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Joust
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canid said: That may be the case but I still don't have the information to accept or reject the notion. You likely know I'm slow to accept changes and that I'm poor with retention is as likely an explanation as any.
Nothing has been published about it, but all the DNA sequences for P. semilanceata / P. strictipes have turned out the same. The microscopic differences are tiny and overlapping. It's just that P. semilanceata is a little more variable than some authors thought.
Thanks alan!
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Re: Pnw active [Re: Joust]
#23780330 - 10/28/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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#23780361 - 10/28/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Pnw active [Re: Joust]
#23780378 - 10/28/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Holy fucking smokes, those are cool. The stems are super unique looking. I really doubt they are liberty caps.
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Dare I say P. tasmaniana?
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In the PNW? P. tasmaniana isn't a valid species, it's synonymous with Psilocybe subaeruginosa.
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No, P. tasmaniana is NOT synonymous with P. subaeruginosa, they are entirely different species. 
When I first saw images of NothingsChanged's unknown Psilocybe sp. I thought hey, these actually might be P. tasmaniana, but I did not speak up because I was second guessing myself, and I still am, this is merely a guess and I'm daring to state this, but I'm just saying these look sort of the same as P. tasmaniana. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23524003#23524003
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Found a page in my gallery with some pretty cool P.tasmaniana pics.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23524078#23524078
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Few more P.tasmaniana.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_subaeruginosa
'A 1992 study of comparative morphology, isozyme analysis and mating compatibility approaches suggested that P. australiana, P. eucalypta and P. tasmaniana are synonyms of this species.'
Anyway this is way off topic for this thread, Australian mushrooms don't grow in Washington unless someone put them there. If you'd like to discuss this more I suggest we do it elsewhere.
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maynardjameskeenan said: In the PNW? P. tasmaniana isn't a valid species, it's synonymous with Psilocybe subaeruginosa.

The pics I posted were from last week
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Re: Pnw active [Re: Joust]
#23781436 - 10/28/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i want to say that stuff being called grass is actually straw that was brought in to cover the exposed earth which is required at all new construction sites. Habitat restorations included. Run off and erosion control. could of came in on the Straw?
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NothingsChanged said: i want to say that stuff being called grass is actually straw that was brought in to cover the exposed earth which is required at all new construction sites. Habitat restorations included. Run off and erosion control. could of came in on the Straw?
Nah, im talking about those big ripped up chunks of grass. And that weird ground cover that is a pea.
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Re: Pnw active [Re: Joust]
#23781580 - 10/28/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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maynardjameskeenan said: In the PNW? P. tasmaniana isn't a valid species, it's synonymous with Psilocybe subaeruginosa.

The pics I posted were from last week
Well I tried.  If inski doesn't get in to confirm this after a few days I'll pm him to check this post out. You guys should probably check out the links above Heyowana's images of P. tasmaniana that I posted. You guys are trusted identifiers, you should know P. tasmaniana is a legit species.
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Off topic I know but yes, Psilocybe tasmaniana is certainly a valid species and not synonymous with P. subaeruginosa.
I think it's very likely that the species in Jousts images is P. semilanceata.
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maynardjameskeenan said: Anyway this is way off topic for this thread, Australian mushrooms don't grow in Washington unless someone put them there.
I know it says that P. subaeruginosa and P. tasmaniana is synonymous on wikipidea, but alot of things on wikipedia are false.
I don't know, perhaps at one point P. subaeruginosa was published as P. tasmaniana, but I'm informing you the fact that they are actually different species, state otherwise and you are just incorrect, and a TI to boot, read the links I'm dropping.
First of all, this is on topic as the mushrooms in question look like P. tasmaniana.
Second of all, the species was brought to attention recently by Bagels in this thread, read in back to front if you want to understand more about the species. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23221082#23221082
The only known range of this mushroom is NZ and Australia, WHO KNOWS if it's in the PNW, no one really knows shit about this mushroom species, as clearly demonstrated by you two. 
and NO P. tasmaniana is NOT P. suberuginosa, P. tasmaniana and P. subaeruginosa are two completely separate species.
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Re: Pnw active [Re: inski]
#23781608 - 10/29/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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inski said: Off topic I know but yes, Psilocybe tasmaniana is certainly a valid species and not synonymous with P. subaeruginosa.
I think it's very likely that the species in Jousts images is P. semilanceata.
You reckon they are P. semilanceata inski?
I reckon they resemble P. tasmaniana. 
Either way, can't wait until someone does the scope work to find the truth!
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Re: Pnw active [Re: inski]
#23781609 - 10/29/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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inski said: Off topic I know but yes, Psilocybe tasmaniana is certainly a valid species and not synonymous with P. subaeruginosa.
I think it's very likely that the species in Jousts images is P. semilanceata.
Do you have any evidence? last i knew..... Re-Examination of Psilocybe-Subaeruginosa and Related Species with Comparative Morphology Isozymes and Mating Compatibility Studies
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Joust
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AllDay420 said:
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maynardjameskeenan said: Anyway this is way off topic for this thread, Australian mushrooms don't grow in Washington unless someone put them there.
I know it says that P. subaeruginosa and P. tasmaniana is synonymous on wikipidea, but alot of things on wikipedia are false.
I don't know, perhaps at one point P. subaeruginosa was published as P. tasmaniana, but I'm informing you the fact that they are actually different species, state otherwise and you are just incorrect, and a TI to boot, read the links I'm dropping.
First of all, this is on topic as the mushrooms in question look like P. tasmaniana.
Second of all, the species was brought to attention recently by Bagels in this thread, read in back to front if you want to understand more about the species. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23221082#23221082
The only known range of this mushroom is NZ and Australia, WHO KNOWS if it's in the PNW, no one really knows shit about this mushroom species, as clearly demonstrated by you two. 
and NO P. tasmaniana is NOT P. suberuginosa, P. tasmaniana and P. subaeruginosa are two completely separate species.
Wiki is a great source when they have citations. that quote was based on a whole study.... Its not in the PNW, we would have seen it by now... the reasonable assumption is that its variable liberty caps.. mostly because I see so much variability in its sister species P. pelliculosa... the different forms are incredible..
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Re: Pnw active [Re: Joust]
#23781624 - 10/29/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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inski said: Off topic I know but yes, Psilocybe tasmaniana is certainly a valid species and not synonymous with P. subaeruginosa.
I think it's very likely that the species in Jousts images is P. semilanceata.
Do you have any evidence? Re-Examination of Psilocybe-Subaeruginosa and Related Species with Comparative Morphology Isozymes and Mating Compatibility Studies
Yes, Alan has the DNA data, you can see how they are separate species in the link below. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23190796#23190796
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Re: Pnw active [Re: Joust]
#23781626 - 10/29/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah agreed, citations indicate further legitimate reading more often than not.
Yeah, I thought that P. tasmaniana may have been published as a synonym for P. subaeruginosa or been called P. subaeruginosa at one point, I don't know, if that is the case I would like to see the study or reference.
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Re: Pnw active [Re: inski]
#23781627 - 10/29/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joust, I'd closely compare these samples with data from P. silvatica also.
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