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KrizzKaliko
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First Monotub, PE6, tips requested!
#23741283 - 10/16/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I only managed the one pic this flush unfortunately, as I didnt think I would be asking any questions.

The mutant in the middle was kind of a badass, but never got any taller.
Now a few caveats. This was MS > WBS > CV(-G). Considering im 99% sure my jars were bacterial, I was pretty happy with the pinset and overall flush. I pulled a little under 10oz total from the 2 tubs. I am only just now trying my hand at my first agar work with a few clones, one being that mutant, hoping to have clean spawn for my next run.
My main question is, are the thin fruits attributed to the likely bacterial spawn? The mutant cluster in the center were decent thickness, and there were plenty of random thicker fruits, but I would say a solid 70% of that tub were fruits that were very very thin, but of average length.
As always, questions and criticisms welcome, and thanks again everyone on here for the tons of info ive learned over the years!
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Terpfreak
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Re: First Monotub, PE6, tips requested! [Re: KrizzKaliko]
#23741303 - 10/16/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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First and so on flushes normally have less total mushrooms and bigger fruits. Is that something you experienced with your grow?
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morty422
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Re: First Monotub, PE6, tips requested! [Re: KrizzKaliko]
#23741311 - 10/16/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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KrizzKaliko said: So I only managed the one pic this flush unfortunately, as I didnt think I would be asking any questions.

The mutant in the middle was kind of a badass, but never got any taller.
Now a few caveats. This was MS > WBS > CV(-G). Considering im 99% sure my jars were bacterial, I was pretty happy with the pinset and overall flush. I pulled a little under 10oz total from the 2 tubs. I am only just now trying my hand at my first agar work with a few clones, one being that mutant, hoping to have clean spawn for my next run.
My main question is, are the thin fruits attributed to the likely bacterial spawn? The mutant cluster in the center were decent thickness, and there were plenty of random thicker fruits, but I would say a solid 70% of that tub were fruits that were very very thin, but of average length.
As always, questions and criticisms welcome, and thanks again everyone on here for the tons of info ive learned over the years!
There are a few variables at play here in regards to mushroom size.
Your tub looks like it could have gotten some more FAE...but, you're tub also looks like it could have been just a MS tub that was ready and willing to grow just what it gave you.
MS tubs are bacterial-you have introduced bacteria to your grain via MS syringe... It is not a question of whether your syringe DOES have bacteria -but it is a question of HOW MUCH?
The HOW MUCH portion dictates how much efficiency your tub has LOST due to this deficiency in efficiency... (LOL! See what I did there?)
I have been where you are - and I have to say that your move into agar is a good one.
Understand that FAE is the most important thing that a fruiting fungal body can have... all other things follow.
Check this tek out:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777/fpart/1/vc/1
You had a productive grow - make it better with agar/cleaning up your mycelium and dialing in your tubs correctly....This is the only way to gank massive amounts of mushrooms off of the most limited amount of spawn.
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KrizzKaliko
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Re: First Monotub, PE6, tips requested! [Re: morty422]
#23741324 - 10/16/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Terpfreak said: First and so on flushes normally have less total mushrooms and bigger fruits. Is that something you experienced with your grow?
You lost me here, first and so on? If you meant 'second and so on', then ya, im familiar with that. No i havnt experienced it yet, as this was my first flush.
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morty422 said:
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KrizzKaliko said: So I only managed the one pic this flush unfortunately, as I didnt think I would be asking any questions.

The mutant in the middle was kind of a badass, but never got any taller.
Now a few caveats. This was MS > WBS > CV(-G). Considering im 99% sure my jars were bacterial, I was pretty happy with the pinset and overall flush. I pulled a little under 10oz total from the 2 tubs. I am only just now trying my hand at my first agar work with a few clones, one being that mutant, hoping to have clean spawn for my next run.
My main question is, are the thin fruits attributed to the likely bacterial spawn? The mutant cluster in the center were decent thickness, and there were plenty of random thicker fruits, but I would say a solid 70% of that tub were fruits that were very very thin, but of average length.
As always, questions and criticisms welcome, and thanks again everyone on here for the tons of info ive learned over the years!
There are a few variables at play here in regards to mushroom size.
Your tub looks like it could have gotten some more FAE...but, you're tub also looks like it could have been just a MS tub that was ready and willing to grow just what it gave you.
MS tubs are bacterial-you have introduced bacteria to your grain via MS syringe... It is not a question of whether your syringe DOES have bacteria -but it is a question of HOW MUCH?
The HOW MUCH portion dictates how much efficiency your tub has LOST due to this deficiency in efficiency... (LOL! See what I did there?)
I have been where you are - and I have to say that your move into agar is a good one.
Understand that FAE is the most important thing that a fruiting fungal body can have... all other things follow.
Check this tek out:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777/fpart/1/vc/1
You had a productive grow - make it better with agar/cleaning up your mycelium and dialing in your tubs correctly....This is the only way to gank massive amounts of mushrooms off of the most limited amount of spawn.

Ya i guess i worded that poorly. Im under no disillusion that my cakes were bacteria free. I guess what i mean was that they weren't 'obviously sick and decrepit' with bacteria. I knew this was going to be the case when i inoculated the grain, I purely decided to do it this way to start my agar with a clone, and more importantly, because i hadn't started collecting agar materials yet.
The FAE is a good point. At this point in time im leaving one of the top holes polyfil completely out. I wont mention where my tubs are, as it is in a spot that we ALL know they shouldn't be (space issue, not hiding), and it doesn't exactly get the airflow i(t) would like.
Thanks for the link to Franks, but again i should have pointed out, his Tek is what i followed from beginning to end. Even used his casing even though i found out i didn't need to (i had PE6, no PE lol).
Ill work on my FAE, and hopefully ill have a clean culture here soon from one of those clones. Thanks for the input!
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morty422
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Re: First Monotub, PE6, tips requested! [Re: KrizzKaliko]
#23741345 - 10/16/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It seems like you are on the right track...
I hope to see some more grows from you- with a CLEAN spawn and great conditions!
MS is easy - and can reward you - but it can also limit you.
The agar is the way to go - and seeing as how you are already on the right track...there is not much more I can say.
Let's see them clones and sectors do work-son!
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KrizzKaliko
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Re: First Monotub, PE6, tips requested! [Re: morty422]
#23741396 - 10/16/16 02:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morty422 said: It seems like you are on the right track...
I hope to see some more grows from you- with a CLEAN spawn and great conditions!
MS is easy - and can reward you - but it can also limit you.
The agar is the way to go - and seeing as how you are already on the right track...there is not much more I can say.
Let's see them clones and sectors do work-son!

Thanks! Ill definitely update when I get some decent sectoring accomplished.
On one final side note, if you notice that most of the caps in the pic were allowed to open pretty fully. Even then, they were not picked for another 8-12h if iirc. Thing is, i didn't see ANY spores. No discoloring on lower caps, etc. Is there a chance these spores are just lighter in color? Or did it retain the PE quality of not really 'ejecting' any?
Only really curious because I want to take a print for backup, just in case my agar work goes to crap.
Once again, thanks for your input!
-KK
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ChristaphonZ


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Re: First Monotub, PE6, tips requested! [Re: KrizzKaliko]
#23742115 - 10/16/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very nice start. I think everyone should start out ms. Then make your own clones and begin agar. If you can not handle a single multi spore grow. You probably wouldn't have lasted with agar. Working your own clones is way more fulfilling, anyway. This hobby is all about enjoyment. (IMHO) Sounds like your having fun KK.
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KrizzKaliko
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Re: First Monotub, PE6, tips requested! [Re: ChristaphonZ]
#23757548 - 10/21/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So just wanted to show off a bit here. Second flush is midway. Looks like it wont be very large in total weight, but the fruits are HUGE this time around.

I have one fruit that is slightly larger than the bigger one there that im letting finish up today, then im gunna clone it to some agar tonight, as it seems all my previous agar has failed (aside from 2 plates) due to bacteria. Working on tightening up my technique still.
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Re: First Monotub, PE6, tips requested! [Re: KrizzKaliko]
#23757564 - 10/21/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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