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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23721108 - 10/09/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I forget who it was but they had an outdoor greenhouse similar to yours. It was layered with  fiberglass insulation then they got some old billboard signs, which are basically a heavy UV resistant tarp. Try contacting some advertisement companies about used signs for free or cheap. The one side is the add but the other side is white. Layer em 2-3 thick just in case there are holes.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23721420 - 10/09/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you planning to leave the ground like that? It will be mud. Pea gravel or even better a well graded cement slab or fairly plain and flat paver stones would be good. For shelving get yourself some conduit and a welder and some bright galvanizing spray to treat the welds. Then you can work around that funky curve. Custom conduit shelving is the only way to maximize your space and have easy cleaning IME.



I was planning on having a moss flooring. I haven't done the reading yet of what type of media would work best for that solution. Thank you for the shelving ideas.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23721450 - 10/09/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Gr0wer is right with the flooring, I used to have a outdoor greenhouse with irrigation.
Unfortunately mine was destroyed several times by high wind and sun.

   

I can say, I needed both an outer and an inner layer.
I silicone sealed and riveted the inner layer.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Ferather]
    #23722729 - 10/09/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea that moss will die and be mud with how much your walking on it.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23722861 - 10/09/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm trying to read about options of growing moss on gravel. I know sand would be too fine.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23723151 - 10/09/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have an outdoor greenhouse also. I got some pallets from the local lumberyard and built a subfloor for the GH. Covered the pallets with OSB then put pond liner over the OSB. Seems to work pretty well.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: AnarchoV]
    #23723426 - 10/09/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That is something to think of, do you have photos?

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23723900 - 10/09/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like I'll be getting multi purpose sand or play sand. Not 100% sure what one I would want to go with (moss won't really grow well on sand  :depressing: )

Or would peatmoss work as a flooring  :spaceman:

Edited by vatman (10/09/16 10:55 PM)

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23723994 - 10/09/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No on the sand bro, get some sort of rock, pea gravel or any small sorted round rock would be easiest on the feet and ankles. Wet sand sticks to everything, and the crap will just collect on top. My grow is a concrete floor, gets hosed down weekly, and when i drop a fruit i wont put it into the sell bin but ill use it myself if its a nice cluster. Now drop that onto sand and i wouldn't even consider trying a bite. With rocks any small sediment will fall through, over time it will build up and you will need to re apply on top. Shitty part of rocks will be pieces of mushrooms and substrate will also build up and it will rot and smell like shit. Your best bet would be dig some drainage ditches and install pipes or grade the floor to flow out the door. Then do smooth paver stones or concrete. Don't reinvent the wheel.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23724358 - 10/10/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid: anything inorganic as opposed to organic. As Grower said clean is the game. Organic you have weeds,molds, bacteria, insects did I mention fungus gnats by the hundreds eating your mushrooms. I had pea gravel in my commercial plant greenhouses. Constant battle, you won't be walking much , but terrible to walk on all day.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23724394 - 10/10/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There's nothing wrong with growing mushrooms in a greenhouse with an earthen floor. A thick straw layer over the bare ground is a great cheap way to keep mud down and will release heat as it decomposes. Eventually after tramping it down and reapplying it several times you'll have a pretty solid floor. No need to waste time with drains.

Your biggest concern should be heating your space without going broke spending your profits(?) on heating and getting water to your grow without it freezing. That foil bubble wrap really isn't going to help much when its 5 degrees outside and the wind is blowing. And keeping humidity up can be tough when your heat source kills the air moisture.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Quadman]
    #23724397 - 10/10/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to be breeding beneficial nematodes.It is not that hard. Some colleges have done documentation on them.

I don't have a truck right now. I'm trying to come up with something relativity easy to move.

Also all the bubble wrap fell down. I plan on getting some sealing for the doors and windows. I'm debating if I should only have it heated to 40 or if I should keep it up to 60


nematodes live up to 300 PSI and plan on using with hand watering.

I am also going to end up going with lava rocks. For shelving I was thinking wooden pallets. I am not sure if it would be safe using logs with wooden pallets if they have been chemically treated. Would bags be the only safe thing to use with that?

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23726840 - 10/10/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I might be giving up on the bubble wrap insulation idea. Today all the bubble wrap fall off the walls of the greenhouse. I was using packaging tape. From the digging I found I would need a 2 part binding agent to keep it on the walls.

I might just line all the backwalls with 55 Gallon drums. Should help keep the greenhouse cool in the summer too. (Got a pool tarp that will be used to block out most of the light along with a shade net.)

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23735841 - 10/14/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So I will be going with a lava rock flooring.
I have gotten bubble wrap to stick to the greenhouse. I am searching for more.
Trying to find 2 more 55 Gallon drums fill with water.
I am trying to think what the min temperature I want to set the greenhouse heater to. I was thinking 40-45F and still have king oysters fruit.


I did the math today if my heater was running 24 hours a day for 30 days it would cost 100 a month to heat. I still want to keep the heating cost low as I build a customer base and rev up production.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23738180 - 10/14/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Using my closet into a spawn storage since my roommates like leaving their windows open at night dropping the house temp down to 60F(set the heating to 50F) since they keep their windows open. Got a space heater for mine. To keep a stable 70ish F

I recently did Gr0wer's 24 hour grain soak for two spawn bags. This is the first time I think my spawn bags have come out nearly perfect. I put a hand full of dry coffee in each bag and mixed it up. I shoudl have cleaned the inside of the bags before cooking. I did an experiment with two bags. When I do 4 in my pressure cooker I tend to get 1-2 bags that don't really self seal in the pressure cooker. I ran the pressure cooker for 2 and 1/2 hour at temp. Did a slow rise to get to temp and a slow decrees to drop the temp.







I also found a wood company that would drop about 2000 LB of wood chips at my place for 50 bucks. Trick would be moving all those chips from the front yard to the backyard lol

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23738284 - 10/14/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Chips? are you doing beds? For grow bags you want coarse sawdust or really fine chips.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23738433 - 10/14/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was planning on chips mixed with sawdust. The wood pellets around here are Douglas fir. So unless I mulched the chips myself.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21744280/fpart/all/vc/1

Doubt any supplements would work with that tek. I have been collecting bags from the evil wally. Took about 30 today.



These are the size of the chips. I just grabbed a random handful. Been checking craglist and FB for a cheap chipper most are 120+

Edited by vatman (10/14/16 09:21 PM)

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: katbusa]
    #23738656 - 10/14/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The next best thing to use is two layers of polyethylene covering that uses a small squirrel cage blower to inflate between the covering layers. You then remove a corner or two of the spring locks to vent so the covering isnt over inflated.





Question to all:
So could vatman construct a conduit shell around the fiberglass GH and secure polyethylene sheeting around it?  Thus creating a dome of sorts, one side being the fiber glass and the other poly sheeting, inflated by a squirrel fan. 

Could this method provide adequate insulation?

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #23738799 - 10/14/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The only advantage to a greenhouse is light and warmth during the day. Light can easily be accomplished with artificial. Too much heat during the day and cold at night are both disadvantages. Inflated layers of plastic have little R value. If you inflate plastic it needs to be air tight seal small squirrel cage will inflate it properly. IMHO a standard insulated building would be optimal. Portable reefer container would be very good. RR buried shipping container would be excellent 60° year around?


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Quadman]
    #23738817 - 10/14/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes if it is 6 ft bellow the surface of where you are. The temperature tends to be 60F year round at a 6 ft depth. So that would be ideal. Not everyone has the ability to dig something like that. It also comes with dangers as shipping containers are not meant to be under ground.

So I plan on doing pinks and milky mushrooms for the summer in the greenhouse.

Right now I am focusing on working with wood chips and fuel pellets pasteurized. Decent amount of reading I have done have said chips really shouldn't be used pasteurized unless in beds. I still want to give them a shot in grocery bags.

Also for heating I got 2 more 55 Gallon drums. I am going to wield two rods to a brake rotor (rods would have 90 degree bends to allow easy insertion and removal out of the barrel) and heat the break rotor with the free wood chips I get and use that to heat the barrels when sun coverage is bad and when the greenhouse gets very low temps. I am debating if I should have my electrical heater set to 40-50F not sure of the range I should have it set to yet.

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