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What did I smoke? DMT
#23742626 - 10/16/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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A little bit long, but would greatly appreciate the advise if you're well versed with DMT. You can skip to the end to my questions if you'd like.
My only experience(s) with DMT have been with a previous batch from the street with no known knowledge in the method of extraction/materials used (street DMT) it was yellow, chunky and very stinky (the smell DMT usually has but very pungent)
I smoked 15mg to 20mg a few times to get the feel of it and all were good, I had my eyes open for most trials but never had any visuals besides a little haziness, similar to low doses of LSD, accompanied by the "hum" of the universe to start most of them off which silences your outside reality and brings you inside, never really any insight or anything just minor general effects and minor peace. Experiences were very short lived (2-5 min)
I thought to myself, well it's time to breakthrough then. The doses im taking are way too small to have any effect worth while.
Waited til the next day and loaded up two slants of 20mg(40mg total) and got ready to release and give myself up to the all that is.
On a quartz nail I slanted the first 20mg, inhaled and held as I heated up the nail again (7 seconds) exhaled and went in on the other 20mg. I hold it for 5 seconds (as much as my lungs could hold)
Closed my eyes, and prepared to give it all up, I was ready to be shown the truth. Heart rate is very high, I'm shaking and nervous. The intensity begins to build and overtake me, the only visual I experience is a dark partial purple mandala with eyes closed, by this point I am losing track of my heart beat and I have lost track of my breath (functions that are suppose to keep you alive are fading) the body sensation at this point became so overwhelming and unnerving of discomforting intensity I had to open my eyes just to hang on, there was no visuals, the same haziness as the lower doses but intensified, except I was paralyzed and lost in terror, nausea overtook me, every cell in my body exploded and I evaporated to the bleak nothingness of my hell. The sensation was relatable to overheating to death - I accepted my death as I stared into the sky and evaporated.
I came back down only which felt like 5 minutes later sweat poured over my body and I hacked up a yellow phlegm ball from the disgusting DMT.
Obviously, I smoked impure DMT most likely traced with other alkaloids.
My question is, is my experience usual or normal? Are the effects I experienced related to dosage (40mg) why was there such a lack of visuals, insight, or anything. It was nothing but bleakness of death and hell.
I feel like it had high traces of 5 meo dmt or was completely laced with Lye and I poisoned myself.(the sensation of overheating to death)
I have summed up the courage to try DMT again, but until that time comes I need more information from my previous experience.
Recently I extracted my own DMT from MHRB which is a beautiful sparkly white absent of smell.
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I kept about 5mg left over in a vial, and months and months later it went from being yellow/orange to red, it just smells like something you don't wanna smoke. I'm assuming it was jungle spice
Does anyone know of the alkaloid/experience difference that wants to chime in.
The 40mg shattered me, and made me rethink even trying DMT again, I doubt the pure white crystalline could do that to me though
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Eclipse3130 said: .....Obviously, I smoked impure DMT most likely traced with other alkaloids.
My question is, is my experience usual or normal? Are the effects I experienced related to dosage (40mg) why was there such a lack of visuals, insight, or anything. It was nothing but bleakness of death and hell.
I feel like it had high traces of 5 meo dmt or was completely laced with Lye and I poisoned myself.(the sensation of overheating to death)
I have summed up the courage to try DMT again, but until that time comes I need more information from my previous experience.
What leads you to believe it was impure and had traces of other alkaloids?
I've had a few experiences with DMT where the visual component wasn't pronounced at all while the experience was still rather intense, where I'm more lost/detached in a void of thought rather than observing visuals .
I don't expect much insight at all from smoked dmt, at least not in the same ways as a long proper mushroom or LSD trip....A full on DMT experience is so rapid & shattering/powerful there's not much time/room for much insight to take place IMO and experience. And often times the experience can be on the verge of amnesia inducing, the only thing that can be remembered is fragments....taking dmt orally in combination with the harmalas is where much more "insight" can happen, where one is in that space longer and not so far out that they can't think/process/integrate & take something back from the experience.
I don't think mimosa bark has much or any 5-meo-dmt in it...I know one can do another pull after the extracting is done, using a different solvent than naptha, and that will pull out some other tryptamine alkaloid(s)...but those alkaloids shouldn't be pulled out with the naptha, at least not beyond trace amounts, and if so they shouldn't influence the experience all that much.
If the stuff was laced with lye, you would likely know right away...I suspect it would be incredibly harsh and your throat/lungs would be in pain for hours or a few days after. You said you did the extraction yourself, so you should know how clean your material is .
Sensations such as feeling like you're overheating could just be a physical side-effect/response of the whole ordeal....it's a pretty shocking experience to the mind. I've never felt hot or sweaty from smoked DMT, but more than 1/2 the time I feel incredibly cold once I've come back down, like severe shivering for 3 to 5 minutes regardless how warm or cold it is where I'm at. I know sweating profusely and feeling super hot is pretty common with smoked salvia, but I don't think either of the two hit much of the same receptor sites. I personally wouldn't be too concerned if I became really hot/sweaty from smoking the stuff, but that's just me .
Anyway...To me, nothing really stands out from your description of what happened as being askew or way out of the ordinary. I don't think there's anything as a "normal" dmt trip. IME with it, each experience has been different. Lots of similar themes, and the general things like the initial bodily sensations are always the same, but there's a broad spectrum of things that can go down with smoked DMT. I don't have any expectations when I take a good rip of the stuff.
And maybe try smoking it with a pipe/bowl next time around rather than dabbing it, so it's not such a rapid punch of DMT into your noggin'....the few times I've dabbed DMT it was such a quick overload of DMT that I instantly blacked out as soon as I exhaled my hit, I don't recall any part of the experience what so ever, and came back to semi-consciousness a few minutes later realizing I had been rolling/flailing around in my tent wildly while I was "blacked out".
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Re: What did I smoke? DMT [Re: openmind]
#23743145 - 10/16/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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First, thank you for the very well thought out response! I greatly appreciate it.
I think you missed a few parts though as I said you could skip to the end and you probably did not read through it all properly but that is okay!
The DMT I smoked was not made myself. I bought it off the street; I just properly made some for the first time last week, here are the pictures of the stuff I smoked, to the stuff I made. I kept a small amount in a vial and it actually turned red over time, it was yellow/orange and very stinky. My new white DMT has no odor.
 
I have no clue what that product was made from is what I was getting it, I didn't make it myself. And yes it was harsh on the lungs, as I coughed up yellow phlegm after and I think for a day or so after. It also carried intense nausea with the experience. If that is what DMT is suppose to be like nobody would like it.
I know what I smoked was not pure NN-DMT I can put it that way, I'm pretty sure it was Jungle Spice, which basically has very little to no traces of NN DMT, but a jumble of other alkaloids and I'm guessing the guy that made it did not recrystallize or clean it in any way.
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Eclipse3130 said: I kept about 5mg left over in a vial, and months and months later it went from being yellow/orange to red, it just smells like something you don't wanna smoke. I'm assuming it was jungle spice
Does anyone know of the alkaloid/experience difference that wants to chime in.
The 40mg shattered me, and made me rethink even trying DMT again, I doubt the pure white crystalline could do that to me though
Color change isn't uncommon as the stuff sits around if it's not kept away from exposure to air.
Pretty certain jungle spice will be a gooey/oily like consistency, and not crystalline/powdery.
Why do you doubt that white crystalline material would not catalyze the same type of shattering experience?...that's kinda the nature of DMT in general.
The yellow color of DMT often just comes from residual oils/fats & tannins, they're not going to influence the experience but can make the smoke/vapor a bit harsher.
I recently smoked some waxy/granular yellow/orange dmt, and later that day and the next day smoked some white/clear crystalline dmt....no difference between the two besides the yellow stuff being a little harsher, which I suspect is from the waxy/fats than the other stuff. Also, the yellow stuff had a sharper & more pungent smell.
Lots of people actually prefer the yellow stuff over white/clear.
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What did I smoke? DMT [Re: openmind]
#23743162 - 10/16/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: I kept about 5mg left over in a vial, and months and months later it went from being yellow/orange to red, it just smells like something you don't wanna smoke. I'm assuming it was jungle spice
Does anyone know of the alkaloid/experience difference that wants to chime in.
The 40mg shattered me, and made me rethink even trying DMT again, I doubt the pure white crystalline could do that to me though
Pretty certain jungle spice will be a gooey/oily like consistency, and not crystalline/powdery.
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It was maybe you missed my post just a couple minutes ago, I posted some pics. Of the stuff I smoked(no clue where it came from or who made it) to the stuff I made just a few days ago.
Sorry my wording was confusing in the original post. I'm referencing this experience to some jungle spice I had, nothing to the sparkly white DMT i have made. I have *not* tried it yet. I'm trying to find out what I smoked previously. As I am pretty sure it was not totally NN DMT. It felt like poison honestly.
~ I fixed the original post by moving one sentence, you can read it again if you'd like and it should made sense this time. 
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Eclipse3130 said: First, thank you for the very well thought out response! I greatly appreciate it.
I think you missed a few parts though as I said you could skip to the end and you probably did not read through it all properly but that is okay!
The DMT I smoked was not made myself. I bought it off the street; I just properly made some for the first time last week, here are the pictures of the stuff I smoked, to the stuff I made. I kept a small amount in a vial and it actually turned red over time, it was yellow/orange and very stinky. My new white DMT has no odor.
 
I have no clue what that product was made from is what I was getting it, I didn't make it myself. And yes it was harsh on the lungs, as I coughed up yellow phlegm after and I think for a day or so after. It also carried intense nausea with the experience. If that is what DMT is suppose to be like nobody would like it.
I know what I smoked was not pure NN-DMT I can put it that way, I'm pretty sure it was Jungle Spice, which basically has very little to no traces of NN DMT, but a jumble of other alkaloids and I'm guessing the guy that made it did not recrystallize or clean it in any way.
Ah I gotcha...yea I didn't read/interpret your OP the right way.
The stuff you originally smoked could have very well not been cleaned up the best and that's why it wasn't crystalline (I've seen stuff that had traces/specs of the basic soup and it turned out how you described), and/or was actually jungle spice which does have a much different demeanor to it than nn-DMT. I've only smoked the "jungle spice" stuff once before, and while similar to nn-dmt in the ways of it having that tryptamine feel, it was most definitely "heavier", less visual, more load on the body. This was years ago and when I didn't have much other experience to compare it to, so I can't really elaborate beyond that.
Nausea isn't totally unheard of from smoked nn-dmt...but is not a common happening.
Now that you've gone through this not so pleasant experience, I'm curious to hear how things go for you when ever you get around to using your own extracted material....Safe travels .
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Re: What did I smoke? DMT [Re: openmind]
#23743303 - 10/16/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guarantee nothing can be worse than that experience. I'm diving right in with confidence when the time is right. Thank you for the help! I'm sure the lessened body load, nausea, and throat pain will make it that much easier to relax, and let go. I had anxiety because my body was violently uncomfortable, I couldnt let go - let alone whatever the fuck else I smoked in there. 
I will go with the pipe route as you have suggested dabbing it is quite insane.. lol
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If you don't wash the product with non sudsy ammonia, usually it will be yellow in color.. The ammonia wash is supposed to get rid of the impurities and leave you with pure white crystalline.. Honestly though I have never felt any difference in experience with stuff I washed and stuff I didn't wash.. Did it smell like new shoes? This is an indication it wasn't ammonia washed..
A good DMT experience is EXTREMELY visual.. As well as a massive body load, at least in my experience with is at least 200 occasions over the years.. It feels like being strapped to the space shuttle.. And the visuals I get are hard to describe but it's like looking into an extremely vivid kaliedascope that is constantly shifting, changing color, coming at you from every direction.. It's very chaotic really.. Even now I still have to psyche myself up to do it and I'll sit there with the pipe loaded and say to myself why the fuck am I doing this over and over lol.. But when you take the 2-3 tokes and you are hurtling up into space, reality as you know it is GONE... For at least 5 minutes lol..
I've never weighed out a dose and seem to do just fine.. At one point I had so much of it I filled a vial of it, and heated it with a lighter from outside and it liquifued then turned into a very hard and stable rock like substance that was much easier to chip off and use.. Normal crystal DMT will absorb right into your skin (inactive of course) and be gone.. The rocks are much more managable.. But keep in mind I only did this because I had quite a bit and had the luxury to try..
You'll know when you get some good shit.. Believe me.. It's totally unmistakable..
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I will go with the pipe route as you have suggested dabbing it is quite insane.. lol


Yea, dabbing works very well when it's done just right, since an entire dose can be taken with one single inhalation. Nothing wrong with using this route and it's actually something I suggest to people that have had "failed launches" and difficulty getting "out there"....But it's even that much more "shattering" to one's reality....Like I mentioned, I blacked out completely the 2nd time I did it (this is one situation where I really do advise people to have a sitter around just to move the smoking apparatus with the searing hot nail away from the person that just inhaled the DMT....if I didn't have someone to do this for me that 2nd time I dabbed the stuff, I would have for sure knocked the rig over and rolled all over the hot nail at one point or another while my body was spazzing out while I was blacked out)
A weed pipe can be a lot more gentle going into it, comes on just a little bit slower and stretched out, but the experience is still not really what I'd consider "gentle" ...if that makes sense. I usually get my dose within two to three tokes when using a weed pipe.
A bong is somewhere between a weed pipe and dabbing, as far as the intensity/quickness of that initial surge/rush into what ever is going to happen...I always get my dose within one to two tokes when using a bong.
Regardless of what method is used....each way will still do the trick .
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Space Coast Slayer said: ...A good DMT experience is EXTREMELY visual.. As well as a massive body load, at least in my experience with is at least 200 occasions over the years.. It feels like being strapped to the space shuttle.. And the visuals I get are hard to describe but it's like looking into an extremely vivid kaliedascope that is constantly shifting, changing color, coming at you from every direction.. It's very chaotic really.. Even now I still have to psyche myself up to do it and I'll sit there with the pipe loaded and say to myself why the fuck am I doing this over and over lol.. But when you take the 2-3 tokes and you are hurtling up into space, reality as you know it is GONE... For at least 5 minutes lol..
I concur with a lot of that.
IME...I don't quite consider it to have a "body load". But the sensations and physical/tactile feels through out the body are incredibly intense, and can be alarming for sure. It's very euphoric in relatively small dosage, but gets overwhelming pretty quickly as dosage is increased.
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I've never weighed out a dose and seem to do just fine.. At one point I had so much of it I filled a vial of it, and heated it with a lighter from outside and it liquifued then turned into a very hard and stable rock like substance that was much easier to chip off and use.
I've actually never weighed out my doses with DMT either, always just eye balled it. I now use a small wooden spoon as my "unit of measurement", and only just recently, out of curiosity, weighed out what a full scoop of that spoon weighs with a friends scale (around 100mg). When using a weed pipe, since it's not the most efficient method and since I want to put a bit extra just to make sure "something happens", I usually put around 50mg to 80mg at least.
If using a bong, I'd use almost 1/2 of that . If dabbing, a little less than 1/2 of that.
And though it wasn't done intentionally...I have had DMT melt on me when it's inside a container that got too hot, then solidified into a nice solid waxy-like chunk. I agree that it's much much easier to work with when it's a chunk like that rather than a fluffy crystalline material.
...though certainly not as pretty looking .
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Re: What did I smoke? DMT [Re: openmind]
#23744740 - 10/17/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You clearly have some incorrect ideas about DMT.
Many people prefer a full spectrum yellow or orange extraction to a pure crystalline white DMT. I myself only smoke orange acacia goo, because the high NMT content lends a large component to the experience and it's much easier to dab/work with than the crystalline. The color of the DMT doesn't necessarily indicate that it's "better" than other DMT. Indeed, the DMT experience experience is so infinitely variable that it's almost impossible to say with any certainly that one kind of DMT produces a certain kind of trip.
The only difference I can personally vouch for is that the cleaner the DMT is, the briefer and more dream-like and difficult to remember the experience is. This, in my opinion, is not a good thing.
DMT tastes horrible. It'll taste bad if you clean it so clean you lose half your yield, and it'll taste bad if you don't clean it at all. There's no way around it really. Learning to associate the horrible taste with the positive experience will, in time, change how you feel about the taste.
I kind of enjoy the taste myself after 500+ DMT experiences. It tastes like I'm going to sacred places.
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I personally like the taste, as I can smell it in all life afterwords. The stuff I smoked went beyond that though, it trashed my lungs for a day, it hurt. I coughed up gunk right after the experience.
I'm pretty sensitive to drugs in general, I think what I extracted, I will be able to tell a huge difference in, comparing to the jungle spice I smoked - I'm doubting the nausea will be there, the trashed lungs, and the extra dark body load. I'm guessing it will be a lot smoother, and less intrusive to the body rather than mind. I already tried 10mg for a test run and it was smooth as joy, with more visuals than the jungle spice, which had none. (I toked 15-20mg about 4 times without ever any visual distortion, but massive body load) I was even trying to blast a friend off with 50mg and he puked before the experience even started, it was not good stuff. I'm not sure if heavy breathing and hyperventilating is associated with DMT as well but that's also what happens
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Eclipse3130 said: I personally like the taste, as I can smell it in all life afterwords. The stuff I smoked went beyond that though, it trashed my lungs for a day, it hurt. I coughed up gunk right after the experience.
I'm pretty sensitive to drugs in general, I think what I extracted, I will be able to tell a huge difference in, comparing to the jungle spice I smoked - I'm doubting the nausea will be there, the trashed lungs, and the extra dark body load. I'm guessing it will be a lot smoother, and less intrusive to the body rather than mind. I already tried 10mg for a test run and it was smooth as joy, with more visuals than the jungle spice, which had none. (I toked 15-20mg about 4 times without ever any visual distortion, but massive body load) I was even trying to blast a friend off with 50mg and he puked before the experience even started, it was not good stuff. I'm not sure if heavy breathing and hyperventilating is associated with DMT as well but that's also what happens
Don't let the poorly extracted batch that you've had bad experiences with put you off non-white DMT for the rest of your life. Sounds like what you got still had some unpurged solvents in it, (xylene, toluene, something similar,) and it messed your lungs up good. I've had similar experiences with batches that weren't purged all the way giving me a lot of phlegm/chest congestion, bad taste, and nausea.
A properly made jungle spice/jimjam goo, whatever you want to call it, gives a much longer duration, fully immersive and visually intense experience than the white crystalline NN-DMT. Try pulling from acacia bark with xylene so you can get the full spectrum of alkaloids, and not just the NN-DMT. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.
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Eclipse3130 said: ....I'm not sure if heavy breathing and hyperventilating is associated with DMT as well but that's also what happens
That is typical IME...I almost always breathe rather heavily/rapidly through out the experience when ever I get a good rip of the stuff, and I've seen it happen to quite a few others. I often make a lot of involuntary humming/grumbling and random vocalizations too. I don't understand how some folks have full on experiences with the stuff and claim that they lay/sit completely silent and still like they're sleeping through out the entire experience.
I usually meditate for a little while before smoking/vaping the bowl, just relaxing and focusing on/following the loop of my breathe, then after inhaling/exhaling the dmt, I continue to follow my breathe into/through the experience (or until I lose touch entirely)
Before I started doing this I'd be slapped into the experience and "lose control" of my breathe in a way, and it'd just be a very chaotic experience where I'm hyperventilating. Following my breathe before and into the experience helps keep me "grounded" and observant of what's about to happen, and chills me out somewhat since my mind is silent and not thinking or doing anything other than following my breathing.
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Re: What did I smoke? DMT [Re: openmind]
#23749722 - 10/18/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice
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