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OfflineBANANA.MAN
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Grey]
    #23730850 - 10/12/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Grey said:
For real, it doesn't kill all the pain.  It does relieve it enough to cope with though.  I'd much rather be on painkillers,  but doctors won't see you without records and there's no law forcing these practices to submit your records.



It helps just as much as codeine for pain imo and it takes away my cold symptoms weather i just have a runny nose or i have a feaver and a congested chest.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23730977 - 10/12/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Guys...

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/12/the-dea-is-reversing-its-insane-decision-to-ban-the-opiate-like-plant-kratom-for-now/

The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant after the Internet got really mad

The Drug Enforcement Administration is reversing a widely criticized decision that would have banned the use of kratom, a plant that researchers say could help mitigate the effects of the opioid epidemic.

Citing the public outcry and a need to obtain more research, the DEA is withdrawing its notice of intent to ban the drug, according to a preliminary document that will be posted to the Federal Register Thursday.

The move is "shocking," according to John Hudak, who studies drug policy at the Brookings Institution. "The DEA is not one to second-guess itself, no matter what the facts are."

The DEA had announced in August that it planned to place kratom in schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act, the most restrictive regulatory category, as soon as Sept. 30. But since announcing their intent to ban kratom, the "DEA has received numerous comments from members of the public challenging the scheduling action," acting administrator Chuck Rosenberg wrote in the notice, "and requesting that the agency consider those comments and accompanying information before taking further action."spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

[What it's like to be high on kratom, according to the people who use it]

Kratom is a plant from southeast Asia that's related to coffee. It contains a number of chemical compounds that produce effects similar to opiates when ingested.

People who take it have have said kratom helped them overcome addiction to opiates or alcohol and treat otherwise intractable pain. Researchers say that their work with kratom could eventually lead to the development of nonaddictive alternatives to powerful opiate painkillers. Placing kratom in schedule 1 would cripple researchers ability to study the drug, they say.

U.S. lawmakers were among the groups expressing their displeasure with the DEA's intent to ban kratom. A group of 51 U.S. representatives wrote to the DEA saying that the DEA's move "threatens the transparency of the scheduling process and its responsiveness to the input of both citizens and the scientific community."

Another group of nine senators said the DEA's "use of this emergency authority for a natural substance is unprecedented," and urged the administration to reconsider.

The DEA will now open up a period for public comment until Dec. 1 of this year. It is also asking the FDA to expedite a "scientific and medical evaluation and scheduling recommendation" for the active chemical compounds in kratom.

At the close of the comment period, a number of things could happen. The DEA could decide to permanently place the plant in a schedule of the Controlled Substances Act, which would require an additional period for lawmakers and the public to weigh in. It could also decide to temporarily schedule kratom, which would not require any additional comment.

It could also decide to leave kratom unregulated.

[Police arrest more people for marijuana use than for all violent crimes — combined]

Advocates for kratom use, who say the plant has helped them treat pain and stop taking more powerful and deadly opiate painkillers said they are elated.

"I am in tears," Susan Ash of the American Kratom Association said in an email. "Our voices are being heard, but we still have a long road ahead of us.

Lawmakers who criticized the initial announcement to ban kratom are also pleased. "Concerned citizens across the country have made it clear, they want the DEA to listen to the science when it comes to the potentially life-saving properties of kratom," said Mark Pocan (D.-Wis.) in an email.

Researchers are welcoming the move, but they point out that the future of their work with the plant is an uncertain one.

"It's certainly a positive development," said Andrew Kruegel of Columbia University in an email. Kruegel is one of the researchers working to develop next-generation painkillers based on compounds contained in kratom.

Kruegel says that the FDA's evaluation of the drug will carry a lot of weight in the DEA's decision. But the kind of rigorous, controlled trials that the FDA typically refers to in situations like this simply don't exist for kratom.

"Unfortunately, in the United States I don't think we have a good regulatory framework for handling this situation or taking perhaps more reasonable middle paths" between banning the drug outright or keeping it unregulated, Kruegel says.

Still, he says, "the FDA is a scientific agency rather than a law enforcement agency, so I am encouraged that they will now be having more serious input on this important policy decision."

Marc Swogger, a clinical psychologist at the University of Rochester Medical Center who has published research on kratom use and earlier called the decision to ban the plant "insane," said in an email that "I'm happy to see this. It is a step in the right direction and a credit to people who have spoken out against scheduling this plant."


He added "now, the government should take into account, not just the minimal available scientific data on kratom, but the broader impact that criminalizing the use of this plant will have on vulnerable citizens."






Sorry if the article is alittle skewed, I'm having trouble copying it for some reason..

Once the dea opens the comment period if they do though.. we must still flood it massively..  still keep the pressure on because it's still very unpredictable.  Anythint could still happen.. Don't let up please!


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tripp23]
    #23731209 - 10/12/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Now is the time to intensify the pressure!

They have given us an inch now let's take a mile!

Use every day of the delay to lobby and phone and email unrelentingly!

Don't give up !

We should organize another , bigger kratom March before the ban!


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23731222 - 10/12/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

true!

yea we gotta protest more publicly.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23731297 - 10/12/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I'm definitely going to get my whole family to email n phone during the public comment phase...I'll try an do 4x more than what I did the first time. A even bigger march would be great I wish I was closer to the DC area to attend.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #23731709 - 10/12/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wonderful news for you guys (I am Canadian so this only indirectly effects me). Well done, doing something that has never been done before! As Moonshoe said, now is the time to double or triple your efforts. The one problem that I see moving forward is the heavy reliance that the DEA will put on the FDA's feedback for making their decision about the scheduling. Of course, the FDA will always err on the side of caution, and/or big pharma interests. The system in the US is set up in such a way that anything that purports to have medicinal benefit must be proven via formal clinical studies-- that is, those claims must be substantiated with double blinded, multi center, human studies if they will be aloud to stand. Of course, with a deadline of Dec this simply can't be accomplished. As such, I think the DEA is 'passing the buck' to the FDA to be the bad guy. That way they can say 'look, it's not just us that thinks this is an imminent risk to public safety'. The FDA already weighed in on this is 2014 with the ban on kratom importation. This situation's a major piss off! Anyone have any great ideas on how to sway the FDA? I think this is where the focus needs to be if the ban is to be avoided.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #23731912 - 10/12/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

LOTS of public support, scientific reviews that have been done, and support by our representatives. Increasing the knowledge of this plant to the MASSES and showing them what the DEA is trying to do.

http://www.americankratom.org/national_call_to_action

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23732339 - 10/12/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Now is the time to intensify the pressure!

They have given us an inch now let's take a mile!

Use every day of the delay to lobby and phone and email unrelentingly!

Don't give up !

We should organize another , bigger kratom March before the ban!




It truly is a great time to celebrate and hit em harder!  We definitely should schedule another March, I think it would be of rightful order indeed.  I'll push the idea and see what comes of it.

Also keep in mind, the FDA is also another target..


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tripp23]
    #23732412 - 10/12/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the fda is just as corrupt as the dea if not moreso... has much outreach been organized toward their direction? think another mass testimonial campaign should be wrought in their direction.

would love to attend a kratom march if it's close enough. I'm guessing DC would be the destination, only about a 12 hour drive... doable if i don't have much else going whenever it's scheduled.


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oh ive cried on drugs

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Tragic.  I told the cop not to do it but he didn't listen.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: hex_enduction]
    #23732649 - 10/12/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Way more people deff need to march I think there were only 100ish last time

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #23733278 - 10/13/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

drug policy alliance mother fuckers!



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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #23734744 - 10/13/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I glanced over this yesterday and didn't understand what I was reading. Fuck yeah, good job everyone
:highfive: s all around

Now to see what they do. I'm kind of hoping they'll turn tail and pretend none of this ever happened :lol:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #23734750 - 10/13/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm so happy I'm gonna go home and hug my cat until she scratches my face :awesome:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23734792 - 10/13/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have seen a lot of overpriced kratom on craigslist lately, as taxed as 350$/kg... Would it be sketchy selling it locally up til dec 1st?

If I can find a nice cheap source again I could flip kg's for 100$! and give people a pretty good deal. Any thoughts? Its legal so I don't see why not.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23735040 - 10/13/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
I have seen a lot of overpriced kratom on craigslist lately, as taxed as 350$/kg... Would it be sketchy selling it locally up til dec 1st?

If I can find a nice cheap source again I could flip kg's for 100$! and give people a pretty good deal. Any thoughts? Its legal so I don't see why not.




Well before thw supposed ban vendors were practically giving it away. After the date of the supposed ban people are realizing thw potential for exploitation. Just as any other 'hard' drug , its gonna get expensive before it becomes cheaper. People be greedy and bitches be trippin.  :havesomesantorum:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23736001 - 10/14/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I feel like anything over 10 an oz is totally insane

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23736030 - 10/14/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I feel like anything over 10 an oz is totally insane




How so? You get way better deals on full KG's, if its more then you need you can just sell the excess and maybe even make some of your money back :shrug:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23736032 - 10/14/16 04:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

exactly because when you have bulk its like 5 an oz or less.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23736035 - 10/14/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Connoisseur said:
exactly because when you have bulk its like 5 an oz or less.




Ahhh I read that as "anything over 10 oz is insane", yeah you can get it for less then 3$ an ounce from some places, its crazy others charge like 20$ :nonono:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23736036 - 10/14/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

When are the going to put a ban on Kratom? In Europe it is still legal but I guess this is just a matter of time until our ban comes. Our politicians are led by yours.

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