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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Sanguin3] * 1
    #23740138 - 10/15/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Giving money to law enforcement is bullshit 100% of the time.  Fuck every branch of law enforcement, those pieces of shit are... well they're pieces of shit.  There's a true American hero, his name was Micah Xavier Johnson.  Another American hero, Ismaaiyl Brinsley.  They knew exactly what law enforcement officials deserve, and it sure as shit wasn't dollars.


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? *DELETED* [Re: abltsandwich] * 2
    #23740158 - 10/15/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Sanguin3]
    #23740178 - 10/15/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Cry about it instead.


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Sanguin3]
    #23740360 - 10/15/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm just not clear on one thing tho, are they going to tax those who grow for personal consumption as well?..





I was curious about this too if anyone knows.





Personal consumption...as in those that grow at home for their own use?

I don't believe so, I've skimmed through the text of the prop and don't recall anything stating that personal home grows will be taxed....


...I don't know how they'd even go about taxing such a thing anyways, how would they keep tabs on how many plants and how many ounces every single person is growing at home.






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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: openmind]
    #23740529 - 10/15/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think there's something in the prop about licensing.. I'm sure if that would apply to those who grow for personal use, or is that only for those who want to sell?..


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: zZZz]
    #23740558 - 10/15/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I think there's something in the prop about licensing.. I'm sure if that would apply to those who grow for personal use, or is that only for those who want to sell?..





Taxing something that I grow on my own property/within my residence, for my own consumption, just doesn't make sense to me....That's like being required to have a license and getting slapped with a tax for doing something like brewing up some home brew beer at home. Or being required to have a license and hit with tax for growing your own tobacco at home.



As far as I know....Licensing is only required if you're going to be running a business as a cultivator, distributor, etc....of which there are several different licenses....You don't need a license, and won't be taxed, to grow your "allowed" 6 plants at home.







PERSONAL USE – SECTION 4

POSSESSION: In general, AUMA would make it lawful under both state and local law for adults 21 or over to possess, process, transport, obtain, or give away to other adults no more than one ounce (28.5 grams) of marijuana (AUMA Sec. 11362.1).

The initiative sets inconsistent limits for marijuana concentrates, allowing possession of up to 8 grams in Sec. 11362.1 (a)2 , but penalizing more than 4 grams in Sections 11357(a), (b) and (c) and 11360. This contradiction will have to be resolved by the courts or the legislature.

CULTIVATION: Adults could cultivate up to six plants and possess the marijuana from these plants at their residence for personal use (Sec. 11362.1(3)). No more than six plants per residence. (N.B: this differs from the new limit for medical users under MMRSA, which allows 100 square feet of growing space per patient, with collective gardens of up to 5 patients). All plants and harvested marijuana in excess of one ounce must be (1) kept with the person’s private residence or on its grounds, (2) in a locked apace, and (3) not visible from a public place. (11362.2). Violations of (1) –(3) are punishable as infractions with a maximum $250 fine. Cities and counties may regulate and prohibit cultivation outdoors, but cannot completely prohibit cultivation inside a private residence or accessory structure that is “fully enclosed and secure.” (11362.2(b)).





LICENSE CATEGORIES: The initiative establishes 19 different license categories parallel to those in MMRSA, covering cultivation, manufacturing, testing, distributing, retailing, and distributing. Licenses for adult use facilities are distinct from those for medical facilities issued under MMRSA. (26050)

LARGE CULTIVATORS: A new category of Type 5 “Large” cultivation licenses is created for farms over the MMRSA limit of ½ acre indoors or 1 acre outdoors. No limit is set on the size of Type 5 gardens. No Type 5 licenses are to be issued before Jan 1, 2023. (26061(d)).

MICROBUSINESSES: A new category of Type 12 microbusiness licenses is established for small retailers with farms not exceeding 10,000 sq. ft. ( 26067 (e) 2).

VERTICAL INTEGRATION: Unlike MMRSA, AUMA does not prohibit vertical integration of licenses. In general, a licensee may hold any combination of licenses: cultivator, manufacturer, retailer, distributor and tester. The one exception is type 5 large cultivators, who may not hold distribution or testing licenses (26061(d)). In contrast, MMRSA allows applicants to have at most two different license types, effectively prohibiting direct farm-to-consumer sales (AB 266, B&P Code 19328).

DISTRIBUTORS: Unlike MMRSA, AUMA does not require that cultivators send their product to independent “distributors” (Type 11 licensees). This requirement, modeled on the alcohol industry, is one of the most controversial features of MMRSA, as it interjects a whole, new, costly distribution layer between the grower and distributor. Under AUMA, the only licensees not eligible to distribute for themselves are the new, Type 5 large-scale cultivators.

LICENSE CONDITIONS: Licenses may be denied based on various factors, including restraints on competition or monopoly power, perpetuation of the illegal market, encouraging abuse or diversion, posing a risk of exposure to minors, environmental violations, and excessive concentration in any city or county (26051).





All retail sales, medical and non-medical, are subject to a 15% excise tax in addition to the regular state sales tax, effective Jan 1, 2018.

All marijuana is also subject to a cultivation tax of $9.25/ounce dry-weight for flowers or $2.75 for leaves, effective Jan 1, 2018. Other categories of harvested product are to be taxed at a similar rate based on their relative price to flowers (34012).

Patients with state ID cards would be exempt from the current 7.5+% sales tax, but not the excise or cultivation taxes. (34011)

Cities and counties may impose any taxes they please on facilities cultivating, manufacturing, processing, selling, distributing, providing, storing, or donating marijuana (as is already the case under current law) (34021).







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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: openmind]
    #23740570 - 10/15/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yea seems legit,

What's this about though?..

All marijuana is also subject to a cultivation tax of $9.25/ounce dry-weight for flowers or $2.75 for leaves, effective Jan 1, 2018.

Just can't be too careful these days, politicians are always looking for loop holes in these things, they are usually never exactly as they are written..


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: zZZz]
    #23740593 - 10/15/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

keeps small timers from growing outside i guess


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Konyap]
    #23740670 - 10/15/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I just had sudden urge to go grab an oz of Super Silver Haze and do one shots until i can't hold the pipe anymore.


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23741807 - 10/16/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I always hit a ceiling with cannabis where i get more fuzzy and itchy eyes ect but not any higher, a saturation point of you will.


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23741826 - 10/16/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone from Arizona here and know much about our marijuana bill?
The smoke shops here are passing out little pamphlets telling people not to vote for it because it would put them out of business.
Apparently the bill would make it so only places that sell pot could sell pipes and bongs. I don't know if I have a problem with that, though the crackheads are going be shit out of luck finding a place to buy rollies and crackpipes in one stop.




Yes from what I understand and I work in mmj, each person per household is allowed six plants total and wax and hash will be reserved to people who have medical cards. I'm voting yes. Not a fan of the dispensaries or dealing with the fuckers. Bunch of reagan voters pretending to know weed because they finally realize there is money in it.


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23742020 - 10/16/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Rooster Cogburn said:
Anyone from Arizona here and know much about our marijuana bill?
The smoke shops here are passing out little pamphlets telling people not to vote for it because it would put them out of business. .





that's what stopped the previous initiatives in california, drug dealers and dope shops didnt want it passed


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23742142 - 10/16/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

And it shows how fucking dumb they are because in the bill it clearly states that glassware will still be sold at smoke shops. I've read the bill. The main people in AZ not wanting to legalize are the dispensaries because they hold the biggest grip of the business right now. The one we supply to is scared shitless because as soon as it gets legalized my boss is going retail with the 30% plus shit we grow. Big market for connoisseur grade bud among smokers, people realize soon the machine trimmed mass production shit is just that shit. B+ at best


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23742560 - 10/16/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, the last bill didnt pass because of drug dealers :facepalm:

Had nothing to do with it being a terrible bill.


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: danielx]
    #23742577 - 10/16/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's different here in California tho, legalization is in favor 9 to 1.. Always has been, always will be..


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: danielx]
    #23742920 - 10/16/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, the last bill didnt pass because of drug dealers :facepalm:

Had nothing to do with it being a terrible bill.





right. they're all terrible bills

what made the last bill so terrible


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: zZZz]
    #23742961 - 10/16/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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zZZz said:
Yea seems legit,

What's this about though?..

All marijuana is also subject to a cultivation tax of $9.25/ounce dry-weight for flowers or $2.75 for leaves, effective Jan 1, 2018.

Just can't be too careful these days, politicians are always looking for loop holes in these things, they are usually never exactly as they are written..






I know, when I first read that I was kinda thinking the same for a minute.

But I'm pretty certain that tax is what will be attached to sales, when buying from an actual legit store/vendor....that tax will not be slapped onto home grows.








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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23742962 - 10/16/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The last bill was terrible because it imposed up to 100$ tax on an eight of weed.

It clearly states in the new bill that the tax will be 10$ per ounce. This bill is good imo


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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23742970 - 10/16/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I always hit a ceiling with cannabis where i get more fuzzy and itchy eyes ect but not any higher, a saturation point of you will.







Sounds like you need to take a dab :wink: :smirk: .





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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23742977 - 10/16/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The last bill was terrible because it imposed up to 100$ tax on an eight of weed.

It clearly states in the new bill that the tax will be 10$ per ounce. This bill is good imo





where's the link to that bill


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