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Llwr



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question regarding open caps
#23734591 - 10/13/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe it is generally accepted that the best time to harvest is as the veil is tearing. My question is why do I always see these pictures of wide open caps?
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Mad Season
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Re: question regarding open caps [Re: Llwr] 1
#23734608 - 10/13/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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People harvest when they want to? sometimes people get home late as well.
I personally always aim for just after the veil tears
 
I just wipe small amounts of spores on caps with paper towel before going into the dehydrator.
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Re: question regarding open caps [Re: Mad Season]
#23734682 - 10/13/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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After the veil breaks the mushroom cap bulks up and swells resulting in more weight...picking as veil is breaking keeps the rest of your fruit from being dusted..I'm not sure if I'm correct but I'm under the impression the the fruit has reached maximum psylisibin to weight ratio and any weight gain after is just that pointless weight wich some people who arn't keeping their fruit for personal use want
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Re: question regarding open caps [Re: Llwr] 1
#23734717 - 10/13/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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personally, i like to harvest when they look like little puffballs on a stick....it's all preference.



sometimes if i don't get around to it in time it'll look like this...

again, all pretty much just preference.
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Kizzle
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There's nothing wrong with letting the caps open and some find open caps a little more pleasing to the eye for what it's worth. There's not a lot time between the cap opening and a mess of spores being dropped though so picking them when the veil tears reduces the chance of that happening. In terms of potency I don't think there's significant difference, at least not if you're planning to dry them.
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Re: question regarding open caps [Re: Kizzle]
#23735221 - 10/13/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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definitely nothing wrong with that! beauty is in the eye of the beholder, i just personally like the look of them when they're in the unopened stage.
haha i feel like as long as you don't let them rot theres really no wrong time to pick (: tomato tomato kinda thing haha
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7munkee
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I don't pick them until the veil rips, then they come put as soon as I see it. Occasionaly I miss the moment, but itsno big deal for potency. A wet shroom with an open veil is more potent than the same mushroom dry with closed. I prefer to eat mine fresh.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: question regarding open caps [Re: Kizzle]
#23736373 - 10/14/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: In terms of potency I don't think there's significant difference, at least not if you're planning to dry them.
This.
Mine always like to open when I'm either sleeping or at work.
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Frommer
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Re: question regarding open caps [Re: Llwr]
#23736651 - 10/14/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I am a noob also, however I have spent hours reading about closed vs open cap harvest.
This is what I have to offer, corrections are welcome.
No actual test results on pre/post veil Ps.% is recorded. When the veil tears in most cases the cap is starting to open up. The opening of the cap can in some cases be the cap stretching out(not growing), meaning weight added may not be significant. The theory of as the veil breaks was coined by P. stamets(Could not find earlier mention). He based his theory on the general observation that most edible mushrooms loose taste and aroma post veil break. Indicating the mushroom is now past the peak of its life and is beginning to degrade. Based on mushrooms having similar traits, despite not having proof Stamets concurred cubensis should behave in a similar fashion. The reduction of spores released was also favorable.
Despite all that, we do know a single culture can vary in potency flush to flush. The % of Ps. per mushroom differs so wildly it is impossible to ever get a true dose.
Thus I quote.
"Its best to let the mushroom choose you, not you the mushroom." When you eat a mushroom with a high concentration you will experience an intense trip, when you eat a mushroom expecting a high concentration you will be disappointed...
On that note. We do know, different parts of the mushroom have different %s of Ps. We do know that a single culture can produce an array of potency differences. We also know everyone's tolerance is different.
I guess what I am getting at is, no definitive answer exists on how to trip harder on the same dose per gram as too many factors define your results.
Grow and harvest as you want, if the potency is not enough try more next time.
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Re: question regarding open caps [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23736720 - 10/14/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like to harvest before the veil breaks simply because I do not like cleaning spore messes and I like my tubs to be tidy. That's it.
But.....
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Pastywhyte said: Mine always like to open when I'm either sleeping or at work.
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Re: question regarding open caps [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23736959 - 10/14/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ive never wiped spores off before drying is that just preference? I think it looks cool
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Rosen_Rot
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Re: question regarding open caps [Re: Boogieman47]
#23737950 - 10/14/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I give them a good wash before setting them up to dry. I think it's just preference, I honestly just like the golden firey color so I clean them so they can look that way
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Re: question regarding open caps [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23738027 - 10/14/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ya it does look nice with fresh caps but the black swirls make them look cool too haha its crazy how sticky the spores are
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Re: question regarding open caps [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23738084 - 10/14/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
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Kizzle said: In terms of potency I don't think there's significant difference, at least not if you're planning to dry them.
This.
Mine always like to open when I'm either sleeping or at work.
Yep. Mine open in the morning. Then blow all their spores everywhere while I'm at work. Completely fucks up my plan.
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