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Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this?
    #23733932 - 10/13/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hello, so as of right now my friend has been using a water bubbler in perlite and water to achieve fae but he's still having trouble with green mold and cob web. Both at the same time. Everything we have read says that these things can only form with lack of oxygen. Does this mean despite having the bubbler we should still fan?
Or is it cause when the air is just to

o stagnant? And maybe hooking up a computer fan to the fc might help with the issues??
He's worried that constantly opening up the chambers will cause other contaims in or even spread the contaims that's already present.... I don't know what to think.


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: JuliaD]
    #23733941 - 10/13/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, no.

Probably came contaminated from the get go, improper sterilization or dirty syringe/procedure.

Try only reading new stuff on this site, as a noob there is a lot of outdated info that gets through in the search engine.

And on that note, search for a proper SGFC tek, that's the go to for cakes.

As far as the stuff that is in there, its trash. Can't beat mold, start new and follow the procedure to the T. It's the only way to get better.


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: JuliaD]
    #23733942 - 10/13/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Hello, so as of right now my friend has been using a water bubbler in perlite and water to achieve fae but he's still having trouble with green mold and cob web. Both at the same time. Everything we have read says that these things can only form with lack of oxygen. Does this mean despite having the bubbler we should still fan?
Or is it cause when the air is just to

o stagnant? And maybe hooking up a computer fan to the fc might help with the issues??
He's worried that constantly opening up the chambers will cause other contaims in or even spread the contaims that's already present.... I don't know what to think.




A bubbler isn't fresh air exchange.
(I'm assuming of cakes) you. You need a shotgun fruiting chamber, holes 2" apart on all 6 sides and it need to be elevated to allow convection from the bottom holes.
Your getting contaminants either from non sterile jar prep, inoculation or stagnant air inside whatever chamber they are in.

Post your friends full procedure so the people here can help diagnose where you went/going wrong.


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: JuliaD]
    #23733953 - 10/13/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

you should probably do a little bit more reading because from what I have found the number one cause for mold contamination such as trich and cobweb mold is ddue to a combination of dirty environment to much moisture and not enough fae in any order. It's prolly to moist and not getting fae at the same time. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: KingM3]
    #23733970 - 10/13/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If they are fully colonized and in fruiting, you don't have to worry about more contams getting in. If they came before the first flush, then I would say it's dirty spawn. Cobweb is generally too moist or not enough fae from what I've read, but it could be dirty spawn also.


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: JuliaD]
    #23733977 - 10/13/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Whip up a sgfc by drilling about 500 1/8" holes alltogether on 6 sides of the tub.

Give the fish their air back.


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23733995 - 10/13/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Washing wbs then letting it steep in hot water for 90 min before pressure Cooking at 15 psi for another 90 min
Inoculating wbs jars in a glove box with hepa filter air blowing into the box then  burning the syringe each time he pulls it out
Using a shotgun terrarium with coco choir and vermiculite as substrate
Its in a larger plastic tub with water and perlite bubblers and air stones in perlite.

Basically the whole technique


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: JuliaD]
    #23733998 - 10/13/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Perlite bubblers sounds like the noob technique


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: JuliaD]
    #23733999 - 10/13/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How big is his tub


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: KingM3]
    #23734015 - 10/13/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The outside tub is 31lx 21wx 19 h
And the inner tub 23lx 17wx 14h


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: JuliaD]
    #23734020 - 10/13/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Shouldn't be an outside and inside tub in the first place.

Toss out contamination.


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23734035 - 10/13/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He figured using the outside tub so he wouldn't have to continue to make it humid so that's why I'm assuming that it's an air exchange issue because he never opens to most or fan.


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: JuliaD]
    #23734054 - 10/13/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Fanning isn't air exchange. Air exchange needs to happen 24/7 


You have to fan 6 times an hour call it air exchange in a tub that size

Have he come make his own account, it doesn't fool anyone it just sounds annoying when people try to say it's someone else's grow like it matters

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?where=body&tosearch=both&how=all&words=SGFC+pump&namebox=RogerRabbit&limit=25&showmain=1&sort=r&way=d


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23734058 - 10/13/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So what's a good air exchange tek for monotubs?


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: JuliaD]
    #23734060 - 10/13/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Tell him to quit free styling. Never works if you don't already know what the hell your doing.


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: KingM3]
    #23734065 - 10/13/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Go to the search bar and type in constructing a mono tub.....save yourself and us some time


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: KingM3]
    #23734078 - 10/13/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:horrified: water bubbler for fae.....still confused...cause to exchange air it has to come out as well as go in....LAW OF EQUIVALENT EXCHANGE


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: KingM3]
    #23734165 - 10/13/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Idk I guess he just assumed having air going in was enough


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: JuliaD]
    #23734172 - 10/13/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Haha haha haha....no  :drphil:


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: KingM3]
    #23734244 - 10/13/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Just look in bodhisatta's sig for the link that says where to begin. Start there. Read on how to do it right. Using the search function works as well but can be overwhelming with so many results. Look at what veterans and trusted cultivators do/suggest and follow them to a T.

Ditch the glove box with air blowing through a hepa and make a still air box. No blowing air whatsoever unless you have a proven flow hood. Shut off fans and a/c units. Spray the room liberally with Lysol or oust to help keep contaminations at bay.

Proper procedure and cleanliness work well with pf tek.


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23734351 - 10/13/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

ok this thread is way bad. no offense op. :facepalm:

For real check out All of spitball jedi's stuff and stick to the teks.

MAKE A SAB. the glove box attached to a hepa filter is going to cause a lot of turbulence making the outside air(billions of contams) able to be mixed in and blow all around your sterile work.  the still air box will stop all movement of air and will trap the contams present with the soapy water you mist in the box...

WBS SHOULD NOT BE USED AS CAKES.  well it can be but with poor results even when done properly with a casing layer in a proper monotub setup.

USE WBS AS SPAWN FOR BULK SUBSTRATES. once your wbs is fully colonized you break it up and mix it with a bulk sub (such as coir, vermiculite, and gypsum) in open air and it will colonize just fine as long as the spawn was 100% clean. 

which leads me to the next part.

TO GET CLEAN SPAWN YOU WILL NEED AGAR. When doing the pf tek you can have contammed cakes from dirty syringes and still get mediocre results because the brf mix is resilient when left in cake form. When using whole grains you want 100% clean or else your results will diminish greatly and you will usually end up with mold further contaminating the environment.

NOCCING UP WBS AND ANY OTHER GRAIN IS A MAJOR NO NO! No spores are clean whether from print/swab/syringe unless printed in a sterile environment which is very rare and yours definitely were not.

DO a lot more reading and AS I SAID< FOLLOW SPITBALL JEDI'S STUFf AND ALL THE TEKS HE LINKS TO> will save you a lot of time/research/question asking.

Spitball Jedi's stuff

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Just look in bodhisatta's sig for the link that says where to begin. Start there. Read on how to do it right. Using the search function works as well but can be overwhelming with so many results. Look at what veterans and trusted cultivators do/suggest and follow them to a T.

Ditch the glove box with air blowing through a hepa and make a still air box. No blowing air whatsoever unless you have a proven flow hood. Shut off fans and a/c units. Spray the room liberally with Lysol or oust to help keep contaminations at bay.

Proper procedure and cleanliness work well with pf tek.




:whathesaid:  EXCEPT YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO GO CRAZY WITH THE LYSOL AND OUST CRAP. Water misted in the air almost works just as well. I stopped using that crap unless i'm doing a deep clean on my bathroom spawn room or something similar.

Just keep the air STILL and the general area dusted and wiped and you should be fine.

Also portafella I think it was wbs we are talking about?:shrug:


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: JuliaD]
    #23734381 - 10/13/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So what's a good air exchange tek for monotubs?




frank makes it easy.

and spitballjedi teks are even easier.


Edited by mushboy (10/13/16 02:49 PM)


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: mushboy]
    #23734432 - 10/13/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

@tombosley8. Yeah man, I asked for full procedure and then didn't read the full procedure lol


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Re: Fresh air exchange best way to achieve this? [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23735421 - 10/13/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



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