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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: cronicr]
    #23742286 - 10/16/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: azur]
    #23742288 - 10/16/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ill look up info.  -screams internally- idk what do


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23742429 - 10/16/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23742432 - 10/16/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

My brain hurts but thanks Bodhi :thumbup:


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23742434 - 10/16/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I'm screaming internally over here myself. Anybody with 100 posts is aware of this endospore germination concept. How can we not question this concept when the author of the ratio method claims to have consistent success? Why are we insisting on taking extra steps just in case when a simpler process may work just as well? I'm all about efficiency lately, shaving a day off of prep is quite the bonus.

It sounds like this method has a history I'm unaware of though? Are burst grains actually a problem or is it a preference thing?


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23742444 - 10/16/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Can't believe I've never seen a tek like this, always hated waiting overnight for grains to soak, and the messes that can be created when simmering




This is the way I've done it for years.  I started a thread on it as an easy jar prep but nobody seemed interested.
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23545185/page/3


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23742448 - 10/16/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I know the burst grains in my WBS are the last to "colonize" They're hollow aren't they?

Also the method Bodhi presented says to hydrate but not soak. Which I presume means simmer no soak- You can hydrate grains without bursting them, and what I've read from many posters is that you want to scoop out the burst grains that float to the top.

Even still, these are two separate issues.


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23742463 - 10/16/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

yeah I suppose you're right, simmer with no soak is just as good/fast. I still have to read that thread more carefully it did look interesting.


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23742495 - 10/16/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Or just do some testing to find out how long to boil a certain type of grain or seed.  I recently started just boiling rye for 20 min, draining and then PC for 90.  Here are some 4 day old g2g jars done this way. 


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23742523 - 10/16/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Preference...:thumbup:


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23742541 - 10/16/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thats what i do with wbs but with a 12 hour presoak.


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Terpfreak] * 1
    #23742553 - 10/16/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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My brain hurts but thanks Bodhi :thumbup:



the bacteria makes sure it's population has many phenotypes floating around some being early spore forming and some late spore forming.

as soon as endospores germinate the population of vegetative bacteria goes up which is a trigger for spore formation.

clostridium (spore forming and in grain) has a doubling time of about 10 minutes

bacillus can be like 30-60 minutes

so if you soak for say a short 6 hours even you have made so many new bacteria that even if a small proportion of them decide to make a spore(which takes perhaps an hour in most species) you've created a dickload more spores and even bacteria than you originally started with.


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23742624 - 10/16/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Cronicr, what problem's are you referring to? Am I apparently unaware of some danger? Curious if you had something happen to you that just has not happened to me yet.


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: ChristaphonZ]
    #23742630 - 10/16/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23742657 - 10/16/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Or just do some testing to find out how long to boil a certain type of grain or seed.  I recently started just boiling rye for 20 min, draining and then PC for 90.  Here are some 4 day old g2g jars done this way. 





So you're not soaking or using gypsum?  Just boil for 20 minutes and PC.  Looks like it worked fine to me.


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Wicked Burn] * 1
    #23742676 - 10/16/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I add a tsp of gyp to each jar and give a shake before PCing.  It's working just right.  One note, I start the timer when the water is at a rolling boil.


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23742701 - 10/16/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks bodhi you da best.  Five shrooms for you.


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: Terpfreak] * 1
    #23743003 - 10/16/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I use FooMan's WBS prep :thumbup:
I think most people that use WBS a lot have some variation on this that works for them.

Grains are ready to rock in a few hours.


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Re: Anybody try the ratio method with WBS? aka, no soak no simmer grain prep [Re: ChristaphonZ]
    #23743351 - 10/16/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Cronicr, what problem's are you referring to? Am I apparently unaware of some danger? Curious if you had something happen to you that just has not happened to me yet.



Ya can't treat wbs like rye...a quick simmer after a soak can be ok but you can also burst alot of grain...starchy grain makes shitty spawn.things like rye or wheat however can handle a boil.


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