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danielx
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Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill?
#23737208 - 10/14/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The past few election cycles California has a thing for putting up trash legalization bills. While it feels counter intuitive voting against legalization, this bill feels like a steaming pile of shit.
From my interpretation its set up to make very few rich people money, and taxes go toward law enforcement agencies to continue waging their war on drugs. Im not ok with that. Taxes should enrich the state, not be given to police for more toys to lock people in cages.
Im on the fence though. Whats your take?
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: danielx] 2
#23737253 - 10/14/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you're waiting for the perfect bill to come along, marijuana will never be legalized. The "perfect" bill is never going to come along. You'll be waiting your entire life.
Nothing in politics is perfect. Politics is always about choosing the lesser of two evils, in this case choosing taxation over criminalization.
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: danielx]
#23737515 - 10/14/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The police department is part of the state. Thus by enriching the police department, you are enriching the state.
The bill provided allows you to grow your own marijuana, which is better than some of the legalization proposals thus far (People in Washington still can't grow, right?). Isn't that by itself good enough reason to vote for it?
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23737542 - 10/14/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: falsereality]
#23737603 - 10/14/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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falsereality said: Prop 64 is a pretty sweat deal regardless of how you look at it. https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_64,_Marijuana_Legalization_(2016)
I completely agree. If this gets voted no it'll be another 3 years before another bill you don't like comes along.
This is the best chance we will get for cannabis legalization. When people start making their own wax/hash it'll be dirt cheap
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#23737660 - 10/14/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyone from Arizona here and know much about our marijuana bill? The smoke shops here are passing out little pamphlets telling people not to vote for it because it would put them out of business. Apparently the bill would make it so only places that sell pot could sell pipes and bongs. I don't know if I have a problem with that, though the crackheads are going be shit out of luck finding a place to buy rollies and crackpipes in one stop.
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: nooneman]
#23737701 - 10/14/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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nooneman said: If you're waiting for the perfect bill to come along, marijuana will never be legalized. The "perfect" bill is never going to come along. You'll be waiting your entire life.
Nothing in politics is perfect. Politics is always about choosing the lesser of two evils, in this case choosing taxation over criminalization.
I feel you, but our medical system is pretty sweet as is. Honestly im alright with people making money, I just dont want this to fund bullshit like law enforcement and California Highway Patrol. Taxes should go into education, transportation, etc not propping up an agency whose sole purpose is to collect more taxes from citizens (tickets).
The problem with passing a shit bill is they are usually a lot harder to change retroactively once its law. I dont even smoke marijuana, but whats fair is fair.
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: danielx]
#23737708 - 10/14/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just vote yes.
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$2 million per year to the UC San Diego Center for Medical Cannabis Research to study medical marijuana. $10 million per year for 11 years for public California universities to research and evaluate the implementation and impact of Proposition 64. Researchers would make policy-change recommendations to the California Legislature and California Governor. $3 million annually for five years to the Department of the California Highway Patrol for developing protocols to determine whether a vehicle driver is impaired due to marijuana consumption. $10 million, increasing each year by $10 million until settling at $50 million in 2022, for grants to local health departments and community-based nonprofits supporting "job placement, mental health treatment, substance use disorder treatment, system navigation services, legal services to address barriers to reentry, and linkages to medical care for communities disproportionately affected by past federal and state drug policies."
The remaining revenue would be distributed as follows:
60 percent for youth programs, including drug education, prevention, and treatment. 20 percent to prevent and alleviate environmental damage from illegal marijuana producers. 20 percent for programs designed to reduce driving under the influence of marijuana and a grant program designed to reduce negative impacts on health or safety resulting from the proposition.
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: falsereality]
#23737729 - 10/14/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why are you facepalming? These are legitimate concerns. Do you even live in California?
Putting money into bullshit drug prevention is a law enforcement wet dream. Do you even know what these law enforcement agencies will do with the money? That money will be used to keep fueling the war on drugs.
Not to mention I have many friends who run dispensaries here and they claim the bill will fuck them and every other small grass roots growers.
This bill might be better for the average everyday citizen who wants to smoke a joint on a Friday night, but then again these people aren't hassled in California as it stands now anyway.
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: danielx]
#23737748 - 10/14/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This law will influence drug policy across America, so while I don't live in California I still do care. It's a pretty sensible bill that allocates money responsibly. It's a trade off, some money will be used for things you don't approve of, but on the flip side marijuana will be legal in the most populated state in the US.
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: danielx]
#23737766 - 10/14/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Weed is pretty much legal in CA anyways. I got my med card from the back of a music store, it doesn't get much more legal than that. I did a quick read through of the bill and it seems like the law enforcement money is supposed to go towards punishing people for driving while too high. Seems ok to me
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danielx
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: falsereality]
#23737777 - 10/14/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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We are going to have to agree to disagree about allocating money responsibly. I dont expect someone not from California to understand the social/political climate here though. Anything worth doing is worth doing right; however, im still on the fence.
Like someone said above, its pretty much already legal.
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: danielx] 1
#23738230 - 10/14/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I live in california and you're an idiot if you think it's "practically legal". MAYBE practically decriminalized but even that's a stretch.I use Mmj to treat a rare stomach condition, I used to take 7 pharmectials a day to just barely help my medical needs but gave me terrible side effects. Due to how illegal it is there are not many dispensaries in my area and even an hour away in L.A./ the valley there are tons but the cheapest grade A ounce costs anywhere from 200-500$ and I've had to spend 8 thousand$ in the last 2 years.
Right now there's a law in the Antellope Valley (my area) that dispensaries AND deliveries are specifically illegal since the beginning of this year. It outraged everyone . There's still 2 or 3 collectives that deliver despite the laws but it's gotten horrible. My dad and I (who's terminally Ill) have to live like cocaine addicts spending hand over fist for a medication that saved my liver and quality of life. And for my dad it's THE only treatment for his pain related to his terminal disease and he has to spend almost every dollar he has on medical marijuana.
If this is voted yes I and more importantly my father could get 100$ ounces instead of 300$ onunces. So a quarter pound (2 months of meds for me) would cost 400$ instead of 800-1,200$
Now this bill might have flaws in it but we need this for our economy right now, it's proven to introduce an entirely new job market. And Mmj patients that really need medical marijuana won't be poor as shit anymore because cannabis helps their medical condition.
When Oregon+Washington leagalized in the first year it brought in tons of money it's first year and each state since then has been benefited by it. If you think that's good then why not California? And what's specifically bad about this bill?
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#23738267 - 10/14/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh. I didn't realize it was hard to get in small cities. I pretty much just stay in the Bay Area unless I'm camping somewhere so it's everywhere here. And I just moved to California 8 months ago from Florida so to me this is weed haven. I'll probably vote to legalize after I read the bill more closely.
I'm sure you already thought about this, but can't you grow some and buy the rest. Or buy cheap weed, like sometimes this place I go to has really good deals on shake or good weed that doesn't look good.
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#23738310 - 10/14/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: And what's specifically bad about this bill?
Honest question, have you done much reading on the bill? The information is out there, I already talked about the specific reasons I dont like it in this thread. Most Californians in the scene ive talked to dont support it. Growers, dispensary owners, etc. But I live in a big city with hundreds of dispensaries, thousands of delivery services, and its all at your disposal for a $40 recommendation. Thats practically legal in my book.
I realize we could be waiting forever for the right bill though, so im on the fence.
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: danielx]
#23738400 - 10/14/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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as much as I hate cops I've had a lot of friends die in car accidents so I really feel no need to give them a hard time ever, plus I'm kind of biased against poor black neighborhoods too
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: Konyap]
#23738613 - 10/14/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's usually always under some conditions, and although I don't agree with some of those conditions, I think it's a fair deal for the most part..
I'm just not clear on one thing tho, are they going to tax those who grow for personal consumption as well?..
But yea I think alcohol is destroying our communities and I think this bill could changed that drastically.. So I say yes on 64.
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: danielx]
#23738708 - 10/14/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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danielx said:
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Seriously_trippin said: And what's specifically bad about this bill?
Honest question, have you done much reading on the bill? The information is out there, I already talked about the specific reasons I dont like it in this thread. Most Californians in the scene ive talked to dont support it. Growers, dispensary owners, etc. But I live in a big city with hundreds of dispensaries, thousands of delivery services, and its all at your disposal for a $40 recommendation. Thats practically legal in my book.
I realize we could be waiting forever for the right bill though, so im on the fence.
I can understand that and yeah I did read it, basically my thoughts on it . It adds to alot of standard public services and I think it's a good sign dispensaries who charge 200-300 an oz are scared about the bill. It says it's only going to only be 10$ an Ounce in tax . The medical marijuana committes(didn't know there were any) will be replaced with Just a Marijuana community. If you're in SoCal you know what the job market is like . It's brutal . Think of all the trim jobs and wax production .
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Re: Any Californians here want to give me their take on prop64 marijuana bill? [Re: danielx] 1
#23739799 - 10/15/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Imo small growers have been out of the game for a long while. To get a permitted dispensary you need in my local srea a million plus. Unless you are growing super top shelf you only break even when you factor in the overheads of production.
Im voting yes, it needs to be done for the entire country.
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