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Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles
    #23733146 - 10/13/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

INDONESIA’S PARLIAMENT HAS passed controversial laws allowing for chemical castration and execution in the cases of convicted paedophiles.
The controversial laws were the subject of fierce debate, with two opposition parties voting against the measures, The BBC reports.
They were proposed by president Joko Widodo in May following a horrific case in which a 14-year-old was murdered and gang-raped by a group of men and boys in as she made her way back from school.
The case shocked and angered the nation, prompting the president to introduce the tough new measures.
Chemical castration involves injecting convicts with female hormones. It is currently used in Poland, Russia and some states in the US, among others.
The laws have been met with huge criticism. The Indonesian Doctors Association said its members should not take part in castrations as it would violate professional ethics.
The case
Following the discovery of the teenager’s body tied up and naked in the woods, police arrested 13 people over the attack while one alleged perpetrator is still at large.
The murder and attack shocked the country and sparked a national debate about a failure to tackle endemic sexual violence.
Zainal, a 23-year-old who like many Indonesians goes by one name, was sentenced to death last month for premeditated murder, which was a crime already punishable by death before the new laws were introduced.
The mother of the victim shouted in protest after the verdicts were handed down, demanding all the defendants be sentenced to death.
The attack captured national attention when reports of the incident went viral on social media, prompting tens of thousands to sign online petitions and sparking protests in the capital Jakarta.
It has drawn comparisons with the fatal gang-rape of a student on a bus in Delhi in 2012, which sparked mass protests and led to an overhaul of India’s rape laws.
http://www.thejournal.ie/indonesia-castration-3023850-Oct2016/


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23733196 - 10/13/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Duterte in the phillipines lets his people kill each other.

Now this.

I really hope we don't get to find out what donald trump is gonna do to beat these two.:sad:


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23733375 - 10/13/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

so you believe that impeding someone's ability to get an erection is worse than death?


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23733495 - 10/13/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Watch closely who defends the "rights" of these convicted pedophiles


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23733512 - 10/13/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

IDK why they gotta "chemically" castrate them, just chop their dicks off, inch by inch from tip to base. While their balls sizzle in a bucket of molten lava


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Sheekle]
    #23733524 - 10/13/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Is that the country where the murder the durg addicts live? Or is it the phillipines?


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Sheekle]
    #23733526 - 10/13/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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IDK why they gotta "chemically" castrate them, just chop their dicks off, inch by inch from tip to base. While their balls sizzle in a bucket of molten lava





is the bucket made of plastic or metal?


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23733562 - 10/13/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I never agreed with chemical castration. Because it's dumb. One can still get an erection on "female hormones"

Physically castrate them.
And then when they go off to still sexually assault someone we will maybe finally have an idea about how much is sexual desire and how much is the fucked up desire to just hurt someone.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #23733567 - 10/13/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
Yeah I never agreed with chemical castration. Because it's dumb. One can still get an erection on "female hormones"

Physically castrate them.
And then when they go off to still sexually assault someone we will maybe finally have an idea about how much is sexual desire and how much is the fucked up desire to just hurt someone.





when you mutilate someone willing to victimize others you end up creating someone
that is far worse, execute them and be done with the bullshit


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23733582 - 10/13/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. Or at least that they should be locked away. But there is pervasive idea, even among men, that men cannot help their sexual desire because of their testicles. And this is an idea that goes back to, at least, the Victorian era when the table skirt was invented because it was thought a man would be overcome with desire at the sight of a table leg.

There is alot of psychology involved and I think some can be reformed, at least some of the minor cases, but in the more extreme ones, like where people are mutilated, I think it would be best for everyone to hang them.



But that doesn't do anything to quell the idea that men are animals that have no control of their sexual impulses. Neuter and castrate them and we would find out.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23733624 - 10/13/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
I agree. Or at least that they should be locked away. But there is pervasive idea, even among men, that men cannot help their sexual desire because of their testicles. And this is an idea that goes back to, at least, the Victorian era when the table skirt was invented because it was thought a man would be overcome with desire at the sight of a table leg.

There is alot of psychology involved and I think some can be reformed, at least some of the minor cases, but in the more extreme ones, like where people are mutilated, I think it would be best for everyone to hang them.



But that doesn't do anything to quell the idea that men are animals that have no control of their sexual impulses. Neuter and castrate them and we would find out.





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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: LobsterSauce] * 1
    #23733665 - 10/13/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's a really fine balance, the role of government and how it punishes crimes. I would like to see a government that abstains entirely from violent punishments, because this would denounce violence as a solution entirely: that's a strong message to send to your civilians.

However, I think that sexual offenders like in the cases described in the OP shouldn't be free in society anymore. They should have to go live on an island with all the other sex offenders while taking mandatory meditation classes and eating a diet of oatmeal, grains and gruel for the rest of their lives.

But then again, I don't know what's best. Shoot them out of a cannon into the ocean? Idk.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23733692 - 10/13/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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so you believe that impeding someone's ability to get an erection is worse than death?



I should probably like... READ threads before i post.

Easily the biggest :facepalm: of my life.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23734339 - 10/13/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
Yeah I never agreed with chemical castration. Because it's dumb. One can still get an erection on "female hormones"

Physically castrate them.
And then when they go off to still sexually assault someone we will maybe finally have an idea about how much is sexual desire and how much is the fucked up desire to just hurt someone.





when you mutilate someone willing to victimize others you end up creating someone
that is far worse, execute them and be done with the bullshit




My thoughts exactly. If you want to create a real monster. Thats a solid way to go about it.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23734376 - 10/13/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's a step in the right direction. At least these people will 'pay' for their crimes. Prison isn't a solution because most pedophiles get released and offend again.

My solution : bring back the death penalty. Hang them, public hanging. :smile:


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23734628 - 10/13/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So basically all the Christians in this thread accept bloody mayhem as the just due of righteous indignation.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #23734640 - 10/13/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Away with that religious bollocks!

We all want justice for horrendous crimes and we want these sickos dead.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23734649 - 10/13/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
Yeah I never agreed with chemical castration. Because it's dumb. One can still get an erection on "female hormones"

Physically castrate them.
And then when they go off to still sexually assault someone we will maybe finally have an idea about how much is sexual desire and how much is the fucked up desire to just hurt someone.





when you mutilate someone willing to victimize others you end up creating someone
that is far worse, execute them and be done with the bullshit




My thoughts exactly. If you want to create a real monster. Thats a solid way to go about it.




Thieves used to regularly get their hands cut off. And still do in some parts of the world.

Chemical castration has a completely false name. It makes sperm production near impossible, but not getting erections. All you really do is remove a key piece of evidence if and when they rape someone else. It doesn't do anything. At all. The idea behind it honestly is that it interferes with testosterone production and will make men have less overbearing drive for sex. Even though almost every major study shows that sexual desire is rarely the primary motive behind sexual assault.


It's stupid and likely won't prevent any sexual assault. And imo just as likely to piss the offender off and make them yet more violent. What happened here was nothing more than a political move after public pressure that is meant to do little more than sooth angry ignorant people.

At least actually castrating them might actually do something :shrug:

Reform for those that are mentally ill or unstable. Or those who simply don't know better. The light offenders. Repeat and extreme offenders should automatically be locked up for life, at the least.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23734755 - 10/13/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Watch closely who defends the "rights" of these convicted pedophiles



the people whom care about human rights.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23734761 - 10/13/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Away with that religious bollocks!

We all want justice for horrendous crimes and we want these sickos dead.



are you going to do the killing?


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23734789 - 10/13/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I hope this applies to all the fat rich white fucks who travel there to fuck underage girls on vacation.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23734851 - 10/13/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
Quote:

Electric Wizard21 said:
Away with that religious bollocks!

We all want justice for horrendous crimes and we want these sickos dead.



are you going to do the killing?





No. Hanging them is a way to get around killing someone by physically touching them. I wouldn't walk around and kill people.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23734867 - 10/13/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

someone has still got to hang them. you should do it.


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Electric Wizard21] * 1
    #23734972 - 10/13/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Electric Wizard21 said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:

Electric Wizard21 said:
Away with that religious bollocks!

We all want justice for horrendous crimes and we want these sickos dead.



are you going to do the killing?





No. Hanging them is a way to get around killing someone by physically touching them. I wouldn't walk around and kill people.



And let the pedophiles get away. I say you break their necks,strangle or stab them each time and then see how you feel about it


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Re: Real Talk: Indonesia parliament passes chemical castration laws for convicted paedophiles [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23735961 - 10/14/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

RJ Tubs 202 said:

Compassion is about intimately connecting with another person's suffering.

It's frees and releases us from our judgement, anger, and desire to retaliate.

Compassion isn't about changing anyone.




Oh yeah; People here jestfully espouse mayhem then watch their kids come back without legs from an I.E.D after arming themselves against a sea of troubles upon the advice of their elders. Ha! The elders were just joking, kids!


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