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Do you believe in Jesus?
#23735016 - 10/13/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you believe in Jesus Christ? He is one with all form and formlessness. Ommmm. Enjoy my video
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: Cosmicjoker] 1
#23735280 - 10/13/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe that Jesus might be several things.
One of those things is a state of mind/consciousness, another is an example to follow, another is an alien, another is a prophet, another is a crazy guy claiming to be the son of God, another is a complete myth used to enslave peoples minds to the church.
So I think Jesus falls somewhere in there.
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: Lucis]
#23735826 - 10/14/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does wisdom mean you know when you are mistaken..well maybe...unless your perfect, than true..yes wisdom is recognizing a mistake for what it is..in the Heart of God as a Child..I cry everyday for what I did to Gregory McMillan...
Which is Satan..or otherwise a Devil in Disguise...or into and out of the conditions of Eden..in and out of the atmosphere..people are looking for closure..on the Knowledge of Good and Evil..and that chants are up..in prayers..for the prayer circle of divinity..is right here inside us..and so Angels Hold us up for what we are..and all interceptions..and all interruptions...and a degree called Jeet Kun Do..is what it is..it can be broken down to its more formidable parts..for what it is in the code of today in the Boaz and Jachin..which is a great degree indeed for the speed of time..to get allayed..indeed is the reality of most drug users...an escape from reality...but we also rely on them to form thoughts for us..that nowhere else could travel..by the speed of light I love Margaret Long..and being yourself..removes guilt imediitely..
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: Cosmicjoker]
#23735926 - 10/14/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Last thing I want to do is hurt and offend people but you asked a question. I believe that Jesus is Lucifer.
He claims to be YHWH in the flesh and wants people to believe in him but he has the EXACT opposite traits of his "supposed" father.
ONE (of the many examples), YHWH from the old testament is against human sacrifice....
Jesus, from the new testament, then claims that his father gave him up as a sacrifice unto the world to absolve all sins....
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Leviticus969 said: I believe that Jesus is Lucifer.
Wouldn't the best evidence be how they're both called the morning star?
I have thought this many times.
I was raised Christian, like hardcore Christian, I wasn't allowed to watch fantasy movies until I got older, everything of the secular world was of the devil in my moms eyes, I think she was going overboard because of having to deal with her own shortcomings from her failed marriage, and having abusive parents herself, so I don't hold that against her.
Anyway, I have never felt so alone, so judged, so reviled, as when I tried to be a Christian. But when I meditated and Lucifer came into my mind, for extended periods of time after that I was lifted up, my physical energy was incredible, my mind was sharp as a knife, I felt like I was actually in the presence of something with true power, like how many people say Jesus is supposed to make you feel, but was feeling that from Lucifer, and I knew it was the Light Bringer because he made himself known to me in my minds eye during meditation, and he was beautiful, with a halo of rainbow light above/behind his head, he was everything angelic beings are described as, he was stunning and radiant.
Jesus made me feel guilty, dead inside, like a demonic force which was corrupting me, which blew my mind because it was the opposite of what I was supposed to feel, at least that was what I was told. I spoke with Christians after those meditation experiences, and allowing Lucifer some sway in my life, and I was told I was deceived, and of course he made me feel that way because he was a liar. But the thing is, I didn't feel like going out and doing wrong, I felt like being the best human I could ever be from Lucifer's light, like it was illuminating my whole being with energy, my thoughts were open, I thought of bringing others out of darkness into Lucifer's radiance, to be a light bringer myself, to shed light but not to master.
It doesn't make sense to me that Jesus would be the way and the light of the world because he's so readily available on every street corner via churches, and nothing in this world which is good, is so readily available. Take a look at medicinal plants for instance, marijuana, psychedelics, they're all demonized because they're the real medicines we need to fix our sick society. So the church/Jesus is the poison which is pushed on us by years of mind manipulation, where people think it's the right thing to serve the Christian deities, but in reality they're investing in poison for their soul, it's brilliant, sick, but brilliant for the powers that run this world to make things this way, if that is in fact how things work.
It's an interesting thought.
The only truth which holds sway in my life, is the truth that Love is supreme, the supreme deity, and one can experience this feeling from whatever religion/spiritual practice they choose, none of the religions are 100% correct, just practice what you practice with Love in your heart, and Love motivating your actions, and you have chosen the proper path.
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: Lucis] 1
#23737053 - 10/14/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: Lucis]
#23737201 - 10/14/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes. Love is the ultimate truth. The religion I practice is from the old testament. I follow YHWH as my God. He is the epitome of what love/truth is.
Jesus/Lucifer is also a god of love... don't get me wrong. It's a different kind of love. Their love is more about acceptance, no matter how evil the person is even if they are about to kill you you're supposed to love them. Yes that sounds dandy on the surface but think about that and let it soak in for a sec.... You're supposed to accept evil and let it destroy the world at the same time kind of love????
YHWH is more about doing what's right. He's more about spanking you when you act out of line. Why? So you can learn what not to do. To teach a kid how to live a proper and happy life. Yes, kids need spanking. Have you ever seen a kid that never gets yelled at, never gets hit? Have you witnessed parents that never scold their kids? They get extremely spoiled and most of the time are extremely rude thinking they can do and get away with whatever they want. I would describe those parents as followers of Jesus/Lucifer.
In order to really find out what is proper to do versus what's not proper though you'll have to read the old testament. YHWH is quite forgiving and he's not as harsh as many people make him out to be.
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The bible talks about Lucifer ONCE in the bible.
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12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
I consider Lucifer a title and not an actual person.
To identify a Luciferian they must have these following traits:
1. To once be in heaven, meaning they were once favored by YHWH.
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How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
2. A person that weakens the nations Quote:
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
3. Someone trying to be their own God/someone trying to be BETTER than God.
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For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
So anyone can fit those descriptions.... Anyone could be Lucifer or Luciferian.
But let's see now... Does Jesus fit that description? Can he hold the title Lucifer?
1. YHWH felt bad for Jesus because he was a poor righteous man. He was favored as the suffering servant mentioned in Isaiah 53.. So YHWH gave him powers and helped him out through life. THat's what it means to be once in heaven.
2. Jesus weakened the nations.... Why and how? After YHWH gave him powers, he claimed to be God himself. He went around telling people that he was God. He got a good amount of people to believe in him, Jesus, versus the true Creator and God of the universe, YHWH. Jesus taught in opposition to YHWH and lead people to live in falsehood and lies. He weakened the nations.
3. As mentioned above.... Jesus was pretty much trying to be better than God by teaching his own ways as the truth. But it wasn't the truth and that's why there is still poverty, destruction, slavery, war, etc.
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They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: Lucis]
#23739186 - 10/15/16 05:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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we agree how the Morning Star and Evening Star are related to both 'Jesus' and 'Lucifer' in the Bible.
I cut the crap, post reading The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, by John Allegro, and other sources, and know now that really these mythical characters are in reality (though this has been hidden to the gullible believers who believe in myth literally) personifcations of the psychoactive fungi

Same is so with the mythical characters in Eastern religions, Indra, Shiva, Krishna, etc
Even the so-called 'Buddha', named as Gautama Siddharta, we can find what looks like covert suggestion of mushrooms, to do with his name, as well as his death suppsed to have been caused by poisonous mushrooms!
So, if understood, we are then left with the interpretations these belief systems have of the mushrooms and the experiences they had/have.
For me, if their mythology is rooted in solar mythos, which is how I see both Christianity and Luciferianism being, then I am not for it, because I see it as dualistic and destructive. For example the ruling class causing all the insane poisonous destruction of the world follow various forms Luciferianism/Satanism, but also find social controlling use for their Abrahamic religions, and Eastern religions, and materialism, and their promised world is posthumanism!
I question all of their branches of social control which is like an octopus. In that you are presented with false choices which are set to trap you in the same thinking which maintains their control over us and nature.
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: zzripz]
#23739372 - 10/15/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you mean the apex human, yeah, I do believe.
He must have one chiseled fuckin' jawline.
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: zzripz]
#23739893 - 10/15/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
I question all of their branches of social control which is like an octopus. In that you are presented with false choices which are set to trap you in the same thinking which maintains their control over us and nature.
I feel the same way, which is why for myself, I feel better when not choosing any set religion to follow, but learning from everything instead. So far I have seen some truths in all the spiritual practices I have read about, and have been able to apply those lessons to my life, and view them as just that, lessons to help me grow and that is all.
I feel like there's power in not choosing, and like you said zzripz, once someone chooses a religion to follow they shackle their being to that thing, and often times allow that religion to have an influence in their lives regarding serious matters, they choose to do things that if they were to just sit an think about with a logical mind for a minute, they wouldn't do (zealots).
I have seen religious people disown their own family members for being different, as I am sure many of you have seen something similar, all because their God told them too, that seems like insanity to me.
Many religious people use their religion as a vehicle to let out their inner demons onto people they don't like, rather than taking a logical approach, and sitting down and working their problems out like humans should be doing, they get blinded by their faith. They can see the person in front of them and wont listen to their side of the story and try to work through their issues, but the thing they choose to listen to is the one they can't see (God), that makes no sense, and I feel like people that follow religions so closely like that are not willing to work on bettering themselves because they can pawn all their short comings off on God, rather than actually taking the time to become something greater on their own. They justify their poor actions by saying "I prayed about it" or "God will forgive me" but their actions often never change, so they're abusing their faith for their own agenda.
If you were in a community, and two people had a disagreement, I bet you most people would agree more with the person who was an avid church attendee, it's like people use their religious affiliation as a badge that says "I can get away with some things because I am Christian".
I know this isn't always the case, and some religious followers are great people with no agenda other than bettering themselves, and the community around them, but it seems like the majority of them are mislead.
I feel that this world is full of energies(?), and they try to get their meat hooks into you to choose, choose your religion, choose what subculture you're going to be a part of, choose your sexuality, choose, choose, choose, I don't want to choose, I only want to be, and to radiate love and understanding from a pure source not tainted with religious bonds, not polluted with labels, a genuine love for each and everyone one of you, for all of mankind. This is hard to do because of human conditioning, but I hope I can become greater, not greater in an egotistical way, but greater so that I can help as many people as I can, this is a passion of mine, and I fail all the time, but from my failures I learn, pick myself up, and keep moving forward because each and everyone one of you is worth it, and I love you all.
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: Lucis]
#23741035 - 10/15/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Christ/Lucifer --> morning star --> Venus --> love
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: Lucis]
#23744529 - 10/17/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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'Christ' is formless.
It existed before the birth of Jesus and is a part of everyone.
The collective of all Christ fragments is the Sonship.
Jesus was a name given to a baby who grew to communicate Christ.
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I don't believe it is at all like modern Jesus worshipping. Modern worship is people giving power to the church politically.
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23745061 - 10/17/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: I don't believe it is at all like modern Jesus worshipping. Modern worship is people giving power to the church politically.
It's been like that for a very long time.
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Re: Do you believe in Jesus? [Re: Lucis]
#23745665 - 10/17/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Exactly, the Vatican church sits on thrones of gold and graven images while people give them money. It's all intentional. The Catholics and Christians believe in christ and the head of the organizations want you to believe in Christ also. WHy you ask? Because..... They want you to be obedient disposable slaves
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Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone would come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me.
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Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”
So here on one hand we have YHWH the Father in the Old testament saying to keep his commandments and prolong your life and on the other hand we have Lucifer saying.... Don't keep my Fathers commandments and die.
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Dude you're totally misrepresenting that out of context. He doesn't say don't keep the commandments, Jesus is the one who answers in the first place "keep the commandments" to reach the kingdom. Theen, after the rich guy says that he does, Jesus says well the one thing that's in the way is all your possessions.
Just sayin'
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Leviticus969 said: Exactly, the Vatican church sits on thrones of gold and graven images while people give them money. It's all intentional. The Catholics and Christians believe in christ and the head of the organizations want you to believe in Christ also. WHy you ask? Because..... They want you to be obedient disposable slaves
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Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone would come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me.
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Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”
So here on one hand we have YHWH the Father in the Old testament saying to keep his commandments and prolong your life and on the other hand we have Lucifer saying.... Don't keep my Fathers commandments and die.
We do not need to be a Catholic or Christian to believe in Christ.
Christ is a messianism consciousness. It is the same consciousness which is 'Buddah'.
The Ten Commandments are simply moral values to abide by so that we can acquire or maintain purity to find Christ (The Kingdom).
The entire will of YHWH is to evoke human consciousness to YESHUA (Assigned to Jesus and meaning 'Deliver) to return to Him - not prolonging life, but leading a humble one which results in the said enlightenment.
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Thanks for all responses I read through them. - anyone like the video????
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Things are oh so much more complicated these days. I like Osho for his simple method of stating a perceived perspective. I think he could of been more powerful but for some reason wasn't.
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