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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: qman] 1
#23739560 - 10/15/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Using your logic, we shouldnt stop illegal immigration because it will harm the GDP to debt ratio.
No, illegals do harm debt to GDP.
You miss the point.
If we cant raise taxes on the rich, then we shouldnt deport illegals. For the same reason.
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: qman]
#23739960 - 10/15/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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qman said: If we follow your line of reasoning, we should take in the worlds sick and leave the US taxpayer with the bill, this country can't afford it since we're already broke.
The bill for what exactly?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: ...illegals don't come here to smash windows. They come to grow our food, to clean our houses, to build things, and many, many other quality GDP contributions.
Is taking jobs away from US citizens a "contribution"?
I'll explain this once again since you seem to have forgotten. There is not a fixed number of jobs. The more people that contribute to society, the more people get paid, the more that spend money, the more jobs are created. That's why unemployment doesn't go up as population rises.
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qman said: What about lowering the wages of US citizens?
I'll explain this once again since you seem to have forgotten. Unemployment is currently back to normal, including U6. There isn't currently an excess supply of labor, so the labor pool isn't what's keeping wages down.
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23740285 - 10/15/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Using your logic, we shouldnt stop illegal immigration because it will harm the GDP to debt ratio.
No, illegals do harm debt to GDP.
You miss the point.
If we cant raise taxes on the rich, then we shouldnt deport illegals. For the same reason.
What reason?
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23740297 - 10/15/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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qman said: If we follow your line of reasoning, we should take in the worlds sick and leave the US taxpayer with the bill, this country can't afford it since we're already broke.
The bill for what exactly?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: ...illegals don't come here to smash windows. They come to grow our food, to clean our houses, to build things, and many, many other quality GDP contributions.
Is taking jobs away from US citizens a "contribution"?
I'll explain this once again since you seem to have forgotten. There is not a fixed number of jobs. The more people that contribute to society, the more people get paid, the more that spend money, the more jobs are created. That's why unemployment doesn't go up as population rises.
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qman said: What about lowering the wages of US citizens?
I'll explain this once again since you seem to have forgotten. Unemployment is currently back to normal, including U6. There isn't currently an excess supply of labor, so the labor pool isn't what's keeping wages down.
"The bill"
For free health care and the million other freebies they leech off of the US taxpayer.
"There is not a fixed number of jobs"
In many industries there is a FIXED number jobs, do you think GE or Ford start hiring more people when illegals come over the border?
"There isn't currently an excess pool of labor"
Total nonsense.
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: qman]
#23740787 - 10/15/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: They sank a UAE flagged ship a couple of weeks ago and also previously fired at us ships. It's not our fucking fault. Take it to the conspiracy forum if you think it is us trying to stir up trouble. Jesus christ.
Do you think it's actually Yemen that wants to play with the big buys, or are they acting on someone elses behalf.
They are funded by Iran. you know, the Iran that Ball-less Bama just gave a shitload of our money too? Where do you think that money goes? Hmmmmm....radar stations and anti-ship missiles in Yemen?
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: starfire_xes]
#23740796 - 10/15/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yemen, Arabic Mogadishu .. fuck those sand mohhwts..
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: orison] 1
#23741011 - 10/15/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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qman said: If we follow your line of reasoning, we should take in the worlds sick and leave the US taxpayer with the bill, this country can't afford it since we're already broke.
The bill for what exactly?
For free health care and the million other freebies they leech off of the US taxpayer.
Illegals don't get free healthcare. Emergency rooms have to treat them if they come in with life threatening injuries, but it's most certainly NOT free. Sure some people can't afford to pay, so what do you want to do with them, let them die? (maybe I shouldn't ask someone who hates immigrants)
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I'll explain this once again since you seem to have forgotten. There is not a fixed number of jobs. The more people that contribute to society, the more people get paid, the more that spend money, the more jobs are created. That's why unemployment doesn't go up as population rises.
In many industries there is a FIXED number jobs, do you think GE or Ford start hiring more people when illegals come over the border?
No. They start hiring more people when immigrants buy their cars they otherwise couldn't afford. 
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qman said: What about lowering the wages of US citizens?
I'll explain this once again since you seem to have forgotten. Unemployment is currently back to normal, including U6. There isn't currently an excess supply of labor, so the labor pool isn't what's keeping wages down.
Total nonsense.
How do measure if the labor market is tight or not? Unemployment. I've shown over and over and over that unemployment, including U6 is back to normal. I've also provided many other reasons why people are being underpaid.
Your hatred of immigrants trumps your logic. Either prove illegals are taking jobs while not creating new ones, or stop your make believe conservative nonsense.
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23741635 - 10/16/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Illegals don't get free healthcare...people can't afford to pay"

"start hiring more people when immigrants buy their cars"
Yeah, picking fruit and cleaning toilets for $6 per hour really has Ford cranking up the production line. 
"How do you measure if the labor market is tight or not?"
Like people in the business world always have- WAGES!!!
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: qman] 1
#23741703 - 10/16/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Using your logic, we shouldnt stop illegal immigration because it will harm the GDP to debt ratio.
No, illegals do harm debt to GDP.
You miss the point.
If we cant raise taxes on the rich, then we shouldnt deport illegals. For the same reason.
What reason?
Because itll hurt the economy
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23742262 - 10/16/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why doesn't someone get this back on topic? The Houthis fired at a US Ship again this morning, and unamed whitehouse sources said even the most optimistic of administration officials are beginning to say that the deal with Iran was a big mistake.
I TOLD YOU SO.
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: starfire_xes] 2
#23742278 - 10/16/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What does the Iran deal have to do with rebels in Iran, other than that they are both Shia muslims?
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23742347 - 10/16/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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How do you think the rebels get their money for weapons?
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: starfire_xes]
#23742644 - 10/16/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The same way the Yemeni government does.
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23743044 - 10/16/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What the deal with Iran had to do with it is that the US gave them CASH. That is the preferred method for international arms dealings.
face it, Ball-less Bama and John Crappy blew it with probably the worst strategic deal in the last 50 years. Bama doesn't know shit about international relationships.
And don't cry 'but the republicans....' because those fucking morons don't have the balls to stop the nonsense, they are complicit.
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: starfire_xes]
#23743589 - 10/16/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly I think the Iran deal was made to set them up for failure.
"Here's your chance to have a clean nuclear program."
two years later..."welp we found evidence of WMD we gotta invade. Whats that, international community? Oh no, no, we gave them a chance! And they terrorist'd!"
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23743593 - 10/16/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shit or maybe we did it to force the Saudis to keep buying weapons from us. Who knows.
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23743676 - 10/16/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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How about apply9ing OCCam's Razor? Obama is a fucking clueless idiot who doesn't know what he is doing or who he is dealing with?
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: starfire_xes]
#23743699 - 10/16/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Obama isnt making these decisions on his own.
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: qman]
#23743737 - 10/16/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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qman said: "Illegals don't get free healthcare...people can't afford to pay"

Again, it's NOT free, so stop being deceptive. Some people can't afford it, and the same is true for American citizens. Do you think we should let those people die?!?
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qman said: Yeah, picking fruit and cleaning toilets for $6 per hour really has Ford cranking up the production line. 
Most make well over $6/hour so stop being deceptive. And yes, even people who earn $15,000 a year spend money. Probably damn near ALL of the money they make.
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qman said: "How do you measure if the labor market is tight or not?"
Like people in the business world always have- WAGES!!!
I AM in the business world, and I know that income has little to do with how tight the labor market or how much a person is worth to a company. Corporations have tables that tell them what they should pay someone based solely on their profession. If you're a fast food worker, you get close to minimum wage, regardless of how much you make for your company, etc. The only thing that's going to change those tables is stronger union representation, or a higher minimum wage.
PLUS, I've already shown with empirical evidence that there is NO CORRELATION between unemployment and wages:

However, there is a HUGE correlation between union membership and income inequality:

Please provide evidence to support your claims or stop making them up.
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Re: US Warships Now Shelling Yemen "In Self Defense" [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23743816 - 10/16/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Why doesn't someone get this back on topic? The Houthis fired at a US Ship again this morning, and unamed whitehouse sources said even the most optimistic of administration officials are beginning to say that the deal with Iran was a big mistake.
I TOLD YOU SO. 
What does the Iran deal have to do with rebels in Iran, other than that they are both Shia muslims?
Exactly. It's not like this wouldn't have happened without the US money.
This is a serious incident - the big question is whether we're trying to enter a war with Yemen, or the other way around. I SERIOUSLY doubt it's the latter.
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