason, I only have 6 jars nocd atm. 3 of them are in a box, in a room, wrapped in a towel
 ones in the bathroom cabinet, growing quite nice.
 ones above the stove, seems to be taking it's time.
 and another was recently in a drawer that averaged temp of about 68 degrees. I just recently moved it near the heater. however, I was only able to noc one hole.
 most rooms stay about 70 to 75, I turn a space heater on overnight for the three in a box because it gets cold at night. hows everything looking so far? comments? tips? all feedback is welcome. Will constantly update with new pix as they progress ^-^
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Jars can be kept out in the open at normal room temps... no towel needed -no darkness needed.
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Re: First attempt! [Re: morty422]
#23745557 - 10/17/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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so they can just be chillin out on the shelf as long as temp is alright.. nice I'll have ta take em out and let them eat up some light! thanks!
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Re: First attempt! [Re: morty422]
#23745565 - 10/17/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking awesome manQuote:
morty422 said: Jars can be kept out in the open at normal room temps... no towel needed -no darkness needed.

This ^ And also, don't use a heater, room temp will be fine. Temp swings are not a bad thing. Try not to move your jars around very much, cos the dry verm layer can shift and contams can get into the substrate this way... If you feel like touching them cos you're so excited, do it with care!
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Yes ambient light is healthy, and your myc looks good. Do you have a shot gun fruiting chamber ready yet? If not, build one. It will help you not mess with your jars
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I've got a SGFC that I made... not sure if it's big enough though, there perlite in it now to see if it would hold humidity.
 have holes every 2 inches on all 6 sides. think it's too small?
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It looks a little shallow, the mushie need headroom to grow and you need 4-6" of perlite It may still work though
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I mean you'd be surprised what you can get away with if you give them proper care during fruiting. But it does look on the small side. Ideally, you'll want 3-4 inches of perlite.
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Looking great for only 10 days.
What was the trouble with injecting? I am guessing you might have used too much. If so check my tips.
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third3y3 said: It's SOOO easy to squeeze too much. I guess I'll get better. Typical newbie type mistake.
Theres a trick to stop this, do not use the syringe like people typically do. I am right handed, I grasp the syringe in my right hand making a thumbs up sign, the plunger end is sticking up with my thumb under the bit you usually press down with your finger. So if I gave a thumbs up out straight the needle is facing the floor.
My right pinky finger is gripping the body of the syringe at the 10ml sign
 Now you can press down the plunger with your left hand while actively pressing upwards with your right thumb. This gives you good control. If a syringe is unused for a while the rubber seal will be subject to static fritcion (aka stiction). If you use a syringe in a normal manner the moment this stiction is overcome the plunger will tend to move far too much due to the force you are applying and the fact nothing is stopping the syringe from going all the way down.
You can do it with just 1 hand too, just practice with water.
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I didn't state the obvious, but as the syringe empties obviously my pinky finger moves down the body with the print on it. You can get decent control with just 1 hand too, I usually only use the 2 hand method with a syringe which has not been used in a long time. With the 1 hand method I clench my fist around the syringe. When full my little finger wrapped around the syringe body (with the print) and my other 3 fingers grasp the plunger shaft firmly and my thumb presses down. So the plunger shaft is stopped from moving quickly by the friction of my fingers. As the liquid gets used up I put the next finger on the printed body. For the last 2ml my forefinger is just pressed against the underside of the plunger shaft which again just stops it being able to jump down too much.
Another 1 handed method is having your 3 fingers grasp the body with the printing, and your forefinger wrapped around the plunger shaft which provides resistance. Then press down with your thumb in a controlled manner. As said, just practice with plain water and see what suits you best.
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The only thing in the pic that suggests the size of the tub are the holes (2 inches apart) and it looks like the right size. You gotta add way more perlite, though.. 3 to 6 inches is fine. Also, raise the tub above the floor using cans or whatever (one in every corner) to allow air currents to do their job better.
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Re: First attempt! [Re: blackout]
#23745624 - 10/17/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea, I was using to much, thanks for those tips, I'm getting ready to order up another syringe and ill have to keep these I'm mind! ^-^
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FC is 5 1/2 inches tall by 11 inches tall, so I'm guessing it's too small?
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The tub is shallow but it's going to do the job just fine. Remember, more perlite and raise the tub above the ground
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PortabellaFella 1 said: It looks a little shallow, the mushie need headroom to grow
I have grown in shallow tubs, they just hit the lid and bend over.
current one, 3 inch high tub


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Re: First attempt! [Re: blackout]
#23745661 - 10/17/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok awesome, I'll try and grab a deeper one for the next run. ^-^ so what about my one thats taking it's time? just in a colder spot maybe?
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SevrynSyn said: ok awesome, I'll try and grab a deeper one for the next run. ^-^ so what about my one thats taking it's time? just in a colder spot maybe?
it is not really taking its time, even it is great growth for 10 days. I would consider moving the others to cooler spots as they may be too warm which can encourage contaminants.
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Re: First attempt! [Re: blackout] 1
#23745681 - 10/17/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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they aren't getting up to 80 degrees, I'd say average of 75 degrees, should be ok? I've alap taken them out of the box wrapped towel and are just sitting on a shelf
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Re: First attempt! [Re: blackout]
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PortabellaFella 1 said: It looks a little shallow, the mushie need headroom to grow
I have grown in shallow tubs, they just hit the lid and bend over.
current one, 3 inch high tub


some old ones



Correction noted: mushies will grow like people in the L train in Brooklyn at 5pm lol Thank you sir.
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Noc'd my first 4 jars yesterday… hoping mine look as good as yours!
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Awesome man! take pix and keep em posted! I went way overboard trying to keep them at the "perfect" temp and was always trying to sneak a peak at them, went out of town for two days, came back and bam! saw serious work started haha. now comes the last waiting part, until they are 100% colonized, the fruiting chamber actually needs my attention haha
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as for dunk and roll, has anyone noticed diffirenice with putting verm on top and bottom compared to just top or none at all? also, to fridge or not to fridge dunk? I've seen it both ways, but am curious about personal experience ^-^
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Fridge is not needed at all, that's outdated info. As for the roll, what do you understand by "roll"? you take a cake, and roll it in vermiculite until it's covered in it (right after the dunk) and then leave it in the FC and give a good soak with a hand sprayer, after that you keep misting normally when things are looking dry.
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Re: First attempt! [Re: Josex]
#23746482 - 10/17/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea I've seen teks talking about after the roll, put verm on the top and the bottom as well, or not at all amd just roll it to cover all the sides, ...er surfaces.
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After the week of consolidation once 100% colonization is achieved, take the cakes out of the jars, scrape off the dry verm layer, dunk and roll. That's the way everybody does it so I have no clue what you're referring to. Once it's time to fruit the cakes leave them on top of jar rings or scraps of tin foil to separate the cake from the perlite. That's all there's to it, very simple.
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Re: First attempt! [Re: Josex]
#23746509 - 10/17/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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double end casing is what I've been reading about. was just wondering if anyone's actually seen a positive effect. thanks man! you've answered alot of questions I've had haha. ^-^
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Dude yeah. Put a bit of verm on top of your cakes is good. Its best to get as much verm as you possibly can on the surface of your cakes. My cakes usually have a heap of verm sitting on top of them after my "roll" anyway.
The verm I have comes in a giant bag. What I do is after my dunk I dig a little hole in the bag of verm to plop my cake into. Then I bury my cake in the verm hole and gently press the verm onto the cake. Pull it out gently making sure to leave as much as you can on the cake.
You know you did a good job when you cant even see the cake under the layer of verm. Then I place in the sgfc for 6-8 hours to let the verm really stick (you can leave it longer if you like)
Be easy with your mister. Mist your cakes directly but not so close that the water shoots your verm layer off. The more water the verm sucks up the less likely it is to fall off your cakes.
Mist the fuck outta them till they glisten in the sun. You'll see beads of water in the verm layer. When your verm layer begins to dry out mist like that again. Remember evaporation is a pinning trigger but you dont want dry cakes either.
This is where youll find out how often you need to mist your cakes. Depending on the humidity of your fruiting chamber you may need to mist more often or less often. But your misting schedual will be different than anyone elses so to say you mist 3 times a day really means nothing. Keep that in mind.
I have given you way more information than I originally intended lol just getting carried away but there is so much crap advice out there. Make sure when youre using the search engine that you limit the posts to 2 or 3 years from now. Also the best way to get good current information is to participate in the forums. Read and ask questions in the threads on the front page.
In the meantime keep this thread updated with this grow lookin promising so far. I would suggest a slightly larger FC though
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alright, it's been two days, and they are still coming along beautifully, however I'm starting to see water droplets on the sides of them. probably a dumb question, but are they supposed to be there? here's the bathroom one ( my favorite so far)

next is the 3 that were in the box wrapped towel, now just sitting, soaking up the ambient sunlight.

the one that only has 1 point nocd

and the one I thought was taking it's time, which clearly it's not haha
 after they are fully colonized, and I let them sit a week, they should be thick white correct?
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Yeah beads of water is normal
Actually during the consolidation week the myc that you see probably won't change its look much. Unless it starts pinning
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ah ok right on. all the dunk and roll pix look like they are solid white cakes haha
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ComebackKid said: Yeah beads of water is normal
Actually during the consolidation week the myc that you see probably won't change its look much. Unless it starts pinning

The most you will see is maybe a slight shrinking off the walls after the cake begins to consolidate. Might not even see that...
Do you have your SGFC built yet?
The chamber is where 90% of the mistakes happen that cause failed grows.
If you have it built already you should post a picture! If your chamber is built to spec and is aye-okay you are definitely on the road to some fruits!
Those BRF jars look surprisingly healthy! Good job!
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Re: First attempt! [Re: morty422]
#23752200 - 10/19/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually during the consolidation week the myc that you see probably won't change its look much. Unless it starts pinning

The most you will see is maybe a slight shrinking off the walls after the cake begins to consolidate. Might not even see that...
Do you have your SGFC built yet?
The chamber is where 90% of the mistakes happen that cause failed grows.
If you have it built already you should post a picture! If your chamber is built to spec and is aye-okay you are definitely on the road to some fruits!
Those BRF jars look surprisingly healthy! Good job!
I do have it built already, it's on the first page, but here it is anyways haha

my only concern is it's a little shallow. 5 1/2 inches tall and 11 inches long I think I might go out and buy a bigger box just to be on the safe side
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My apologies - I confused your thread with another and missed it.
(I've been making a lot of rookie mistakes lately...I gotta step up my shroomery game.. ) All the comments are totally correct. Blackout's especially. I've done some seriously shallow tubs when I started off and they simply bent at the top just like the pics that were posted.
Looks like the only thing you have to do is wait. Give them a week to consolidate after you hit 100% and you'll be golden buddy! Remember to try and use the finest verm you can in your roll.
Comebackkid set you up with some solid advice up there.
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Re: First attempt! [Re: morty422]
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I'll keep this post updated as they grow up.(haha) I'm stocked that everyone says they seem to be doing really well! thanks everyone for your help / 2 cents, and check back from time to time to see progress! ^-^
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Re: First attempt! [Re: morty422]
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Oh trust me that myc is plenty white in there. The glass doesn't do it justice.
Make sure you wear some sunglasses when you birth those!
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alright, another question, since the chamber is shallow, should I attempt to cut cakes in half to shorten them? or just pay close attention to the humidity. I figure 3-4+ inches of perlite, makes for only 1 inch of free space, b3fore cakes are sitting on the perlite. oh man, the more I think about it now, the more I'm starting to get worried haha
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bleh, cut out my sentences... guess that's what the review is for haha. I meant should I attempt to cut cakes in half or just use less perlite and keep an eye on the humidity?
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my only concern is it's a little shallow. 5 1/2 inches tall and 11 inches long I think I might go out and buy a bigger box just to be on the safe side
Don't waste your time and money on building another FC. The chamber you got is going to do great as it is.
Mind you, there isn't even need for a chamber as long as you understand what the organism needs. Theoretically you could fruit a cake in open air, as long as you're willing to be a slave to it and mist everytime it gets dry. We build chambers to ensure that the organism gets enough FAE while at the same time maintaining a nice humid environment so that the cakes don't dry out so quickly and this frees us from having to mist very often...
I digress, that chamber you got is badass and it's gunna do great
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No man, there's plenty of space in there, I'd be surprised if the shrooms ever touched the lid. But it would not be a problem if they did, they'd just grow in another direction other than upwards. Don't over think this too much.
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SevrynSyn said: alright, another question, since the chamber is shallow, should I attempt to cut cakes in half to shorten them? or just pay close attention to the humidity. I figure 3-4+ inches of perlite, makes for only 1 inch of free space, b3fore cakes are sitting on the perlite. oh man, the more I think about it now, the more I'm starting to get worried haha
Keep them moistened properly - Don't over-mist... Fan the chamber lightly after you mist to allow non-humid air to enter and more water to evaporate. The surface humidity 1/2" off the cakes is what is important - not chamber humidity.
Misting properly and as needed will keep this micro-climate around the cakes at 90% + humidity.
Chamber can be at room temperature or even a bit colder. Cold is better than hot. Hot = Contaminants.
Make sure you have good air ventilation all around your chamber and your FAE will be optimal. Don't put a fan on the thing, just normal room circulation is fine.
I don't see any issues with your chamber... looks all good to me.
No need to slice your cakes-thats just another thing they will have to 'live-through'... Hope that helps!
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Re: First attempt! [Re: Josex]
#23752339 - 10/19/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just remember to put small pieces of tinfoil under you cakes. Don't put them directly on the perlite.
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Hah! 
Strange things happen when mycelium gets into perlite... hehe
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Re: First attempt! [Re: morty422]
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awesome. my mind is eased haha. thanks again guys! can't wait to show you all the fruits of these babies! ^-^
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UPDATE! alright so it's been three days since I last posted l, so I figured id update with these babies. jars one one through four are in the bathroom doing wonderful I draw lines to measure how much they grow in a day. Jar 5 is the jar I previously thought was taking its time seems to be keeping pace with the other four

BONUS

I figured I would try my hand at casing with the jar that only had one point nocd. It is however quarantined in case it takes a turn for the worst. I also found a container to make another FC although the top is opaque. There is also a humidifier in the room which keeps humidity as well as Temps optimal. If I keep humidity and temp up would I be able to pop the top and allow and ambient sunlight in? I get paid on Friday and plan on getting correct lighting.
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alright, I got three in the chamber!

and my casing is coming along nicely!
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Re: First attempt! [Re: Josex]
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alright! pinning has initiated! was worried for a little because the myc seemed fluffy.. which I thought was not enough FAE, so ive increased fanning to 4 to 5 times a day, and have brought back on misting to about 2 times a day and sure enough, BAM, results haha. so the cakes look like....

and my pure verm casing looks like...

super excited! I went the other day and collected some cow poo. both fresh and dried, and hope to use it in my next trials!
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alright guys, so this thread keeps getting longer lol and I apologize, however I need input once more... these guys all look ok to you?

mainly, I'm worried about this beast. am I making it unhappy? or its just kicking along fine?
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ComebackKid
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Re: First attempt! [Re: SevrynSyn] 1
#23801266 - 11/04/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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They look dry as fuck. Drench those beasts with a good misting and then start bottom watering those pins. Click the PF cake on the left of my signature and will link you to a quick way to start bottom watering 
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SevrynSyn
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Registered: 10/02/16
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awesome, I knew something was up thank you! great tek btw! should I pick off the bottom fruits? or will they be alright?
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mojo_jojo
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Not bad at all, look forward to seeing what you get.
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ComebackKid
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Leave the bottom fruits to grow, fo sho! 
EDIT: Remember to give a heavy misting whenever the beads of moisture start to dry up
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Edited by ComebackKid (11/04/16 10:19 PM)
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SevrynSyn
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Registered: 10/02/16
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Loc: Wyoming... yay....
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alright, so this big ol baddy needed to come off and can i say... ermahgawd haha

thanks come.back for the info, they are doing so much better!
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