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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: 1234go]
    #23984732 - 01/05/17 06:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So salvia is like alcohol and sleep aids and you want that to be included as an Entheogen and allowed in TPE -

- makes alot of sense :sarcasm:


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23985300 - 01/05/17 09:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Based on this thread and your previous posts all you do is post various quotes and argue with people. Not sure if you are a troll or I am witnessing the Dunning–Kruger effect. Either way no one else I've seen has issues with salvia threads being posted in TPE.

Either way, I'm done wasting my time.

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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23985492 - 01/05/17 11:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't understand why you don't see that it's dangerous.

People completely lose touch with reality and don't know what their body is doing. It's not a case of "they can just lay down and not move around". They are completely UNAWARE THAT THEIR BODY IS MOVING.

I have NEVER seen that kind of thing happen with real Entheogens.

And it's VERY easy to o.d. on it -- and has happened to experienced users.

People who care about others and who care about the information that comes out of a website associated  with Entheogens, should be VERY concerned about this.



Have you ever taken salvia?  And if it's as dangerous as you say, it should have a place where people can discuss it openly.  I don't see why you're on such a witch hunt for salvia.  It clearly should be an open topic in TPE... period.


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23985600 - 01/06/17 12:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It isn't a Psychedelic. It isn't a 5HT2A agonist.

It's dangerous. It belongs in a forum where people will more easily find warnings about it

Don't you care what happens to people who don't get the right information and end up harming themselves or others - as well as giving a bad reputation to the Shroomery.

I would remind you that the warnings that I quoted came from the main salvia page at Erowid.
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TPE should be confined to 5HT2A agonists. ODD is there for drugs which are not 5HT2A agonists, and ODD is a great forum.

Datura is not a 5HT2A agonist.





My thought exactly.

"Psychedelic is defined by 5HT2A action. If it works by anoither means or is significantly more toxic than mescaline, it doesnt belong there.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23294847#23294847

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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23985684 - 01/06/17 02:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So you're going to help inform people by limiting the places where they can talk about it?


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23985722 - 01/06/17 02:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's the idea.

In a limited and narrow setting, it is possible to make the warnings more visible.

But why insist on having a non-Psychedelic in a group that's supposed to be for Psychedelics?


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23985963 - 01/06/17 08:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We're all-inclusive, and not big on labels or separation around here.

Your attempt to segregate the entheogens is not being well received, maybe take your peddling elsewhere?
At this point I think it's fair to say that nobody cares and you're wasting everyone's time, including your own.

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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: 1234go]
    #23987163 - 01/06/17 05:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We're all-inclusive, and not big on labels or separation around here.




An obviously false statement.

Datura was recently delegated to ODD. And many compounds that ARE Psychedelics and don't have the dangers of salvia are not allowed on TPE.


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23987772 - 01/06/17 08:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You have to have a certain post count and time for ODD to unlock so any 'newbs' looking for salvia info wouldn't be able to find it.  Salvia and datura are two entirely different beasts.  Have you ever tried either?  Plus, loads more people ask about/are curious in trying salvia than are people looking to give datura a go.  They're two completely separate things.

My advice to you is, if it really bothers you that much when people post about salvia in tpe, don't click on the thread.  It's not like the topic comes flooding through there multiple times a day.  Get over it..

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Datura was recently delegated to ODD. And many compounds that ARE Psychedelics and don't have the dangers of salvia are not allowed on TPE.



That's because they're (psychadelics) RC's and not plants, or from plants.. different category all together..  and for the record, you have no idea if they're more dangerous or not.  The only harm in salvia is stumbling around and falling down some stairs etc..  but if you follow the "rules" and have a sitter, harmless.  Those 'less dangerous' RC's come into the category of damaging your brain, organs etc.  Nobody really knows how safe they are..  salvia is harmless.  If you ever tried some in the proper manner you would know this.


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23987814 - 01/06/17 09:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm going to go ahead and bow out of this one and leave ya'll too it.  I just wanted to throw my view out there as I've gone through multiple lbs. of salvia in my day and it holds a real special place in my heart.  It is one amazing plant when not abused.  For instance, it is no surprise peopl wig out on 80x extract, that strength is just retarded.  Plain leaf is actually really gentle and the salvia world is mighty big.  There's gold in them thar hills if you're willing to take a look.

So whatever ya'll decide..cool. - :peace:


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23988458 - 01/07/17 03:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The article I posted said that salvia has a higher boiling point than other smokable substances and people think it's because they didn't put enough in the bowl that they're having mild effects. So they put too much.

Maybe there could be warning pages for things like datura and salvia so the new people could get access to the info. Or - why not open up ODD to them?

Substances like DET, DPT, 4-OH-DET, 5MeO-DMT (which is produced by the body along with DMT), have been around for a long time and have a similar safety and are completely in the same category as LSD and DMT but are not allowed in TPE.


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23988469 - 01/07/17 03:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have not tried salvia or datura and, from what I've read, I have no interest in trying them. I'm interested in Psychedelics similar to DMT and LSD that reveal Light and are Higher Beings of Consciousness.

"They are the Eternal, among things that pass away.
Pure Consciousness, of conscious beings."

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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23990163 - 01/07/17 05:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm interested in Psychedelics similar to DMT and LSD that reveal Light and are Higher Beings of Consciousness.




Salvia Divinorum, aka Diviner's sage.  That should be your first clue, but then again by your own admission you have no idea what you're talking about.  I just noticed you're an opt-out, that should have been my first clue.


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23991551 - 01/08/17 02:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've heard people like you before talking about not knocking speed and heroin unless you try it.

Divine sage -- right.

I trust what the people at Erowid had to say about salvia. I don't need to burn my hand to believe that fire can do that.

I see that your hand is already too singed to be able to make sense.


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23991560 - 01/08/17 03:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm going to go ahead and bow out of this one and leave ya'll too it.



I see that doing what you say is real important to you.

That applies to everything else you talk about.


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23991569 - 01/08/17 03:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You should get into the business of making laws, that way your voluntary ignorance could come around full circle.. :thumbup:


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23991582 - 01/08/17 03:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry - you're the one who is double-talking.

I'm amazed at how you can think that your brain is functioning while you completely ignore the warning that the people at Erowid gave.

But your lack of sense makes sense when combined with your devotion to salvia.


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23991591 - 01/08/17 03:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah because nobody has ever had an overwhelming or bad experience on acid or mushrooms.  Just keep cherry picking the tid bits of negative feedback on salvia while ignoring the positive..I forgot, you're the expert on this subject.


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23991606 - 01/08/17 04:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sheesh -look - you want to damage your brain and body - that's your choice. Why do you insist on pushing your drug on me? I've seen what people are saying about salvia. It's not what I would call a Psychedelic. It doesn't do what I'm interested in. You can call it whatever you like. But people should be warned about it's dangers and it shouldn't be put in with real Psychedelics - in my opinion. That is giving people the wrong idea about it.

I don't need to smoke cigarettes to know that I don't want to do that either. You can go ahead and get lung cancer  if you want - but I believe the reports. And Erowid is certainly as trustworthy as that.


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Re: salvia - tpe? [Re: endogenous]
    #23991702 - 01/08/17 07:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Why do you insist on pushing your drug on me?




Why do you insist on pushing your opinion on us?

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