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DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 3
#23731096 - 10/12/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Guys...
Quote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/12/the-dea-is-reversing-its-insane-decision-to-ban-the-opiate-like-plant-kratom-for-now/
The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant after the Internet got really mad
The Drug Enforcement Administration is reversing a widely criticized decision that would have banned the use of kratom, a plant that researchers say could help mitigate the effects of the opioid epidemic.
Citing the public outcry and a need to obtain more research, the DEA is withdrawing its notice of intent to ban the drug, according to a preliminary document that will be posted to the Federal Register Thursday.
The move is "shocking," according to John Hudak, who studies drug policy at the Brookings Institution. "The DEA is not one to second-guess itself, no matter what the facts are."
The DEA had announced in August that it planned to place kratom in schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act, the most restrictive regulatory category, as soon as Sept. 30. But since announcing their intent to ban kratom, the "DEA has received numerous comments from members of the public challenging the scheduling action," acting administrator Chuck Rosenberg wrote in the notice, "and requesting that the agency consider those comments and accompanying information before taking further action."spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
[What it's like to be high on kratom, according to the people who use it]
Kratom is a plant from southeast Asia that's related to coffee. It contains a number of chemical compounds that produce effects similar to opiates when ingested.
People who take it have have said kratom helped them overcome addiction to opiates or alcohol and treat otherwise intractable pain. Researchers say that their work with kratom could eventually lead to the development of nonaddictive alternatives to powerful opiate painkillers. Placing kratom in schedule 1 would cripple researchers ability to study the drug, they say.
U.S. lawmakers were among the groups expressing their displeasure with the DEA's intent to ban kratom. A group of 51 U.S. representatives wrote to the DEA saying that the DEA's move "threatens the transparency of the scheduling process and its responsiveness to the input of both citizens and the scientific community."
Another group of nine senators said the DEA's "use of this emergency authority for a natural substance is unprecedented," and urged the administration to reconsider.
The DEA will now open up a period for public comment until Dec. 1 of this year. It is also asking the FDA to expedite a "scientific and medical evaluation and scheduling recommendation" for the active chemical compounds in kratom.
At the close of the comment period, a number of things could happen. The DEA could decide to permanently place the plant in a schedule of the Controlled Substances Act, which would require an additional period for lawmakers and the public to weigh in. It could also decide to temporarily schedule kratom, which would not require any additional comment.
It could also decide to leave kratom unregulated.
[Police arrest more people for marijuana use than for all violent crimes — combined]
Advocates for kratom use, who say the plant has helped them treat pain and stop taking more powerful and deadly opiate painkillers said they are elated.
"I am in tears," Susan Ash of the American Kratom Association said in an email. "Our voices are being heard, but we still have a long road ahead of us.
Lawmakers who criticized the initial announcement to ban kratom are also pleased. "Concerned citizens across the country have made it clear, they want the DEA to listen to the science when it comes to the potentially life-saving properties of kratom," said Mark Pocan (D.-Wis.) in an email.
Researchers are welcoming the move, but they point out that the future of their work with the plant is an uncertain one.
"It's certainly a positive development," said Andrew Kruegel of Columbia University in an email. Kruegel is one of the researchers working to develop next-generation painkillers based on compounds contained in kratom.
Kruegel says that the FDA's evaluation of the drug will carry a lot of weight in the DEA's decision. But the kind of rigorous, controlled trials that the FDA typically refers to in situations like this simply don't exist for kratom.
"Unfortunately, in the United States I don't think we have a good regulatory framework for handling this situation or taking perhaps more reasonable middle paths" between banning the drug outright or keeping it unregulated, Kruegel says.
Still, he says, "the FDA is a scientific agency rather than a law enforcement agency, so I am encouraged that they will now be having more serious input on this important policy decision."
Marc Swogger, a clinical psychologist at the University of Rochester Medical Center who has published research on kratom use and earlier called the decision to ban the plant "insane," said in an email that "I'm happy to see this. It is a step in the right direction and a credit to people who have spoken out against scheduling this plant."
He added "now, the government should take into account, not just the minimal available scientific data on kratom, but the broader impact that criminalizing the use of this plant will have on vulnerable citizens."
Sorry if the article is alittle skewed, I'm having trouble copying it for some reason..
Once the dea opens the comment period though.. we must still flood it massively.. still keep the pressure on because it's still very unpredictable. Anything could still happen.. Don't let up please! Kratom may only be safe until January 1st, 2017 I believe so keep pushing!!
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Edited by tripp23 (10/12/16 12:17 PM)
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: tripp23]
#23731159 - 10/12/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What can this be true? The system actually working for a change?
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: tdubz] 1
#23731176 - 10/12/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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More like the system is in self preservation mode and trying to save its own ass. If they do this to yet another plant, it could be a domino effect to the abolishing the agency all together. I bet people are just doing this to protect their own jobs, rather than their opinions actually being changed.
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: daytripper05]
#23731259 - 10/12/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2016-24659.pdf
Here is the actual DEA notice of intent shown on the Washington Post website that they withdrew the emergency scheduling of September 30th, 2016 .
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: tdubz]
#23731350 - 10/12/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does this withdraw it though if all they're doing is opening public comment until december? Seems like a distraction honestly
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#23731381 - 10/12/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This might be the beginning of the end of an horrible era. I start believing that most of us will see the prohibition fall.
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
#23731517 - 10/12/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im impressed! In a couple of decades we might see something similar here in Denmark
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#23731518 - 10/12/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Previously, they said it as fact that they were adding kratom to the list of Schedule 1 substances. Now they are leaving it open for debate (in theory at least) which could land kratom as schedule 1,2, 3 or 4, or it could remain unscheduled. Basically depends on whether the DEA wants to listen to the people & the science or continue doing what they do...
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#23731521 - 10/12/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said: Does this withdraw it though if all they're doing is opening public comment until december? Seems like a distraction honestly
From what I read all it means is they are not going ahead with the scheduling IMMEDIATELY, after the public comment period they may say "fuck 'y'all" and emergency schedule it anyways, or go through traditional scheduling procedures which would take longer and give more time for scientists and the FDA to do some research and or put out official opinions.
We haven't won yet but this is certainly a good sign.
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: musiclover420]
#23731536 - 10/12/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Holy shit. Best news I read all week.
Thank you based god
And thank you all you good people fighting the good fight, lookin at you OP. thank you for putting so much effort into your activism
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: tripp23] 1
#23731645 - 10/12/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quoted from this Baer dude, a spokesman for the DEA....from this article>>>
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-10-12/dea-withdraws-kratom-ban-opens-public-comment-period
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Baer says the DEA is awaiting completion of an eight-factor analysis on kratom that it first requested of the FDA in 2014 to underpin a permanent scheduling decision. The DEA's initial emergency scheduling action would have lasted two – or at most three – years.
Baer says there are four options for how kratom regulation will move forward after Dec. 1:
Option One: If the FDA has not completed its analysis, the DEA can issue another notice that it will go ahead with emergency placement in Schedule I, making kratom illegal with as little as 30 days public notice.
Option Two: If the FDA has not completed its analysis, the DEA can wait until it does before taking action.
Option Three: The FDA determines kratom has an accepted medical use, leading to permanent placement in Schedule II, a category of tightly controlled drugs that includes cocaine, or lower – or perhaps no scheduling at all.
Option Four: The FDA determines kratom has no accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse, resulting in a public notice and comment period for proposed permanent listing in Schedule I.
SO what happens if "option three" occurs?....As a schedule II drug, doesn't this mean anyone who wants to use kratom will need a prescription to legally take it? Or what I'm thinking this means, is that they'll simply isolate the primary actives and make synthetic versions of it into a pill (like they did with cannabis, marinol & sativex)...which won't be anywhere nearly as effective & medicinal as the whole spectrum of the leaf, and will certainly come with more side effects than the whole leaf.
The way this looks to me is that the process will possibly be delayed a bit, but ultimately it will either become schedule I, or a few of the alkaloids will be isolated/made into synthetic/pills which will likely cost more than the leaf, won't be easily available to everyone, won't offer the same medicinal potential as the leaf, and will come with more side effects.
I hate to be a pessimist, and I'm staying hopeful and doing my part to spread the word and bring awareness/pressure about the issue...but none of this looks promising to me, anyone with more knowledge want to try to sway my outlook on this ?
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: musiclover420]
#23731733 - 10/12/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No that is incorrect they would have to file for a new emergency ban intent which would take 30 days again if they go that route.I think.
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: tripp23]
#23731760 - 10/12/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good way to grow your map.. Put out a few "official" things. Give it enoug time to cycle up and drop a deadline.. *Observe*, lotta movement... then say, "Haha, j/k"..
That's probably not what that was but, that would be a killer strategy from a hunting stand point. Some like, part of a James Bond film. (The good films.)
I mean check it out, you at the end look like the 'good guy' sorta in the, "they walked away" sense, after all that build up, just walk away and have a literal ton of info if your aim is to watch it.....all from a few articles...of text.. ...pretty genius if you were to put that angle in a movie or book, that would be dope..
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Edited by Amanita86 (10/12/16 04:38 PM)
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: Amanita86]
#23731765 - 10/12/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder if even they thought of that angle during their initial "we gotta get rid of this" phase..
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: dizzy_simmons]
#23731806 - 10/12/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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dizzy_simmons said: Previously, they said it as fact that they were adding kratom to the list of Schedule 1 substances. Now they are leaving it open for debate (in theory at least) which could land kratom as schedule 1,2, 3 or 4, or it could remain unscheduled. Basically depends on whether the DEA wants to listen to the people & the science or continue doing what they do...
I think its going to come down to if the FDA will play ball and accredit polydrug overdoses to kratom. I also think that they might take such a beating in the public comment period that they might have to leave it unscheduled.
I am not sayiing there isn't small potential for abuse, but no more than other legal items.
There might also be proof of it being sold in the early 90's which might change things.
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: UltraLiveResin]
#23731897 - 10/12/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm willing to bet that it with either worst case get scheduled as 2 or best case as 3/4. Either way I don't see it remaining unscheduled.
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: tdubz]
#23731916 - 10/12/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is great news for the community though. Hopefully the DEA knows now that they can't just go around banning therapeutic plants without public outcry.
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: WeAreMushroom]
#23732000 - 10/12/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah they can not..
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Edited by Amanita86 (10/12/16 05:52 PM)
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: tripp23]
#23732231 - 10/12/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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We all have to submit comment to the DEA in support of kratom, but they have to be worded properly. If claims of medical value are made they will still schedule the plant, but they may prescribe extracts/isolates (they wont). This is not acceptable and must be avoided. The american kratom organization will be releasing guidelines for the comment period in the next week most likely. Do not submit any comments before then that may hamper efforts by the AKA to get kratom regulated like an herbal supplement (think kava). We have the AKA to thank for everything that has happened so far so follow their lead.
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Re: DEA Withdrawals Intent to Schedule Kratom 1 [Re: dizzy_simmons]
#23732286 - 10/12/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This vv
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Dr. Funtime said: We all have to submit comment to the DEA in support of kratom, but they have to be worded properly. If claims of medical value are made they will still schedule the plant, but they may prescribe extracts/isolates (they wont). This is not acceptable and must be avoided. The american kratom organization will be releasing guidelines for the comment period in the next week most likely. Do not submit any comments before then that may hamper efforts by the AKA to get kratom regulated like an herbal supplement (think kava). We have the AKA to thank for everything that has happened so far so follow their lead.
And also..Quote:
dizzy_simmons said: Previously, they said it as fact that they were adding kratom to the list of Schedule 1 substances. Now they are leaving it open for debate (in theory at least) which could land kratom as schedule 1,2, 3 or 4, or it could remain unscheduled. Basically depends on whether the DEA wants to listen to the people & the science or continue doing what they do...
With an intent to schedule one initially.. this will atleast buy us time before they resubmit another scheduling order. With the proper info, Kratom will fall for a lower scheduling order.. how it should be done. Yes we all love it unscheduled but.. it's the government and they want order.. it will be placed as a lesser degree most likely. The AKA (and hopefully regular people/citizens) will do its best to keep it unscheduled. But it's still better than being completely unobtainable.
Actually I also believe the DEA gave in because people are filing lawsuits against them due to the emergency scheduling. I'll see if I can find the article.....
Keep in mind.. The FDA is our next target!
Thank you hex_enduction. I tried Always feel like it's never enough tho. I'll still keep posting updates and info as much as I can!
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Edited by tripp23 (10/12/16 07:52 PM)
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