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Fantasy prone personality
    #23730497 - 10/12/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I came across this diagnosis on wiki.  My doc thinks I might be schizoeffective according to my file but she was not certain.  I have had many labels and I am sure drugs both legal and illegal have shaped my file heavily. 

I have always dived deep into fantasy.  Some aspects of learning about my mind has led to a whole world of torment to shreds and threads of paradise.  I feel I deeply inhibit some aspect of myself and my energy filling or not thoroughly flowing through my body.

Anyhow, are there any life long captains of fantasy on the shroomery?  How have drugs influenced you fantasies?  I found reawakened search and hope and yet total failure in any expectation of a 'normal life'.  A normal life just doesn't fit in my fantasy and my outlook for worldly possessions are severely logistically limited.

I have lost it completely from changes in my fantasy.  They say FPP subjects can be hypnotized easily.  I have experienced varying depth of self induced hypnosis and San Pedro put me way too deep.  I fucking have loved the shamanic fantasies and respress and deeply morn not being born into that.  I fear the evil in us all and cannot imagine a way around that.  So I was deeply obsessed with war as a youth and child.

I have more tntegrating to do.  But it's personally interesting and worthy of thought.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23730755 - 10/12/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

your doc is as misguided and confused as you are (if not more)

be careful with them

a cognitive therapist may help


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23730966 - 10/12/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Channel your fantasies into something creative. Music, art, whatever.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: remake] * 1
    #23731298 - 10/12/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There is no such thing as a 'normal life'. How can there be?
Every single person past, present and future experiences life in a different and unique way, no two are the same. For there to be a 'normal life', it would mean that multiple people would have to live the exact same lives for it to be labelled 'normal'.Your belief in such a concept will cause you to worry about adhering to something that doesn't exist, resulting in 'total failure' as you put it.

Instead of wasting your limited time on this, you should try and focus on yourself and your own life. It is, after all, the only one you can experience so why not make it what YOU want to experience? There are no right and wrong choices except for what you BELIEVE are right and wrong choices.

For all we know once you leave this place you will never return, all your memories and 'reality' as you know it ceasing to exist along with you. If this life is the only experience you will ever have then let your fantasies run wild, interact with the world however you please and enjoy it as much as possible while you can.

What have you got to lose?


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23731565 - 10/12/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Strong, wise words wolf.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23731782 - 10/12/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I have always dived deep into fantasy.  Some aspects of learning about my mind has led to a whole world of torment to shreds and threads of paradise.  I feel I deeply inhibit some aspect of myself and my energy filling or not thoroughly flowing through my body.




Do you think it was your instincts/intuition that was inhibited?


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: sudly]
    #23731871 - 10/12/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's my full psyche potential inhibited.  By normal life I mean material gain.  The logistics in how I imagine going about get very taxing.  Going about normal dating, working, owning a car and house, all of the American Dream.  All of it is a dream and I got what I have and that floats.  My dreaming awake gets really weird.  I try to not get dark in my nature cause that has caused a lot of real life drama.  I have just seen so much of humanity.  A lot of tricky nature of people exists so I keep really personal.  I just imagine conversations with people I know and that's stressful.  Say little and try to not have dark humor and try to be polite.  The world is just ver uncertain and going through changes I feel some of going on inside me.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23731942 - 10/12/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe instead of anything being inhibited it's your fight or flight response being overstimulated that's adding to your stress.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: sudly]
    #23732015 - 10/12/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's conscious subconscious.  A bunch of real life info has yet to be experienced.  Learning.  Maybe spirit retrieval in my own slow pace of meditation and fantasy.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23733534 - 10/13/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

always more life yet to be experienced.

much unexpected - reality is more fascinating than imagination, it includes fantasy.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23736809 - 10/14/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ya but reality is just our best idea from our experience.  Seems all the problems in the world are due to people's fantasies not being compatible.  Past hateful or fearful programming present anxiety.  Logistical hurdles and inhibition.  We aren't even free in our minds because death, injury and loss are so real.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23736888 - 10/14/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Ya but reality is just our best idea from our experience.  Seems all the problems in the world are due to people's fantasies not being compatible.  Past hateful or fearful programming present anxiety.  Logistical hurdles and inhibition.  We aren't even free in our minds because death, injury and loss are so real.




the 'world' seems to be utterly insane!!

by world I don't mean the natural world, but the one fabricated around us by a ruling class maintained by coercion, violence, oppression, propaganda, and occultism.

The gatekeepers for this 'world' are the shrinks and psychologists who use their power to tell you you have 'this' or 'that' label and need their drugs or varioue therapies to make you/keep you 'normal'.

BUT if you were to really share with them your fears about the world, the horrors of war, and all that entails, the lie, how 9/11 was a false flag, the ecocide etc etc more often than not they include such concerns, thoughts, emotions, feelings as 'mental illness' and consider 'normality' a fitting into a 'real world' which is the very world I mean is totally fkin insane.

heard of the Mad Pride Movement?



It is people accepting what others ('normals' who seem to have no deep worries about the insane world and its road to destruction for all life) call a sickness. They are proud to be 'mad'. to be different, to see and feel things differently. Ie to see that we are all diverse and will not be made to fit into some 'normalized' role, and see how the world is insane.

we NEED madness because the world is insane if you get my drift?


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23736968 - 10/14/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Children raised in religious homes are usually more prone to developing unhealthy fantasies/delusions when adults.

I think it come down to you tell someone that a man walked on water, or parted a sea, and you tell that person they're wrong if they think otherwise, they're a bad person if they think otherwise, they're a sinner if they think otherwise, you do this to the person from their childhood until their grownup, it's no wonder people raised in such environments would form unhealthy fantasies/delusions in adulthood, because they're conditioned to believe in such things from a child, and those things are encouraged, so when the person who is conditioned/abused into such thinking gets older and away from their parents, they might start to not believe in the religion that was forced on them, and instead put that energy into other fantasies of their own creation, some might be acceptable, some not so much.

Their minds are conditioned to believe in such things, so without their family there to keep reminding them that they're sinners without following the family religion, they breakdown a bit in that area of their life, and search for something else to latch onto.  I believe people can overcome that feeling of having to latch onto things in order to find peace, which might be drugs, a person, crystals, material things, etc, and just be happy on their own, but the conditioned mind is hard to crack sometimes.  I think psychedelics can really help here, help in a therapeutic way.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: Lucis]
    #23737067 - 10/14/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I was raised Catholic but have developed more into shamanic.  Learned the hard way things that are not of this world only have the power we give it.  I wish we could legally have shamanic enthnogens.  I get a tad pissy about the laws so severely against the oldest religion known by mankind.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23737543 - 10/14/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ya know..Ive always been pretty much a dreamer...and that is linked with hope...I tried acting out in the forest by myself..with all my psychic fans...But the loneliness of the available pursuit of crafting is indeed a regard I take to heart..and act on seriously..which is why I go crafting in the first place...and such is the place for a dreamer...who needs to be forgiven...so I would say I am definitely into fantasy..and have been through all my life.. All of life is a miracle indeed...and fantasy is a beautiful way to live and interact in society..and Nature...and of course in your house or on the computer...

What would be funny would be starting a Dungeons and Dragons game online ..on a forum..


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #23739176 - 10/15/16 04:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

fantasy really can be seen as play. Children do it all the time. Wonder now though with all this tech shit in their faces whether this inhibits imagination?

But play is good but may people past a certain age are told that it is not good to be playful. is this why there is such a problem with drugs like alcohol etc. it GIVES people the excuse to play? That if they tried it without they would start worrying others may see them as 'mentally ill' or even think it of themselves?


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: zzripz]
    #23755273 - 10/20/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

if you go into yourself, is that fantasy?
when you meditate by adding nothing, is that fantasy?

when one comes out of meditation, they are very playful with what is in the moment, no fantasy added, just fun/Play


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23755717 - 10/20/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It is easier to dream about having something than to have it.  Fantasy is a safe way of exploring.  Rarely does day dreaming have new ideas that are overwhelming.  Sometimes my day dreaming is mind altering.  A bit deep and hypnotizing.  I do crave to go deeper and more often, but safely.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23757156 - 10/21/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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if you go into yourself, is that fantasy?
when you meditate by adding nothing, is that fantasy?

when one comes out of meditation, they are very playful with what is in the moment, no fantasy added, just fun/Play




met me see definition of term:

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fantasy (n.) Look up fantasy at Dictionary.com
    early 14c., "illusory appearance," from Old French fantaisie, phantasie "vision, imagination" (14c.), from Latin phantasia, from Greek phantasia "power of imagination; appearance, image, perception," from phantazesthai "picture to oneself," from phantos "visible," from phainesthai "appear," in late Greek "to imagine, have visions," related to phaos, phos "light," phainein "to show, to bring to light" (see phantasm). Sense of "whimsical notion, illusion" is pre-1400, followed by that of "fantastic imagination," which is first attested 1530s. Sense of "day-dream based on desires" is from 1926. In early use in English also fantasie, phantasy, etc. As the name of a fiction genre, from 1949.





I think that with 'meditation' the goal is to not become attached to the flowing images one may have? So in that sense one would resist suddenly participating in some kind of fantasy or play of imagination which would arise like say a child would

So in that sense the usual version of 'meditation' is non-participatory. A goal being to get to a state of stillness and no imagery

I don't meditate like that. Ie sitting still as such though I can sit still. So I don't think of coming out of some state, though I am naturally playful


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23757174 - 10/21/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It is easier to dream about having something than to have it.  Fantasy is a safe way of exploring.  Rarely does day dreaming have new ideas that are overwhelming.  Sometimes my day dreaming is mind altering.  A bit deep and hypnotizing.  I do crave to go deeper and more often, but safely.





Yes exploring. I will give a good example. I gave up smoking entirely some years ago after smoking for aeons, both baccy and weed, though I had phased out ciggies but did use baccy as base for my weed.

What I did and still do sometimes is fantasize being different types of characters smoking, their mannerisms, way they hold the ciggie or spliff, way they use mouth,and inhale and exhale expression etc etc. It can be VERY funny to myself doing this
I am not just imagining it in my head, but acting it out

With daydreams, they can blow my mind. it is the swiftness and multi layers that can go through the mind in such short space of time. You create whole scenes in your head just gazing for a while at something

I think this is our natural mythological nature. we are storytellers
This is what actual dreaming is~~#whole scenes and characters including yourself are created which are created by bodymind and imagination


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: zzripz]
    #23757367 - 10/21/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Partly true:
story telling is related to imagination which is related to thinking and dreams but dreaming is not conversely the telling of stories.


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Re: Fantasy prone personality [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23757721 - 10/21/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I disagree.  My dreams are over 99% of the time stories as are my fantasies.  Rarely are they visionary moments of extended awareness.


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