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tHEfLY
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what do people really mean by "oneness"
#23739249 - 10/15/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel uneasy about the "we are all one" talk I see everywhere. It sounds in a way dystopian because I'm a person who values individuality and the right of all people to remain individuals. Isn't that the point of creation? For God to take Form? Form can not be without difference and definition... so I guess a lot of new age talk just sounds anti-creation and anti-life to me. Life is a multiplicity and people can only be the same if they're formless (dead)
Sometimes I get confused and relate this as a political issue, which causes me to make a fool of myself by railing against communism. I do think there is a connection though. It's all new world order talk far as I can see, designed to encourage people to give up their sovereignty.
Anyone care to clear this up for me? I mean I understand the truth of the statement in a metaphysical sense but I also see this kind of thing being used as a slogan by entities with questionable motives (looking at you pope francis)
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: tHEfLY]
#23739274 - 10/15/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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A lot of conceptual confusion. I mean, if we are all One, then you don't get a choice, so you can still go on being an individual and achieve etc., but we are all still the same consciousness - and love awake in me is love awake in you, there are no choices.
It would also be impossible to realise this, if true, since there would have to be an observing I separate from the cosmic I, but there is, apparently, only the cosmic I.
Just try to empower yourself and others, try to improve your consciousness, part of that is developing love in oneself, for all things, because boundaries dissolve.
Do what you want, within the limitations of your legal system and human nature (ie. don't kill someone, you won't live with it)
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: beforethedawn]
#23739321 - 10/15/16 07:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You said that the point of like is for "god to take form". So you believe that we are all temperary forms of a central power. Well, in that sense we are one. We are all god taking form through life. The idea that we are all one is neat to me. I think it still allows for individualism because obviously everyone is a different person. However, I think the idea has to do with our consciousnesses/souls/lifeforces being connected and all coming from the same source
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The term comes from the experience. Nirvana, eternal bliss, the list goes on. It's a state achieved in a meditative or psychedelic state(ego dissolving) which and when no questions need be asked because all is already known, no thoughts to be had, and no notions to be held - a state of pure observance, and in this observance and within your self you realize the observers and your self are the same thing. We are all observers, we are all the self, we are all one interconnected.
In my reality you and me are the exact same person, you can see me, as I can see you, you can ponder this and I can ponder that. Individualism is nothing but a set of experiences.
We can look different physically and characteristically but beyond genes how far does it go, besides that how really different are we? We share the same Earth, the same consciousness, the same plane of existance yet we are all so different? We all learn from each other through our experiences, but in the end our wisdom our knowledge goes to the collective of who we are.
And then my quote right below fits right in.
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
Edited by Eclipse3130 (10/15/16 09:21 AM)
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23739771 - 10/15/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: The term comes from the experience. Nirvana, eternal bliss, the list goes on. It's a state achieved in a meditative or psychedelic state(ego dissolving) which and when no questions need be asked because all is already known, no thoughts to be had, and no notions to be held - a state of pure observance, and in this observance and within your self you realize the observers and your self are the same thing. We are all observers, we are all the self, we are all one interconnected.
In my reality you and me are the exact same person, you can see me, as I can see you, you can ponder this and I can ponder that. Individualism is nothing but a set of experiences.
We can look different physically and characteristically but beyond genes how far does it go, besides that how really different are we? We share the same Earth, the same consciousness, the same plane of existance yet we are all so different? We all learn from each other through our experiences, but in the end our wisdom our knowledge goes to the collective of who we are.
And then my quote right below fits right in.
 
-------------------- Hostile humankind Can't you see you're fucking blind?
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23739970 - 10/15/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: The term comes from the experience. Nirvana, eternal bliss, the list goes on. It's a state achieved in a meditative or psychedelic state(ego dissolving) which and when no questions need be asked because all is already known, no thoughts to be had, and no notions to be held - a state of pure observance, and in this observance and within your self you realize the observers and your self are the same thing. We are all observers, we are all the self, we are all one interconnected.
In my reality you and me are the exact same person, you can see me, as I can see you, you can ponder this and I can ponder that. Individualism is nothing but a set of experiences.
We can look different physically and characteristically but beyond genes how far does it go, besides that how really different are we? We share the same Earth, the same consciousness, the same plane of existance yet we are all so different? We all learn from each other through our experiences, but in the end our wisdom our knowledge goes to the collective of who we are.
And then my quote right below fits right in.
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: phio]
#23739978 - 10/15/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd like to add that the force of oneness is truth. That truth can only be maintained at an infinite scale that is beyond space time.
None among man or a collection among man given their finite physical form and limited perspective can maintain a oneness of truth as they are limited and their lenses subjective.
Thus, by oneness, people refer to something far beyond man. If someone begins asserting that they maintain this or some institution does, then you should definitely question their motives and through critique you'll begin to see what's up... Saving effort, you can just give the the good ol :

As they don't maintain dominion, they're only fooling themselves anyway.
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: phio]
#23740073 - 10/15/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like to think of this in a matter/energy sense.
Lets assume for a moment that this matter is energy, molecules are waves etc idea is accurate.
Although molecules are differentiated. As you get down smaller and smaller stuff is all the same stuff. And it seems that stuff isnt as much stuff as energy.
So when i look around me initially i see:chair, flatmate, bike, books but on closer inspection i see stuff in various shades of the same thing.
Everything is the same stuff in different states and aspects.
So everything then looks like an ocean or hydrological cycle, all made of one thing (ie water) but appearing to be differentiated (wave, ice berg, cloud, waterfall, puddle, icicle, tear drop, dew drop, frost, mist etc)
So on closer inspeaction the whole of existence is all fundametally the same stuff. Its an ocean or mist with vatiations in its pattern.
So when i look at me, chair, flatmate, apple the clear line where these objects end and begin is gone. Me and my flat mate are ice bergs flaoating and also being h20. We are one in the same thing and same system.
Thats the way i seen the hokey pokey statement of we are all one.. the whole of existence is the same shit.
And whatever was before and comes after existence will be it too.
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: littlespider]
#23740107 - 10/15/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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littlespider said: I like to think of this in a matter/energy sense.
Lets assume for a moment that this matter is energy, molecules are waves etc idea is accurate.
Although molecules are differentiated. As you get down smaller and smaller stuff is all the same stuff. And it seems that stuff isnt as much stuff as energy.
So when i look around me initially i see:chair, flatmate, bike, books but on closer inspection i see stuff in various shades of the same thing.
Everything is the same stuff in different states and aspects.
So everything then looks like an ocean or hydrological cycle, all made of one thing (ie water) but appearing to be differentiated (wave, ice berg, cloud, waterfall, puddle, icicle, tear drop, dew drop, frost, mist etc)
So on closer inspeaction the whole of existence is all fundametally the same stuff. Its an ocean or mist with vatiations in its pattern.
So when i look at me, chair, flatmate, apple the clear line where these objects end and begin is gone. Me and my flat mate are ice bergs flaoating and also being h20. We are one in the same thing and same system.
Thats the way i seen the hokey pokey statement of we are all one.. the whole of existence is the same shit.
And whatever was before and comes after existence will be it too.
Sounds good to me
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: phio]
#23740141 - 10/15/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cheers 5 years of tantra training not waisted
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: littlespider]
#23740151 - 10/15/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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littlespider said: Cheers 5 years of tantra training not waisted 
You could say you keep it in your waist band now?
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23740171 - 10/15/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah i keep every book i ever read in my trousers. Like a massive uncomfortable chair. Well i only ever read about 30 books. But ive read the right 30.
-------------------- remember what the dormouse said
Edited by littlespider (10/15/16 03:06 PM)
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: littlespider]
#23740247 - 10/15/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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littlespider said: Yeah i keep every book i ever read in my trousers. Like a massive uncomfortable chair. Well i only ever read about 30 books. But ive read the right 30.
Hear! hear !
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: phio]
#23740580 - 10/15/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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probably the idea of yourself fitting into society/reality etc..
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phio


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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: BrendanFlock]
#23740597 - 10/15/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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BrendanFlock said: probably the idea of yourself fitting into society/reality etc..
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: phio]
#23740765 - 10/15/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- Hostile humankind Can't you see you're fucking blind?
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tHEfLY
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: beforethedawn]
#23740775 - 10/15/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Heh. Good posts by all so far  I cant think of much to add right now just felt like i should let people know i am reading anc enjoying
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: tHEfLY]
#23741020 - 10/15/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's wherever you experience nonduality
Which is whatever your dominant function is
Get in that lens, everything looks like one thing
The further down your functional stack you go, the less oneness you'll perceive
Edited by 100_the_cat (10/15/16 10:25 PM)
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Re: what do people really mean by [Re: tHEfLY]
#23744927 - 10/17/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't really know how to explain it really well. This question reminds to a 'dream' I just had last night. I just feel consciousness is kinda like a fractal. You could look at the Mandelbrot fractal as an example. You could take a sphere-shaped part of it or maybe a 'branch'. You could see them as seperate parts of the whole.
If you were to take one of the two parts, it looks somewhat different from all other parts that are on the same level of zoom and eachother. But first of all, if you were to trace it back to where it is connected, before you know it, you'd come back to the center of the fractal. And second of all, if you were to zoom in, you'd come across the same image you'd see when completely zoomed out. In other words, that 'seperate' part you just 'named', 'labeled' or saw as something 'distinct' or as an 'individual' phenomena is, when looking at it with a magnifying glass, nothing more than a particular expression of the original image.
So lets say there is only one consciousness, call it god. You could take a planet and a human creature and, just like the sphere-shapes and the branch-shapes, you could say they are distinct. Now lets assume god is a fractal. If you were to really look at a planet or a human, you'd start to see it is nothing more than a certain expression of god. And when tracing back their history, they come from the same center. If you believe that the big bang theory is true, than it isn't really hard to believe we all come from the same 'center'. 
Anyway, this idea is a little hard for me to understand in a non-psychedelic state as well. But the whole idea of one-ness to me often comes as the idea that everybody that I thought to be different from 'me', actually IS me. It is an idea/feeling more powerful than when you recognize someone as a friend or family-member. Also, to me it is not that everyone is 'the same', that would still imply they are individuals that are just expressed in the same way. To me, it seems that everyone is instilled (or brought into existance) as a different expression of the same single consciousness.
Edited by lovuasca (10/17/16 09:33 AM)
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Re: what do people really mean by "oneness" [Re: tHEfLY]
#23745085 - 10/17/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am a puzzle piece, just because the other puzzle pieces have different shapes, doesn't mean they're not the same thing as I am, we all need to fit together to make the bigger picture complete.
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