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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #23741851 - 10/16/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

dam , considering you give them enough water, hmmm that's weird I have some indoor under CFLs and they love it... I really don't know what could it be... Rootbound? I was reading a while back that actually chlorine in the water can cause deformations, chlorosis , stunt growth, etc but I had salvia plants for years and I alway used just regular water... I do get sometimes some weird shaped or curled leaves but usually it's from sudden changes in the environment and the next generation of leaves is back to normal. I really don;t know what to say about your plant, looks like it is drying up , if it has enough water i really don;t know... did you fertilize? maybe too much fertilizer? overwatering?  not watering? bugs? bugs in the soil? there are many possibilities ....


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #23741961 - 10/16/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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jellyfish said:
Can you guys please give me so tips as to how my plants may have gone like this a few months ago:



To this:




I'm really worried. I put them in bigger pots with more perlite for drainage. They have some new nice growth at the base, thinking of cutting off these deformed leaves to give more light to the bottom leaves. Any advice appreciated greatly. I love these little guys.

edit: also in the past I have success taking salvia cuttings using a peat pellet in a humidity dome. Recently I did them in wet perlite and it worked but all my subsequent attempts failed and they dry out and die right away. From you guys experience what is the best way to take a cutting





Firstly how are your temps?
It looks to me that the roots are very unhappy, did you try feeding them any fertilizers?

If you didn't feed them any fertilizers and your temps are between 70-80 degrees ferenhiet I'd say it's from too much water.

It's imperative you let the soil dry up between waterings even for just a day. What cab happen is if the soil stays constantly wet your soil won't get any oxygen and it can go anaerobic pretty quick.

Without oxygen your microbes and your roots will die/rot.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: impaired420]
    #23742250 - 10/16/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Haven't been fertilizing because I recently put them in new soil. I did notice when I transplanted that some of the roots came off really easily, couldn't tell if they were rotton though but as I shook the soil off the roots would come off too. What kind of fert do you recomend. Temps are about room temp. Maybe slightly colder due to being in a basement, probably low of 18 C high of 24 C. I don't live with my plants and thus get my family to water them and more often then not, they let them dry out for days and then they start to completely die and it takes them a long time to recover. Working on moving my whole set up to where I live now. I'll remind them for the time being to let them be dry for a day. The reason I asked about cuttings is because in case these roots are shot, I don't want to have no salvia. So I want to know the best way to take cuttings from the healthiest parts of these plants. They were recently put in bigger pots with regular potting soil with twigs and shit removed and diluted heavily with perlite. I will go buy a fertilizer once I am recommended one. I use a dilute mixture of 10-52-10 for my cacti but obviously sages aren't cacti.

Thanks so much. I really want to save them and see them looking healthy. Remember summer just ended and the humidity has probably dropped recently due to that so that could be another factor.

But please if any body else wants to share cutting methods I'd appreciate it, otherwise it's jiffy pellets in a humidity dome.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #23742294 - 10/16/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't worry about fertilizer right now, seeing as it's not the issue IMO if they needed ferts they would be yellowish and pale looking.

If the roots where falling off with the dirt that's not a good sign.

I suspect you didn't have enough drainage at first and eventually the roots started suffering from it.

Let your family know to let them dry a day before watering.

The jiffy pellets in a humidity dome is fine but your plant is stressed and or dying the clones probably won't make it and add to the stress of the plants when you cut them.

Maybe just take one clone and try to just let the plants recover.

As far as fertilizer I use fish emulsion and kelp based fertilizers.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: impaired420]
    #23744479 - 10/17/16 04:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

New entry in log log



And getting cold so my mother plant is now inside, got aphids but survived fine before although needs tending to..


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: impaired420]
    #23744730 - 10/17/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

impaired420 said:
I wouldn't worry about fertilizer right now, seeing as it's not the issue IMO if they needed ferts they would be yellowish and pale looking.

If the roots where falling off with the dirt that's not a good sign.

I suspect you didn't have enough drainage at first and eventually the roots started suffering from it.

Let your family know to let them dry a day before watering.

The jiffy pellets in a humidity dome is fine but your plant is stressed and or dying the clones probably won't make it and add to the stress of the plants when you cut them.

Maybe just take one clone and try to just let the plants recover.

As far as fertilizer I use fish emulsion and kelp based fertilizers.




Thanks so much. Selling salvia plants is illegal here so I wanted to make cuttings just as a noahs ark type deall.  Turns out I had 2 family members watering. I couldn't even water my peyotes yesterday since the run off from the salvia overy watering had been enough to bottom water my yotes to the point where the top layer of soil was soaking.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #23744964 - 10/17/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

jellyfish said:
Quote:

impaired420 said:
I wouldn't worry about fertilizer right now, seeing as it's not the issue IMO if they needed ferts they would be yellowish and pale looking.

If the roots where falling off with the dirt that's not a good sign.

I suspect you didn't have enough drainage at first and eventually the roots started suffering from it.

Let your family know to let them dry a day before watering.

The jiffy pellets in a humidity dome is fine but your plant is stressed and or dying the clones probably won't make it and add to the stress of the plants when you cut them.

Maybe just take one clone and try to just let the plants recover.

As far as fertilizer I use fish emulsion and kelp based fertilizers.




Thanks so much. Selling salvia plants is illegal here so I wanted to make cuttings just as a noahs ark type deall.  Turns out I had 2 family members watering. I couldn't even water my peyotes yesterday since the run off from the salvia overy watering had been enough to bottom water my yotes to the point where the top layer of soil was soaking.





Hey no problem.
Ouch yeah I understand your angst.

Definitely sounds like they're being over watered.
I usually water until a tiny amount comes out the bottom, no more than than.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: impaired420]
    #23745022 - 10/17/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The watering was enough I couldn't water my cacti yesterday because the ones in smaller clay pots were soaking wet. And I don't use tap water on my cacti like I do my sages. I moved them to a different shelf and told my mum and brother to not water unless they're dry, because they both water every couple days and sometimes accidentally soak them both in a short time period. I also said they don't necessarily need to pour enough for water to come out drainage holes.

Since the roots might be rotted, I want to try to take a solid cutting just so I don't lost my plants. Also because its roots will not be rotten.

To amend what I said before, I had 4 salvias in pots. All were root bound. For 3 I just put them in bigger pots with fresh promix bullshit soil with time release nutes because the store didn't sell anything less dumb. Even the perlite came with added nutrients (WTF?) and now I can't use it for mycology (I don't think I'll ever use perlite in mycology again though, monotubs baby). For the last one, I trimmed the root mass considerably (when I noticed it didn't take much effort to remove the roots, suggesting they could be rotten. I then trimmed off a lot of the leaves (the one with almost no leaves, went a bit nuts on the trimming but wanted the plant to have a smaller demand for water as I removed most of its roots, to balance it. In the past this has caused my salvias to bounce back despite people telling me to never trim the roots. Sorry if I've repeated myself I'm a big groggy just one more thought.

I keep my salvias at the front of my garden so that my family can see if they need water (usually they are over watered or so under watered they're lying at a 90 degree angle and take months to recover) but I can't complain too much, my hobby, not theirs. Just wondering if perhaps since I fertilize and water all my cacti evey 2 weeks, if perhaps salvia doesn't like to be jostled and should be kept somewhere where I don't have to pick up the pots and move them every time I need to get to the cacti behind.

I don't have a lot more garden space now. Planting some trich and peyote seedlings and also just made some more dream herb clones so I'm struggling to tetris everything together in a way where I can have seedlings in my big tray on a heating mat and also have my little potted cacti not anywhere near possible runoff from waterings. My peyotes soil was soaked because my mum and brother watered the salvias twice in the same day and the yotes are in such small clay pots that they dry out super fast. Because I only noticed this after I had to toss the cacti fertilizer solution I had made which goes bad really quick with algae and shit.

Going to look into kelp and fish emulsion as soon as this watering issue is taken care of. I just have no space where I live even less money to buy more lights and the temps in my apartment fluctuates insanely and a glass of water evaporates in a couple hours because my grandparents get sick if its humid or cold so heat and dehumidifier on 24/7.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: impaired420]
    #23745079 - 10/17/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Somebody correct me if Im wrong but I was under the impression that as long as you have well draining soil its best to make sure all of the soil is completely saturated so that the roots will spread out as well as down.

I know at least for grass shallow roots are not a good thing so I would imagine this might have a similar negative effect of plants as well.

The roots spread out to find/collect water and nutrients so if you want a healthy root system to me it would make sense to saturate all the soil properly as long as the excess water can easily drain out and like already mentioned allow the soil to dry out around an inch from the top down before re watering.

I usually soak the soil very well all the way around the pot then I lift the pot up so that all the excess water can quickly & easily drain out then when the flow of water is reduced to a trickle I set the plant down and move to the next one.

On another note fertilizers are not necessary when using fresh soil, whether it be for a seedling, cutting or a transplanted plant because the dirt it self has enough goods in it to hold the plant over for a while.

Like also already stated, the plants will let you know once they need nutrients so when using fresh soil dont add any extra nutrients until the plants ask for them to prevent burning or locking up the roots due to excess salts.

Im no expert so any body please correct me if Im wrong.

I took a Horticulture/Nursery Management class way back when and Im not even sure I remember correctly. (But Im pretty certain this is correct)



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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #23745122 - 10/17/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

lol this is off topic, but Jellyfish, what is the first picture in your sig? Is that DMT? Such a beautiful pic dude, gives goosebumps...


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #23745164 - 10/17/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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The watering was enough I couldn't water my cacti yesterday because the ones in smaller clay pots were soaking wet. And I don't use tap water on my cacti like I do my sages. I moved them to a different shelf and told my mum and brother to not water unless they're dry, because they both water every couple days and sometimes accidentally soak them both in a short time period. I also said they don't necessarily need to pour enough for water to come out drainage holes.

Since the roots might be rotted, I want to try to take a solid cutting just so I don't lost my plants. Also because its roots will not be rotten.

To amend what I said before, I had 4 salvias in pots. All were root bound. For 3 I just put them in bigger pots with fresh promix bullshit soil with time release nutes because the store didn't sell anything less dumb. Even the perlite came with added nutrients (WTF?) and now I can't use it for mycology (I don't think I'll ever use perlite in mycology again though, monotubs baby). For the last one, I trimmed the root mass considerably (when I noticed it didn't take much effort to remove the roots, suggesting they could be rotten. I then trimmed off a lot of the leaves (the one with almost no leaves, went a bit nuts on the trimming but wanted the plant to have a smaller demand for water as I removed most of its roots, to balance it. In the past this has caused my salvias to bounce back despite people telling me to never trim the roots. Sorry if I've repeated myself I'm a big groggy just one more thought.

I keep my salvias at the front of my garden so that my family can see if they need water (usually they are over watered or so under watered they're lying at a 90 degree angle and take months to recover) but I can't complain too much, my hobby, not theirs. Just wondering if perhaps since I fertilize and water all my cacti evey 2 weeks, if perhaps salvia doesn't like to be jostled and should be kept somewhere where I don't have to pick up the pots and move them every time I need to get to the cacti behind.

I don't have a lot more garden space now. Planting some trich and peyote seedlings and also just made some more dream herb clones so I'm struggling to tetris everything together in a way where I can have seedlings in my big tray on a heating mat and also have my little potted cacti not anywhere near possible runoff from waterings. My peyotes soil was soaked because my mum and brother watered the salvias twice in the same day and the yotes are in such small clay pots that they dry out super fast. Because I only noticed this after I had to toss the cacti fertilizer solution I had made which goes bad really quick with algae and shit.

Going to look into kelp and fish emulsion as soon as this watering issue is taken care of. I just have no space where I live even less money to buy more lights and the temps in my apartment fluctuates insanely and a glass of water evaporates in a couple hours because my grandparents get sick if its humid or cold so heat and dehumidifier on 24/7.




I feel your pain brother, I just went through the same slew of emotions due to these wanna be gardening stores.

I went to the local gardening store and they only hard Miracle Grow potting mix, composted manure, or plain old potting soil.

I couldnt believe this, there were no decent potting mixs at all and like you said even the perlite had stuff added to it... And guess what brand it was?... Miracle Grow

So I looked up a hydroponics equipment store and they have real options.

If they dont have it they can order it for you, just ask them for a catalog and make an order, usually they only require you to leave a down payment to make sure you actually go through with the purchase and you pay the balance once you pick the item up.

I got Foxfarm soil its great fluffy drains well it's organic and surprisingly enough it was even cheaper than the plain potting soil crap the local gardening store was selling, this stuff is the perfect blend for most plants I grow.

They also sell or can order you the plain perlite you need in either fine, medium, or coarse.

Dont be afraid to ask if they have any sample products at that time.The guy I dealt with gave me a whole box full of sample bags of coarse perlite, about 2 quarts of perlite each bag 8 bags total, because I told him I was strapped for cash and I only needed to buy a small bag. So I turned out not needing to buy any perlite. Also in the past I had another guy give me a few lil containers of different brands of rooting hormone gel.

Sorry for the rant but I figured this might help you.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23745270 - 10/17/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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MysticMoteToter said:
lol this is off topic, but Jellyfish, what is the first picture in your sig? Is that DMT? Such a beautiful pic dude, gives goosebumps...



I PM'd him the same question like a week ago or something lol :lol:

And ye it is :lmafo:

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
    #23745403 - 10/17/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

ThUmB pRiNt said:
Somebody correct me if Im wrong but I was under the impression that as long as you have well draining soil its best to make sure all of the soil is completely saturated so that the roots will spread out as well as down.

I know at least for grass shallow roots are not a good thing so I would imagine this might have a similar negative effect of plants as well.

The roots spread out to find/collect water and nutrients so if you want a healthy root system to me it would make sense to saturate all the soil properly as long as the excess water can easily drain out and like already mentioned allow the soil to dry out around an inch from the top down before re watering.

I usually soak the soil very well all the way around the pot then I lift the pot up so that all the excess water can quickly & easily drain out then when the flow of water is reduced to a trickle I set the plant down and move to the next one.

On another note fertilizers are not necessary when using fresh soil, whether it be for a seedling, cutting or a transplanted plant because the dirt it self has enough goods in it to hold the plant over for a while.

Like also already stated, the plants will let you know once they need nutrients so when using fresh soil dont add any extra nutrients until the plants ask for them to prevent burning or locking up the roots due to excess salts.

Im no expert so any body please correct me if Im wrong.

I took a Horticulture/Nursery Management class way back when and Im not even sure I remember correctly. (But Im pretty certain this is correct)



:2cents:





Love & Light





It's always been in my practice to NOT water the entire soil when you transplant/have a small plant in a large pot.

The reason is because when there isn't any water for the roots, they will grow outwards in search of water. When the soil is always wet the roots won't have much motivation to stretch out in search of water.

I just moved a clone from a cup to a 3 gallon pot and have been only watering where the roots where at and slowly extend the area I water about 2 inches a week.

She's been in the new pot for almost a month and I'm still not watering the entire pot, just where I suspect roots too be.

That's just my understanding anyway.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: impaired420]
    #23746064 - 10/17/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My leaves seem to be curling or folding slightly and in very small sections turning a yellow color. Its still growing pretty fast, is it alright? Sorry I'm a noob to this


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    #23746578 - 10/17/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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1314697 said:
My leaves seem to be curling or folding slightly and in very small sections turning a yellow color. Its still growing pretty fast, is it alright? Sorry I'm a noob to this





Can you add any pictures?
It'll be easier to guess what the issue could be with some photos.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: MysticMoteToter] * 1
    #23746720 - 10/17/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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lol this is off topic, but Jellyfish, what is the first picture in your sig? Is that DMT? Such a beautiful pic dude, gives goosebumps...




they're all DMT except obviously the torchs

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
    #23746729 - 10/17/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Sorry for the rant but I figured this might help you.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #23746841 - 10/17/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

jellyfish said:
Quote:

MysticMoteToter said:
lol this is off topic, but Jellyfish, what is the first picture in your sig? Is that DMT? Such a beautiful pic dude, gives goosebumps...




they're all DMT except obviously the torchs



nice! all those are gorgeous, but the first one looks absolutely majestic.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: impaired420]
    #23747203 - 10/17/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

ThUmB pRiNt said:
Somebody correct me if Im wrong but I was under the impression that as long as you have well draining soil its best to make sure all of the soil is completely saturated so that the roots will spread out as well as down.

I know at least for grass shallow roots are not a good thing so I would imagine this might have a similar negative effect of plants as well.

The roots spread out to find/collect water and nutrients so if you want a healthy root system to me it would make sense to saturate all the soil properly as long as the excess water can easily drain out and like already mentioned allow the soil to dry out around an inch from the top down before re watering.

I usually soak the soil very well all the way around the pot then I lift the pot up so that all the excess water can quickly & easily drain out then when the flow of water is reduced to a trickle I set the plant down and move to the next one.

On another note fertilizers are not necessary when using fresh soil, whether it be for a seedling, cutting or a transplanted plant because the dirt it self has enough goods in it to hold the plant over for a while.

Like also already stated, the plants will let you know once they need nutrients so when using fresh soil dont add any extra nutrients until the plants ask for them to prevent burning or locking up the roots due to excess salts.

Im no expert so any body please correct me if Im wrong.

I took a Horticulture/Nursery Management class way back when and Im not even sure I remember correctly. (But Im pretty certain this is correct)



:2cents:





Love & Light





It's always been in my practice to NOT water the entire soil when you transplant/have a small plant in a large pot.

The reason is because when there isn't any water for the roots, they will grow outwards in search of water. When the soil is always wet the roots won't have much motivation to stretch out in search of water.

I just moved a clone from a cup to a 3 gallon pot and have been only watering where the roots where at and slowly extend the area I water about 2 inches a week.

She's been in the new pot for almost a month and I'm still not watering the entire pot, just where I suspect roots too be.

That's just my understanding anyway.





Experiment time!

As soon as I can I will do some side by side comparisons.

Im starting some Columbine McKana's Giants MC seeds I got recently. I will try the side be side with these little guys and Ill post my results in a separate thread.

Thanks for your input Impaired, its always welcome.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
    #23747311 - 10/17/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I always water in a wet/dry cycle, letting the soil dry to the point before the plant starts to wilt then water the outside edge of the pot, make those roots work for it :hehehe:  When the soil drys up a bit the roots get good oxygen, and do reach for the water/nutes.
There was a time lapse video of roots growing on a plant documentary, they looked like they were an animal searching, when they hit something they liked they slowed down and fed.


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