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Mushroom Storage
    #23736127 - 10/14/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I recently bought mushrooms, and decided to stash them in my mini fridge. I have had 8 dried grams of mushrooms in a tall empty nug jug and it has been refrigerated for one week now. I am using my mini-fridge both as a stash spot and because I have read that they the cold preserves the potency of the shrooms better as long as your not letting them get wet in any way. I am careful about not letting in condensation when opening the container, and let the container slowly rise to room temperature before opening it. Also, I am keeping LSD in tin foil in a jar in my freezer as well for the same benefits. I am new to mushrooms and LSD, but people seem to have very different thoughts about freezing them. The fridge stays about 30-35F, as many of the drinks I have in there turn slushy with ice.  I plan on eating all of the mushrooms in the next 10 days. After reading some of the pros and cons of freezer storage, I still dont know if it is best to leave them in the fridge as they have been for a week, or if I should take them out and store them elsewhere? Let me know what I should do, any general tips on storage are appreciated, thanks!


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: PortabellaKindaGuy]
    #23736132 - 10/14/16 05:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Why using the fridge if they're dry and you want to consume all in 10 days ?


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23736139 - 10/14/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

As I mentioned in the post, for a stash spot and for reduction in loss of potency. The mushrooms will have been in there around two and a half weeks by the time I eat them. Also, I am storing LSD in there, which I plan on taking in the next few months, not weeks.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: PortabellaKindaGuy]
    #23736182 - 10/14/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: amidogen]
    #23736286 - 10/14/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

10 days won't reduce the potency any more than drying them in the first place does.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: 7munkee]
    #23736378 - 10/14/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: amidogen]
    #23736435 - 10/14/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think what he meant was that the potency isn't going to affected in 10days just as much as a dehydrator doesn't affect them when drying.

Anyway I've always been told that once cracker dry they should be stored at room temp in a dark place.

My method

  • Fan dry for 2 days, No, I don't have a dehydrator I'm poor af ok
  • store in an air tight jar with disseccant packets
  • store that jar in my cupboard as thats where temps are most stable


Never had any issues with this method and I've stored them for months on end this way.

I THINK the rule of thumb is that if you're not going to consume in the next 6 months it would be better to store them in the freezer and then make tea seeing as they turn into mush in the freezer


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: Rosen_Rot] * 1
    #23736675 - 10/14/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think sometimes we get overzealous and forget that any form of drying at all reduces the potency.  Heat just doesn't negatively affect that.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: Inocuole]
    #23736693 - 10/14/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Forgive me but I am not sure I understood that.

So any form of drying reduces potency apart from heat?


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #23737089 - 10/14/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So this leads me to ask.... If my mushrooms have been in my mini-fridge for about a week, should I take them out and put them in a jar in a cabinet at this point? I plan on eating them in the next week or two, so its not long term storage. Would you recommend taking them out or leaving them in the fridge?


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: PortabellaKindaGuy]
    #23737286 - 10/14/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Leave then there if they are being eaten soon. Unless you wanna store them long term then they need drying


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23737301 - 10/14/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have stored mushrooms in a ziplock bag that I threw in a drawer for 2 and a half years and they did not loose a significant amount of potency. They of course took on atmospheric moisture and were no longer 'cracker dry' for most of that time as well, I did nothing to safe guard against that. I wouldn't worry about it really.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: krypto2000]
    #23737364 - 10/14/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Be careful of putting shrooms in the fridge. It is usually very moist in there and this can enter leaks in the ziplock bags (there are ALWAYS leaks) and remoisturize your mushrooms. I would only do that if they are in vacuum sealed packages.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: herrenvolk]
    #23737401 - 10/14/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i'm storing mine in 1/2 gal canning jars.  Latch, rubber gasket, should these be OK or should I get a vacuum sealer?


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #23737485 - 10/14/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Forgive me but I am not sure I understood that.

So any form of drying reduces potency apart from heat?




Any form of drying reduces potency including heat.  Fresh is more potent than dry.

Heat just doesn't negatively affect potency moreso than the act of drying itself.

Also two more weeks is too long.  Either dry them now or eat them now.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: Llwr]
    #23737490 - 10/14/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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get a vacuum sealer?



do that if you can afford one. You wont regret it. They'll be cracker dry for very, very long time..i like to throw in some O2 absorbers and desiccant packs for extra measure...


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: Inocuole]
    #23737596 - 10/14/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Forgive me but I am not sure I understood that.

So any form of drying reduces potency apart from heat?




Any form of drying reduces potency including heat.  Fresh is more potent than dry.

Heat just doesn't negatively affect potency moreso than the act of drying itself.

Also two more weeks is too long.  Either dry them now or eat them now.




Not quite true, freeze drying should have a negligible impact on the alkaloid content. Although even in a dehydrator with heat you're not losing much anyway, most of the psilocin remains ime, and psilocybin should not be affected at all.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: krypto2000]
    #23737601 - 10/14/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Who has a freeze drying set up though?


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23737622 - 10/14/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I wish I did, that would sure be awesome.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: PortabellaKindaGuy]
    #24115683 - 02/24/17 09:37 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

So I'm doing a bulk grow currently and I plan to vacuum seal and store my shrooms in a dark cool place for possibly 3+ months. My only question is, would throwing in a packet of desiccant found in a shoe box help in any way? Or is the vacuum seal enough to keep them dry? Also when using a vacuum sealer is it really necessary to use the special and expensive bags that are sold? Or can a regular zip loc or something else be used? I Mean it just pulls out the air and melts the opening closed right?


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: Drshroomy88]
    #24115714 - 02/24/17 09:49 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

It wont hurt it. Im presuming you are thoroughly drying them first right?


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24115743 - 02/24/17 09:55 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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It wont hurt it. Im presuming you are thoroughly drying them first right?




Ok good to know! Yes I use a dehydrator until they are cracker dry! Also do they need to cool off before I vacuum seal? Also will the desiccant packet be harmful if it touches the shrooms? I know there are some foods like beef jerky that contain packets that actually touch the jerky or does that depend on the packet?


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: Drshroomy88]
    #24115874 - 02/24/17 10:50 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

only reason you "cant eat" desiccant packs is b/c they're a "choking hazard", if you ate the silica you'd be fine.. it wouldn't dry you out from the inside.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #24115886 - 02/24/17 10:55 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid: silica is basically sand iirc. Not poisonous
as for sealing them hot probably wont matter but I doubt it would absorb much water if you let it cooldown. If it is sealed while still hot all I imagine would happen is the sealed bag may pull more vacuum as iit cools.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #24115890 - 02/24/17 10:57 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Well, that and silica is toxic.

edit: source: https://www.realself.com/question/symptoms-silicone-poisoning-breast-implants#! I don't know how much you'd have to eat, but it's not totally benign.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: krypto2000]
    #24115897 - 02/24/17 11:02 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Silica is an additive in food products as an anticaking agent surely youd need to eat a fuck load to get poisoning


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24115916 - 02/24/17 11:12 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

and i get PMs and people wondering why i wrote this damn thing:mushroom2:

why are people over complicating something so fucking basic. you dry them with high heat and quickly
as you can so the actives do not degrade. once they are 100% cracker dry the actives will stay active
for a loooooong time.

ive eaten shrooms that i dried and stored ranging from a few days after drying to a few months.
i gave a buddy of mine some dried shrooms that i had from maybe 7 or 8  years ago.

he said they worked juuuust fine.:thumbup:

the only time ive ever had issues with storage/fucked up shrooms was when i gave this guy fresh shrooms
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the mushrooms basically melted and turned to shroomjelly and he tried to say it was because i gave
him moldy shrooms. and i should of fan dried them.

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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24115926 - 02/24/17 11:17 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Silica is an additive in food products as an anticaking agent surely youd need to eat a fuck load to get poisoning



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water isn't even entirely benign...just dont drink alot without pissing and you're good. "It's the dose that makes the poison" you can eat a bit of silica without any problems.
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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: krypto2000]
    #24115930 - 02/24/17 11:19 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Well, that and silica is toxic.

edit: source: https://www.realself.com/question/symptoms-silicone-poisoning-breast-implants#! I don't know how much you'd have to eat, but it's not totally benign.



also siliCONE and siliCA are different.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #24115934 - 02/24/17 11:23 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

:facepalm:

Behold, the predicted Resurrection.

No, the pacs won't help.

Yes, the sealed bags will not let moisture in.

Yes, you have to use the specific bags.

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    #24115940 - 02/24/17 11:24 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Behold, the predicted Resurrection.

No, the pacs won't help.
^^wrong.

Yes, the sealed bags will not let moisture in.

Yes, you have to use the specific bags.

No, you cannot use ziplocs.
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    #24115944 - 02/24/17 11:26 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, if the mushrooms go straight from the dehydrator to a sealed environment with no air and no chance for air to get in, the pacs will not help regulate moisture that is already absent.  :shrug:


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    #24115947 - 02/24/17 11:28 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Also, where is this information about being able to use ziplocs in the vaccume sealers?


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    #24115972 - 02/24/17 11:42 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Yah, you guys are right about silica being non toxic, I looked at that link too hastily and didn't realize it was talking about silicone.

Ime ziplocks do not work, I have no link on it, but they just don't. They seal okay, but no vacuum gets pulled on them and they are thin enough to allow air to permeate over time anyway. The vacuum sealer bags are not expensive, especially compared to what you're putting in them, don't be cheap to try to save literally 5$ while risking hundreds or even thousands of dollars of product.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: krypto2000] * 1
    #24115990 - 02/24/17 11:50 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

my vacuum is a ziplock bag and a straw with a polyfil filter and i suck the air out.

but i really need a vacuum sealer.

anyone growing over a few dried oz is going to need one at some point. mushrooms tend to pile up quick.


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: Drshroomy88]
    #24116014 - 02/24/17 12:00 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Also when using a vacuum sealer is it really necessary to use the special and expensive bags that are sold? Or can a regular zip loc or something else be used? I Mean it just pulls out the air and melts the opening closed right?




:facepalm:

Guys, I was responding to this specific question about ziplocs.  I was saying that they cannot be used in a vacuum sealer.


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    #24116070 - 02/24/17 12:27 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

ha. you were.

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I could have made that clearer, missed out on that whole second page thing.  Whoops...


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    #24116092 - 02/24/17 12:36 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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my vacuum is a ziplock bag and a straw with a polyfil filter and i suck the air out.

but i really need a vacuum sealer.

anyone growing over a few dried oz is going to need one at some point. mushrooms tend to pile up quick.





Ha! You know its funny I do this too, I suck the air out and impulse seal.
Actually, I doubt you could tell the difference between mine and one done with a proper vacuum.
Its only practical on small bags


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Re: Mushroom Storage [Re: mushpunx]
    #24116114 - 02/24/17 12:47 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

yah im just talking half or oz sized ziplocks.

i almost inhaled the filter/shroom shake from the forced needed to suck all the air out of a gallon freezer bag.


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    #24124327 - 02/27/17 06:05 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I suck the air out of my Ziploc bags with a straw, but they never remain air-tight. Ziplocs are an inherently porous object so I don't expect them to. But if I double bag them and toss them in another big gallon freezer Zip, they'll often remain fairly air-tight.

I usually prefer to put them in bigger jars with the rubber gasket and flip-lock on them. I can usually get like 4-5 ounces of them in there, depending on fruit size. My quart Mason jars can usually fit around 2oz in there.

Very often the fruits wil poke tiny holes in the Zips and let air in. And if you're sucking air out of bags with small fruits, they often break them quite a bit. I've heard several people say those plastic air-tight cereal boxes work, but I've never bought them.


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