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    #23737059 - 10/14/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Just got my first grain jar to grow mycelium. Big win for me, in my noobishness. So anyway, here are my questions:


1. I only have about a nickle sized area of mycelium, so it has just started to consume the rye grains. How long until it colonizes the whole jar? I check on it every day, but at the rate its going, it looks like its going to take a long time. Any idea about how long its going to take? Its being stored in about 75 degrees F.

2. When transferring to a tin for colonizing the tin and growing the mushrooms, should I use rye grains in the tin, or can I just use anything I want? Like popcorn or birdseed.

3. I've heard mycelium can consume aluminum. What tins do you guys use? Anything special? Or just walmart cheapies?

Thanks in advance!


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: bennylava]
    #23737155 - 10/14/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

1. Its hard to say, if its at a constant 75 then it should take about 3 to 4 weeks depending on the size of your jars. sorry man :justdontknow:

2. I'd stick to the tek and just keep with rye.

3.  This is a weird one but Yes. This is a well know problem. Fungi can grow almost on any surface of all materials. It's the colonization that makes em grow, I wouldn't care about the type of metal, if you get the temp and hue right your rockin :awesomenod:


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: bennylava]
    #23737163 - 10/14/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Just got my first grain jar to grow mycelium. Big win for me, in my noobishness. So anyway, here are my questions:


1. I only have about a nickle sized area of mycelium, so it has just started to consume the rye grains. How long until it colonizes the whole jar? I check on it every day, but at the rate its going, it looks like its going to take a long time. Any idea about how long its going to take? Its being stored in about 75 degrees F.

2. When transferring to a tin for colonizing the tin and growing the mushrooms, should I use rye grains in the tin, or can I just use anything I want? Like popcorn or birdseed.

3. I've heard mycelium can consume aluminum. What tins do you guys use? Anything special? Or just walmart cheapies?

Thanks in advance!




1. 7-21 days, anywhere in between and sometimes more

2. I don't get this question. You have a grain jar......what grain? You wouldn't take a fully colonized grain jar and spawn it to a grain tray or tub. You would use coir

3. Plastic sterilite tubs are the norm but people use anything and everything from plastic Easter eggs,soda bottles all the way up to 108 quart tubs. How big is your mystery grain jar?

Humidity isn't the reason mushies grow, full colonization with surface evaporation is.


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: acidninja]
    #23737174 - 10/14/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Here's what you need to do:
1. Be patient!
2. Shake the jar once the mycelium has grown to a silver dollar sized area, this will put fresh mycelium all over the grains.
3. It usually takes me about a week after I shake to get full colonization.
4. Once colonized shake the jar again, breaking up the mycelium.
5. Do a grain to grain transfer in front of a flow hood, that would make that jar turn into about 9 quart jars.  Once those are colonized spawn to bulk, follow Damon5050 coir tek, can't go wrong.
6. Dehydrate and store properly


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: sdlocalkid85]
    #23737192 - 10/14/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Here's what you need to do:
1. Be patient!
2. Shake the jar once the mycelium has grown to a silver dollar sized area, this will put fresh mycelium all over the grains.
3. It usually takes me about a week after I shake to get full colonization.
4. Once colonized shake the jar again, breaking up the mycelium.
5. Do a grain to grain transfer in front of a flow hood, that would make that jar turn into about 9 quart jars.  Once those are colonized spawn to bulk, follow Damon5050 coir tek, can't go wrong.
6. Dehydrate and store properly




#5 he's asked in his #2 question if when spawning, does he spawn to more grain. No you do not spawn to more grain when you intend on fruiting. You would only spawn to more grain or transfer to more properly prepared grain if you wanted to increase the amount of grain spawn you have.


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23737194 - 10/14/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: acidninja]
    #23737202 - 10/14/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23737233 - 10/14/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Alright so let me get one thing straight:

When I spawn to more grain jars, or trays/tins or whatever, I have a leg up on the contamination, right? I'll sterilize using my PC, then I'll be able to open the lids to spawn into them, correct? How else would you use grain jars. So if you have to open the lid, that must mean you've got a real advantage over the contams, since you already have living mycelium. Does that sound about right?


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: bennylava]
    #23737537 - 10/14/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Alright so let me get one thing straight:

When I spawn to more grain jars, or trays/tins or whatever, I have a leg up on the contamination, right? I'll sterilize using my PC, then I'll be able to open the lids to spawn into them, correct? How else would you use grain jars. So if you have to open the lid, that must mean you've got a real advantage over the contams, since you already have living mycelium. Does that sound about right?




There's a distinct difference between grain to grain transfers and spawning to trays or tins.

Just because you have living mycelium doesn't mean there aren't hidden contaminants.
I'm assuming you went from multispore syringe to rye grain. More likely than not, the syringe was minutely contaminated, it doesn't matter if the vendor says they are 100% clean.

Yes you would PC new grains after proper prep and make single open lid transfers one at a time in a still air box or in front of a flow hood.

Grain jars are used for growing spawn, transferring grain spawn and used in the stone making process.

Having living mycelium on grain is much different than colonized pf tek cakes. Cakes are more resilient to contams but not contam proof.

In order to transfer grain spawn to other grain jars or bulk, you must first break up the grains thus weakening the mycelium network.


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23737619 - 10/14/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: acidninja]
    #23739119 - 10/15/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Alright thanks for the replies.


From what I've seen, if you want to spawn into more grain jars, you end up using all of the first jar.

Is there any reason I couldn't just use say, 1/4 of my first colonized jar, for spawning into other grain jars? And then use the other 3/4 that was left over, to make a fruit tray.

Its my first grow, so of course I'd like to get some mushrooms sooner rather than later.


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: bennylava]
    #23739125 - 10/15/16 03:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Alright thanks for the replies.


From what I've seen, if you want to spawn into more grain jars, you end up using all of the first jar.

Is there any reason I couldn't just use say, 1/4 of my first colonized jar, for spawning into other grain jars? And then use the other 3/4 that was left over, to make a fruit tray.

Its my first grow, so of course I'd like to get some mushrooms sooner rather than later.




Why don't you just spawn the jar, then take a print from a mushroom once it's fruiting. Then start another grow with that? If that makes any sense to you...
Pulling off a grain to grain transfer would be hard if you know so little about growing.

I suggest you read/study a lot more about growing.


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: bennylava]
    #23739234 - 10/15/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Its not difficult. I just have a few questions then I'll be on my way.


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: bennylava]
    #23739487 - 10/15/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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bennylava said:
Alright thanks for the replies.


From what I've seen, if you want to spawn into more grain jars, you end up using all of the first jar.

Is there any reason I couldn't just use say, 1/4 of my first colonized jar, for spawning into other grain jars? And then use the other 3/4 that was left over, to make a fruit tray.

Its my first grow, so of course I'd like to get some mushrooms sooner rather than later.




Yes when doing g2g, you would use 1 jar to make say, 10 new jars.
You could use a little from your jar to g2g and then the rest to fruit, but doing so will give you smaller yield.


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23741441 - 10/16/16 04:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes when doing g2g, you would use 1 jar to make say, 10 new jars.
You could use a little from your jar to g2g and then the rest to fruit, but doing so will give you smaller yield.





I'm curious as to how that is possible. Doesn't the mycelium just go ahead and fully colonize the substrate? How can less grains being used cause a smaller yield, if indeed the mycelium is just going to colonize everything it hasn't colonized already?


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: bennylava]
    #23741468 - 10/16/16 04:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes when doing g2g, you would use 1 jar to make say, 10 new jars.
You could use a little from your jar to g2g and then the rest to fruit, but doing so will give you smaller yield.





I'm curious as to how that is possible. Doesn't the mycelium just go ahead and fully colonize the substrate? How can less grains being used cause a smaller yield, if indeed the mycelium is just going to colonize everything it hasn't colonized already?



A greater surface area for the fruits like a monotub will give you bigger fruits and higher of a yield (depending on genetics, multispore, agar, monoculture etc...) if you use less grain spawn it will take a longgg time to colonize a large batch of substrate. You neccasarily wont get a lower yield. Dont use aluminum foil. So many holes will get eaten, waste of time IME. Stick to plastic containers. If you have 100% colonized mycelium jars, theres less likely of a chance for it to contam since its already an established network. The only way it will contam is if you dont prepare your substrate correctly. ALWAYS pasturize your substrate. That is the best way to avoid contams and all that. Damions bucket tek isnt technically pasturizing, its basically saying coir is so contam resistant that you dont need to pasturize which isnt true. Pasturizing is the proper way to ensure a clean substrate. Check out frankhorrigans (how to pasturize a coir/verm substrate).  Good luck


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: Kalsticky]
    #23741597 - 10/16/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You'll get a smaller yield because it takes longer to colonize the substrate, especially 2/3rds of a jar. The mycelium gets more of its energy from the grain than it does the substrate and subsequently uses more of it colonizing than fruiting. Not only that, the longer it takes to colonize, the higher your chances for contamination to take hold before the myc does.


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23741738 - 10/16/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Makes sense. So I could just save 1 little piece of mycelium, and use that to colonize another jar. (using the bulk of the jar to do a bulk grow in a tin) Sure it would take a long time, but if the grain jar was sterilized, it would be fine, correct?

And when that finally colonizes, THEN use a whole colonized jar to do a grain trasnfer to 4 more jars. Or should I just inject another grain jar, and start from scratch?


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Re: Noob grain transfer questions [Re: bennylava]
    #23741915 - 10/16/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

1 little piece is gonna take a while. Try it, while you make more grain to noc up.


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