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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: sunshine]
    #23731149 - 10/12/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There is a huge amount of Jujitsu in UFC sir.

Along with Muay Thai and wrestling Jujitsu is one of the three pillars of UFC.

The majority of UFC fighters are advanced in Jujitsu and many have black belts.

If you want to see the best Jujitsu in the world watch Demian Maia and Jaque Array fights.

Demian Maia literally uses pure Jujitsu to win his fights.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23731158 - 10/12/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't want to see anyone get hurt.  Jiu-jitsu is for gentle submissions.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: sunshine]
    #23731173 - 10/12/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Then watch Jujitsu competitions , not MMA.

As a Judo (the gentle way) competitor I can tell you that even in the gentler marital arts people get badly hurt  (I certainly have) but if you are sensitive it's best to watch grappling competitions instead.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23731219 - 10/12/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well what is your definition of enlightenment?

What I am describing is obviously not merely contentment or maturity as contentment and maturity clearly don't entail the states and achievements I have described.




I prefer to keep my views on mysticism mostly private, I've never discussed them in depth with anyone and likely never will.
All I will say is that my views and practices are built on out of body experiences, there is more, but it is a very tangible practice.

I don't see how your definition goes beyond a mood, ideal or way of looking at life.
To call that an ultimate goal seems a stretch, what makes it more desirable than drinking and whoring?


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23731236 - 10/12/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well I gave my definition of enlightenment and you said you disagreed.

That means you have your own definition of enlightenment that you think is more correct.

So the honorable thing to do when you disparage someone else's idea as incorrect is to share your own superior idea.

Otherwise you should not have called the other person wrong in the first place.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23731245 - 10/12/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well I gave my definition of enlightenment and you said you disagreed.

That means you have your own definition of enlightenment that you think is more correct.

So the honorable thing to do when you disparage someone else's idea as incorrect is to share your own superior idea.

Otherwise you should not have called the other person wrong in the first place.




That's not really what happened  :shrug:

I said people have different ideas of what the word "enlightenment" means
You gave an answer in a definitive sense and I disagreed with it and stated that it doesn't sound like a desirable goal

Honor doesn't mean much to me


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23731249 - 10/12/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

But when you disagree you must explain why you disagree and on what grounds.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23731266 - 10/12/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

By disagreeing on the definition, I'm already explaining
Because the point was that there are multiple views of the concept

Also linked to "the age of enlightenment" wiki, which was meant to bring European philosophy to mind, which is much more contentious than the popular forms of eastern philosophy, and the word enlightenment used to be thrown around quite a bit.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23731292 - 10/12/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So you are disagreeing that inner peace, tranquility, compassion and wisdom is a desirable goal ?


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23731302 - 10/12/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I want to get into MMA contests.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: sunshine]
    #23731305 - 10/12/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You mean compete in MMA?

How old are you?

I won't compete in MMA because of the unavoisable brain injury but I do train for it intensively.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23731317 - 10/12/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I want to submit a guy using brutal arm bars that hurt.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23731325 - 10/12/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So you are disagreeing that inner peace, tranquility, compassion and wisdom is a desirable goal ?




The original point was on the multiplicity of definitions for what constitutes "enlightenment"
I disagree that it is an "ultimate" goal, or that it constitutes "enlightenment"

Inner peace and all that, is just a facet of maturity imo


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23731330 - 10/12/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There are multiple definitions of any word.

But it is meaningless to disagree with my definition unless you offer an alternative one of your own and explain why it is superior.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: sunshine]
    #23731332 - 10/12/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well then join a Judo or Jujitsu class.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23731340 - 10/12/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am moving to Las Vegas to compete in MMA.  I say fuck judo.  It's all about BJJ.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: sunshine]
    #23731348 - 10/12/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Jujitsu is indeed a superior / more complete combat system than Judo.

Judo is an excellent sport though and great for developing a basic grasp of grappling, excellent take downs and arm bar, choke and pinning skills

Ronda Rousey is an example of a dominant mixed martial arts champion using a pure Judo base.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23731354 - 10/12/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm only worried about my wimpy looking chest.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: sunshine]
    #23731360 - 10/12/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Do some bench presses and take protein powder and creatine.


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Re: UFC 205 ! [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23731367 - 10/12/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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There are multiple definitions of any word.

But it is meaningless to disagree with my definition unless you offer an alternative one of your own and explain why it is superior.




Not really, its not a matter of better or worse views, the view has to stand on its own

Experience is the great teacher, if my views are correct then there is no need for propagation


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