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Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one
#23731011 - 10/12/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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A Denver man is facing murder and attempted murder charges after he allegedly shot two teenagers apparently trying to steal marijuana plants from his back yard, killing one and possibly paralyzing the other.
Keith David Hammock, 48, allegedly shot the teenagers with a .22-caliber rifle from a second-floor bedroom window at 2830 High St. at about 2 a.m. Sunday. A 14-year-old boy who survived the shooting called police, according to an arrest warrant affidavit, and told a dispatcher he was dying.
“At one point during the call, another male voice can be heard in the background,” the affidavit reads. “The victim appears to be talking to a person at or near the crime scene. The male victim says that he is sorry. During the call, the person in the background makes a comment about climbing the fence.”
Hammock later told police someone jumped over the fence into his back yard, setting off a motion detector light. He then went out back and found the two teenagers “laying on the ground near the compost heap,” according to the arrest affidavit.
Hammock said one of the teens started using a cellphone; he then declined to make additional statements regarding the incident without an attorney. He’s currently facing charges of first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder and investigation of felony marijuana cultivation, Denver police spokesman Doug Schepman told The Post.
The Denver Medical Examiner’s Office identified the victim as Keylin Mosley, 15. An autopsy determined the cause of death was a gunshot wound and the case is classified as a homicide, authorities confirmed to The Post.
The mother of the surviving teen told police her son said he was shot twice, once while in Hammock’s back yard and a second time while he was climbing over the fence. The boy’s mother said he may be paralyzed from the waist down, according to the arrest affidavit.
Both teens were found in the northeast corner of Hammock’s back yard, where several mature marijuana plants were growing, some in orange five-gallon buckets, according to the affidavit. Investigators also noticed a trail of marijuana in an alley from Hammock’s residence to another home on the same block, where officers found a single five-gallon bucket with a marijuana plant inside.
The owner of the home, Eleise Clark-Gunnells, told police Hammock is her roommate and former boyfriend who has been living with her for about two to three years. Clark-Gunnells said she was aware of the marijuana plants in her back yard and told police they belonged to Hammock.
Clark-Gunnells told police she kept a .22-caliber rifle under her bed and also had several handguns. But a search warrant later executed at the home uncovered two rifles, ammunition and four bullet casings in the window sill that overlooked the back yard, according to the affidavit.
Sonny Jackson, a spokesman for the Denver Police Department, told The Post that interviews in the case are still pending. A mugshot of Hammock was not available, he said.
The Denver Post reports that Hammock was arrested on charges of marijuana possession, flourishing a weapon, carrying a concealed weapon and obstructing police, citing Colorado Bureau of Investigation records. The record does not indicate the disposition of the case, the newspaper reports.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: trampis]
#23731346 - 10/12/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stay away from high street. Marijuana is worth your life over there, all the fiends want to get high on high street.
Does anybody think it's strange that they are growing outdoor marijuana in Denver? I didn't think a pot plant could survive the cold over there right now.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: bigbitch]
#23731427 - 10/12/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That guy is a fuckin idiot. Way to go.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: littleton] 2
#23731575 - 10/12/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Isn't it legal to defend your property from thieves? Clearly he seriously fucked up by shooting those kids but likewise they fucked up by going onto private property to steal... Who knows, those plants could be that mans livelihood and I doubt he realized it was kids trying to steal from him. He probably shot first and asked questions later, sadly. This is why people need nonlethal weapons...
If he had just shot them with a tazer or something they would have both been overall unharmed and learned a good lesson about not stealing...
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: musiclover420]
#23731816 - 10/12/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The kids were trespassing, not breaking and entering.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: passifloracaerulea] 1
#23731844 - 10/12/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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passifloracaerulea said: The kids were trespassing, not breaking and entering.
So you can only legally defend yourself if they are breaking into your house not trespassing on your property?
I don't see a huge difference between sneaking in through a window and hopping over a fence clearly meant to keep people out.
Not trying to justify this guy shooting 2 kids but at the same time I feel their parents are equally accountable for not teaching them better then hopping peoples fences to steal their cannabis plants. If someone sneaks onto a farm to fuck with a farmers crops or livestock I would not be surprised if they get shot and that is essentially what happened here.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: trampis]
#23731963 - 10/12/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What a piece of shit.
Why the fuck would you kill someone over a few damn plants. He's thrown his entire life away and murdered a young dumb kid.
What the fuck do people expect when they have big flowering plants in their yard?
Sleep next to your crop if you need to.
Makes marijuana users and growers look terrible.
What a douchebag.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: musiclover420]
#23732182 - 10/12/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said:
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passifloracaerulea said: The kids were trespassing, not breaking and entering.
So you can only legally defend yourself if they are breaking into your house not trespassing on your property?
I don't see a huge difference between sneaking in through a window and hopping over a fence clearly meant to keep people out.
Not trying to justify this guy shooting 2 kids but at the same time I feel their parents are equally accountable for not teaching them better then hopping peoples fences to steal their cannabis plants. If someone sneaks onto a farm to fuck with a farmers crops or livestock I would not be surprised if they get shot and that is essentially what happened here.
Yes it's only legal to shoot someone if they step inside your house. Doorstep doesn't count.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: passifloracaerulea]
#23732209 - 10/12/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is that true for every state or does it vary? Seems like you should either be able to shoot people on your property or not.
People should really have non lethal means of protection for times like these so they don't get trigger happy.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: musiclover420]
#23732445 - 10/12/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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True in Oregon at least unless laws changed. If they changed it would be manslaughter to kill someone in your own house unless lethal force had been used against you. I remember this was an issue when I was a kid back in the mid 80's. Trespassing is trespassing, nothing more until lethal force is used. Thievery is not punishable by death in America. You do not have a blanket right to defend your property with lethal force in America. If you choose to do so, you'll likely end up in court defending your own life.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: passifloracaerulea]
#23732554 - 10/12/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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reefer madness! /s its a shame people like this are around endangering the legality of pot
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: trampis]
#23732615 - 10/12/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have to admit that my opinion on this is pretty divided. Killing teens over marijuana is terrible, but it's unclear how much information he had about their age or threat level before he shot them. It was also 2 A.M. when this happened so the lighting may have been poor, although some would argue it must have been good enough to aim a rifle at someone.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23733390 - 10/13/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It really shouldn't matter what time it was or how dark it was or who it was, human life is always worth more than a few plants.
If he was that worried about his plants he should have slept by them.
Someone who is running away is definitely not an immediate threat. Plus he shot the survivor two times. Once while running away and once while climbing the fence.
This guy is a piece of shit.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: trampis]
#23733462 - 10/13/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Probably should just get some good guard dogs, guns and reefer, LOL.
Jeez, guys like this are what make things look bad, make good peace loving pot smokers appear like the cartels, willing to kill for their herb.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: musiclover420]
#23733485 - 10/13/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Is that true for every state or does it vary? Seems like you should either be able to shoot people on your property or not.
People should really have non lethal means of protection for times like these so they don't get trigger happy.
If it were Texas he would not be facing charges you can shoot someone on your lawn from your front porch if they are lurking around at night. What would you have him do to prevent greedy teenagers from robbing him blind of possibly hundreds of dollars worth of weed? I think people should think twice before comitting robbery as even the smallest insignificant heist can end in your death.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: impatientguy]
#23733513 - 10/13/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They were all wrong, really. When you want to be some dumbshit, act like the idiotic faux gangbangers that put out "gangsta" rap, and go steal somebobies MJ that is nearing harvest...youve taken all the steps necessary to make yourelf a victim. And now that they are victims, it cant be their own fault can it?
Not saying the dude had the right to shoot the kids, not saying he didnt, I dont care either way. Fucked up to use a 22 thou, he could have used a more humane weapon. Personally I'd rather be dead than paralyzed.
Wonder if BLM will get involved with this even thou the 'victims' were trying to victimize another. Something tells me the whole black on black crime ensures they wont. At least it wasnt a white guy this time.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: twohigh]
#23736379 - 10/14/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have had crops stolen, i'd shoot those fuckers too.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
#23736507 - 10/14/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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We got us a tough guy here
Way to be
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: trampis]
#23736590 - 10/14/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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He looks like the kind of ghetto punk that would shoot you for a dime. I'd rather him be the victim then me.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: bigbitch]
#23740767 - 10/15/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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bigbitch said: Stay away from high street. Marijuana is worth your life over there, all the fiends want to get high on high street.
Does anybody think it's strange that they are growing outdoor marijuana in Denver? I didn't think a pot plant could survive the cold over there right now.
Eh, we haven't had a freeze yet. It's in the 80s during the day and drops to the low 40s at night. It's harvest season for sure, have got a friend who pulled his up a few weeks ago because some neighbors were snooping around doing yard work and he was paranoid they would be stolen.
One of the few ways people die because of cannabis. Damn kids
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: ShroomDoom]
#23741926 - 10/16/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Is that true for every state or does it vary? Seems like you should either be able to shoot people on your property or not.
People should really have non lethal means of protection for times like these so they don't get trigger happy.
If it were Texas he would not be facing charges you can shoot someone on your lawn from your front porch if they are lurking around at night. What would you have him do to prevent greedy teenagers from robbing him blind of possibly hundreds of dollars worth of weed? I think people should think twice before comitting robbery as even the smallest insignificant heist can end in your death.
If it was Texas he would be going to prison for ever more charges. I somehow doubt the castle doctrine would trump murder during the commission of a felony. He killed 2 kids, he's a fucking idiot and he deserves to go to prison.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: HamHead]
#23741935 - 10/16/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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As someone who has tolerated physical intimidation, I have tried to show solidarity, in my neighborhood, with other people, facing the same troubles I have faced. I volunteer to fix vandalism and buddy-up with pedestrians, who are being eyed as a meal.
The short answer is that it is never formally allowed to defend anyone or anything.
If the 'powers that (shouldn't) be' are involved, ever, your actions can be considered mutual. They don't make any determination, as to victim and victimizer, except to perpetuate the state monopoly on the use of force.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: impatientguy]
#23745558 - 10/17/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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impatientguy said: We got us a tough guy here
Way to be
It has nothing to do with being tough, losing hundreds of thousands of dollars of hard work that you count on to pay bills , eat and live from, is just the same as thetheif trying to kill me. Taking my means to eat provide shelter for myself, and to benefit from the fruits of my labor to me is equivalent to trying to shoot me or take my life. I am willing to kill anyone trying to take food shelter and security from me or my family. To you its just a plant but to some its food for their kids, school clothes, a mortgage payment. I am willing to be judged by twelve rather tha being carried by six. Fuck those kids they deserved to get shot.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
#23746291 - 10/17/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. If the theft be certainly found in his hand alive, whether it be ox, or ass, or sheep; he shall restore double." -- from Exodus 22
I'd rather be the nice guy.


To me, this is dirty business. 
A bad guy will make up some excuse to kill you, first.
I've heard these people being interviewed, by the authorities, and being too tall is an excuse.
Yes, really.
Perps tell themselves and the popo, that you're a bad person, and they were doing the right thing.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
#23746502 - 10/17/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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impatientguy said: We got us a tough guy here
Way to be
It has nothing to do with being tough, losing hundreds of thousands of dollars of hard work that you count on to pay bills , eat and live from, is just the same as thetheif trying to kill me. Taking my means to eat provide shelter for myself, and to benefit from the fruits of my labor to me is equivalent to trying to shoot me or take my life. I am willing to kill anyone trying to take food shelter and security from me or my family. To you its just a plant but to some its food for their kids, school clothes, a mortgage payment. I am willing to be judged by twelve rather tha being carried by six. Fuck those kids they deserved to get shot.
He only had a few plants, not hundreds of thousands of dollars. Your comparing apples and oranges. This guy is a piece of shit and also what's wrong with the world.
These are kids we are talking about here. Think about how much potential good they could do if they aren't murdered.
Who hasn't ever stolen somthing in their lives?
Your just an Internet tought guy
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: impatientguy]
#23746521 - 10/17/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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impatientguy said: He only had a few plants, not hundreds of thousands of dollars. Your comparing apples and oranges. This guy is a piece of shit and also what's wrong with the world.
Who hasn't ever stolen somthing in their lives?
Your just an Internet tought guy
How do you know he wasn't counting on the $ from those "few plants" for something important like rent or food money...
It is not apples and oranges, clearly he shouldn't have shot those kids but they shouldn't have broken into his yard to steal from him...
There is a big difference between "stealing something" and trespassing to steal from a stranger... This guy could have been a deranged child molester for all those kids knew, both sides fucked up majorly but we don't know all the details. Maybe this guy needed those plants for medical reasons and was to broke to buy any Its not justifiable but you don't know why he did it.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: musiclover420]
#23746550 - 10/17/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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True I don't know why he did it.
It's not ok though.
If you need for sure money(for food and rent) you should get a job not gamble on some plants. This guy's is probably just a lazy POS.
Because yes he protected his crop, but now the crop doesn't even matter at this point. Just so fucking dumb.
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Re: Man shoots two teens in pot-filled back yard, killing one [Re: impatientguy]
#23747552 - 10/17/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, lets look at the sunshine of this seemingly cloudy event. Neither of those two will be robbing anyone else in the foreseeable future, and nobody on high st has to worry about their kids getting shot trying to steal from that guy.
Its a win-win.
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