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Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this***update***
    #23737638 - 10/14/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Please if anyone has any idea or opinions please express what this can be.



....guys it was just rust everything look good to me give me your opinion...?





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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: cream777]
    #23737646 - 10/14/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Mind of looks to me like all the metal didn't get out of the jar and you have rust. Should be fine. See what everyone else thinks.


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: thebug76]
    #23737661 - 10/14/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like rust, could be metabolites.


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: thebug76]
    #23737666 - 10/14/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

could be a bacterial contam. The bottom of the jar tends to hold more moisture than the top part. Too much moisture especially in BRF jars could lead to bacterial contamination.
Of course it also looks like rust but i wonder how it travels down to the bottom without leaving marks on other parts of the substrate.


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: enlightenment]
    #23737702 - 10/14/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

it is compleatly isolated i dont see the mycelium reacting as if it was a contamination and my jars have been upside down sense 50 percent colonasation so moister should have been at the bottom.


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: enlightenment]
    #23737706 - 10/14/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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also looks like rust but i wonder how it travels down to the bottom without leaving marks on other parts of the substrate.




Drill lid while on jar add brf mix.
OP why the fudge have you turned the jars upside down? :facepalm: what was the point of the dry verm now its all mixed up sitting on the lid and all the moisture is soaking nicely into it


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23737719 - 10/14/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yea, if you drill the holes while the lids are on the jars, it's already in the bottom.


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: thebug76]
    #23737739 - 10/14/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm starting to feel like after each step in a tek should be a ask forum step to stop all this nonsense that's been happening a lot recently


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23737741 - 10/14/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Drill lid while on jar add brf mix.




OK i did not think about this option because i drill my holes on a wooden board. Good point.


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: enlightenment]
    #23737757 - 10/14/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah not everyone thinks things through I guess. I mean I'd at least rinse my jars before adding the brf.


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23737785 - 10/14/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

so when using this type of jar witch are the tall ones in my expirence the bottom of the jar colonizes much faster when fliped in the middle of colonization its also in a semi steril area or at lease extreamly clean 0 air flow container


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    #23737809 - 10/14/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I did no drilling i punched a hole with a punch bit.


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: cream777]
    #23737829 - 10/14/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Can and will leave metal shards in jars if lids were on jars at the time.
Flipping jars is stupid for the reason I gave, 0 air flow as you say relates to 0 GE, guess what contams love?


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23737925 - 10/14/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No guy the jars have plenty of air exchange in the large bin which is been disinfected the bin itself has been sealed and the container has a slight curvicher which creates space for  the holes on the bottom of the jar to breath while upside down


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: cream777]
    #23737970 - 10/14/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm3:
Follow the TEK what are you putting then in a sealed bin for, which is SEALED meaning no air flow for gas exchange. The dry verm layer is all that's needed and works great look at my SIG it was grown following the TEK. How many bin jars do you see? None because its not a good idea. Jars go on a shelf with ambient light right way up, and are left alone till full colonisation.:micdrop:


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23738059 - 10/14/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ok guy this isnt an argument 60 litters of clean air in a bin isnt hurting anything i assure you i can tell your one of those anal individuals....just take into consideration the variety of teks there is. your more like a know it all troll thats never going to be inventive....usefull ideas and theories only please


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: cream777]
    #23738079 - 10/14/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yep that's why I have proven grows:highfive:


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    #23738144 - 10/14/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

guy go look at my piks iv had 40 gram fruit grow off a cake.you must think this is my first rodeo.lol!


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: cream777]
    #23738173 - 10/14/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yep I read what you managed 4 years ago. Quite good not so much now though ey guy? Im only trying to help take it or leave it no skin off my nose, all my words are of up most accuracy from my repeatable grows my own experience not some one off fluke.

Explain to me why you put stuff in a sealed BIN


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23738220 - 10/14/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Only useful ideas and theories mrmazda lmao


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    #23738225 - 10/14/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ill take all the the opinions everyone has in consideration.first grow in like two years didn't post anthing for last grow butt seriously go thru my gallery there some of my past grows all done in the same manner with slight tweak to recipe and gave me 5 full flushes


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: cream777]
    #23738289 - 10/14/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

your growth has stalled looks like. It looks to me like bacteria may have won the battle.
This is one of the reasons it's typically recommended to try and use 1/2pt. widemouth jars. You need those holes in the jars exposed, so the myc can respirate (gas exchange).

They could have stalled from being too compacted, too wet, improperly sterilized, too much spore solution, etc. Put your jars on the shelf, that's the perfect spot for them. The less they move around the better--you want the dry verm layer to stay intact for as long as possible.

Are you inoculating in a still air box? Using .5cc or so per jar? Use just a drop of solution per hole, if you can. Too many spores can increase your chances that the contamination will be overwhelming.

Cakes grow despite contamination, so try to prevent as much of it as possible. The fewer chances you take, the better off you'll be.


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    #23738386 - 10/14/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Im still betting its mycelium piss we'll see what happens. they sure as hell didnt stall there just became 3 weeks old everything  was flame sterilized jars boiled 90 min. And there is no visable reaction from the mycelium surounding the spots any contam would have resulted in mycelium producing some antibacterial compound which would be visable


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    #23738454 - 10/14/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

you call that brown "no visable reaction"?
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Why do you ask questions if you're going to deny the answer? Spores aren't sterile. Is your semen sterile? So why do you assume the spores would be? Flame sterilizing, 'boiling' your substrate jars, etc. are just measures to minimize your contamination. Cakes fruit despite being contaminated; it's how they work. Your job is to try and minimize your risks.

That brown is your 'myc piss'. Unless you're growing stones, or you're 100% sure it's rust, that's a sign of a problem.


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    #23739792 - 10/15/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The reason why i pit my stuff in sealed bin is simple i have kids running around and carpet floors and sometimes i have to move them around and that makes thing easier


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    #23739803 - 10/15/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Why not just put them on a shelf where they get ambient light and sufficient GE with no stale air whilest being out of the way of little hands and still being easy to check on. All I was saying albeit a little harshly is yes it has worked and yes you got good results but it really is a game of chance. So maximizing you success chance by giving your stuff the best conditions that are recognized by today's standards can only be a good thing. I'm not here trying to shit on your methods I'm just offering you better ones that are also easier. Peace x


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Re: Can someone please explain what this been growing a long time never seen this [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23739828 - 10/15/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I had that before everything worked fine. Rust I think.


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    #23739962 - 10/15/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for all the advice you are right guys i guess we'll find out in a week or so when i give them a smell test at birth i have three control jars one of which has one small spot at the bottom of the jar also leads me to believe the rust is the culprit.lesson of the day clean jars thoroughly before inserting substrate ill keep you guys up to date to see what happens still input is always appreciated and integral part of this community shroom on my brother's.....viva fungi


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