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DiedAFewTimes
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Possible amanita crenulata - safe to eat?
#23731771 - 10/12/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey shroomery, been a while since i've asked for an ID. I was in the woods looking for Gyms. Unfortunately i did not find any gyms but i did find these, which i'm hoping are amanita muscaria. Habitat: Woods by a reservoir in Maryland, growing all around a group of pine trees.
Gills: White
Stem: White, solid
Cap: Yellowish, warts
Spore print: In progress
      
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I am really new to this. But one of the only poisonous look a likes for amanita muscaria was brown. Probably should wait for one of those with the trusted identifier badge before consumption.
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DiedAFewTimes
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Re: Amanita muscaria ID MD [Re: greenvag]
#23732018 - 10/12/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh i know i wouldn't eat a mushroom without getting it properly identified.
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Not muscaria. Maybe Amanita crenulata?
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DiedAFewTimes
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After doing some research it seams that crenulata has the same effect as muscaria? Of course i wont eat them either way until a TI confirms them.
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DiedAFewTimes
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When i went into the woods today i had no intention of picking any amanitas, so i hadn't done my homework previously. However after doing a good bit of research on amanitas these can't be muscaria because they do not have the cottony kinda rings around the base. They do however look very similar to amanita crenulata. My question is is there any chance that these are anything dangerous? Are there any amanitas that look similar and grow in the area that are dangerous? I would like to try a couple caps tonight just to get a feel for them so i am hoping to get a reply soon from someone who is familiar with amanitas.
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DiedAFewTimes
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Alright so after a ton of looking into it i was convinced it must be crenulata or if not there are at least no deadly look alikes around here. I at a couple small mushrooms worth last night and had a light but interesting experience as expected. But anyways as i still havent heard from a TI, incase i somehow ingested something deadly thinking it was crenulata. Thanks
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Your username might be apropos as no one in their right mind would actually dabble somewhat blindly in the edibility of the Amanita genus.
As for a TI not weighing in yet, I can only speak for myself but I only answer the ones I know for sure or ones that have enough info to further research and find an exceedingly likely candidate. everybody is very careful with Amanita IDs as well because we know that based on our answers people are going to end up ingesting the things so no one wants to say what something is unless they're 100% sure. and I'm guessing those reasons are why you haven't gotten a response from anyone else either.
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DiedAFewTimes said: Of course i wont eat them either way until a TI confirms them
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DiedAFewTimes said: I at[e] a couple small mushrooms worth last night and had a light but interesting experience as expected. But anyways... i still havent heard from a TI
why oh why would you do this?
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DiedAFewTimes
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I know, it was pretty dumb. I felt certain at the time though that i knew what i had and i still believe i was correct but obviously i regret that careless decision. It's been over 18 hours since ingestion and i feel totally fine as of right now. I'm hoping that doesn't change in the next 6 hours.
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I'd say it was dumb. We just had a 3 year old here die from consuming A. phalloides. When they went back over the spot the mushrooms were originally found they found roughly 16 specimens, estimated to be enough to kill about a dozen people.
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DiedAFewTimes
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Re: Amanita muscaria ID MD [Re: KenInVic]
#23734954 - 10/13/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree that it was stupid, but i will say that before i ate them i looked into the deadly amanitas and all the possible look alikes and it doesn't seem like there's anything too dangerous that looks much like my specimens, at least not around here. Of course that's not a good enough reason to eat them but against my better judgement i did, so now i'm just hoping i was correct. On the other hand if i don't die that's a surefire way of testing the edibility of these mushrooms, albeit a dangerous one.
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Unnecessary Comment. Point has been driven across by other posts
Edited by Specops2594 (10/14/16 11:30 AM)
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DiedAFewTimes
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That's not the reason i ate them, more of a small bit of positivity after a shitty situation that i definitely brought upon myself. Either way no need to be an ass.
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Unidentified amanitas = Very, very bad idea to eat. A. aprica, one of many A. pantherina varieties or A. gemmata seems likely if in North America. There is a lot of similar looking Amanitas, some with Amotoxins. !! A. crenulata is only found in Europe from what I've read !! Consider going to a hospital OP.
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Re: Amanita muscaria ID MD [Re: Saunterer]
#23735502 - 10/13/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sorry it's just the complete disregard for your life seems like a time for harsh words...
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This is how natural selection works... I hope you are well OP and learned your lesson.
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Re: Amanita muscaria ID MD [Re: Saunterer]
#23735577 - 10/13/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It has been over 24 hours at this point and i'm not puking my guts out so i should be in the clear as far as amatoxin poisoning goes. A crenulata grows in northeastern US, which is where i'm located. I checked into all of the species you mentioned as well as many others before i consumed these. The only one of those that grows here is A gemmata, which is similar in appaerance to my mushrooms, but differs from crenulata as far as the bulb, warts, and more erratic, cottony, torn up looking stems from what i've seen. Either way i am now pretty certain that these must have been crenulata as i'm alive and well. Again i realize i shouldn't have taken that risk. I felt my research was sufficient at the time, only after i ate them did i stop to think how stupid that was, without a doubt it takes much more than my limited knowledge to safely identify an amanita. I understand completely why every one attacking me for it but i came here looking for help, not hate. Thanks to everyone who gave their input, my question has essentially answered itself at this point.
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doctorghosty
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Although I disagree with the needless fervor of a few of these comments, know that they mostly come from a place of concern for your well being. I hope you are doing ok and that you post more ID requests in the future in spite of this experience.
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DiedAFewTimes
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I understand that. But if i had been wrong it would have been me who payed the price. Anyway now i know i have a location full of what are apparently A. crenulata. I have read that A. gemmata rarely grows in the eastern US but either way it is no more dangerous than A. muscaria. So it seems to me there are not any dangerous look alikes here. Of course i'd like to get that confirmed by an expert though because apparently i'm an impulsive dumbass. Any idea where i could go to talk to someone who knows amanitas well?
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In addition, hook up with any mycology clubs/societies in your neck of the woods. They don't need to know your particular interest and can teach you a lot about mushroom foraging, including how to not waste your time looking in the wrong places. They will also be up to date on mushrooms to avoid in your area.
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doctorghosty said: everybody is very careful with Amanita IDs as well because we know that based on our answers people are going to end up ingesting the things so no one wants to say what something is unless they're 100% sure. and I'm guessing those reasons are why you haven't gotten a response from anyone else either.
I worry by giving someone new to mushrooms the confidence in eating an Amanita collection, they go out and find a similar looking one and harm themselves.
I see people so eager to consume ibotenic acid/muscimol types, I don't think they realize they're not like Psilocybes at all, and the experience might not be enjoyable.
So with that said, I often avoid making ID's on Amanita species which aren't muscaria variants like guessowii/flavivolvata when people say they want to eat them.
I do believe that your collection strongly favors a positive ID of Amanita crenulata, I also believe that you would be stupid to consume these, just my thoughts, and I am not trying to insult you at all by saying that.
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They look a lot like amanita gemmata which are listed as poisonous..but, the truth is...I would not mess with any amanita unless it was bright red/orange or bright yellow....Why take a chance? I've seen the ones you're guessing about growing around Loch Raven before....good luck op. From what I read...the panther is mostly a west coast mushroom and is very rare in the east.
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I believe A. gemmata is listed poisonous in the same vein that A. muscaria is, with the primary agent being ibotenic acid.
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Amanita gemmata does not occur in the Eastern USA I think, also these lack a collard rim around the base of the stipe, which pantherina clade Amanita are known for.
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