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Dmt_psilocybin
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Growing in dark
#23729375 - 10/11/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I understand there are other threads about this. However it seems like no one can come to a conclusion.
Theoretically, mushrooms don't perform photosynthesis, therefore they wouldn't need light to grow. I am planning my first grow and am planning to do it in a dark place. I have an understanding that most people use lights in their fruiting chambers. But for what reason? Mycelium technically speaking is the body of the fungus and the mushrooms is the fruit. But Mycelium needs to grow in the dark.
Does anyone have a reason light would be absolutely necessary in fruiting?
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YaMoonSun
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You don't perform photosynthesis, but we don't keep you in the basement. I think it has to do with surface warmth that the light provides and maybe vitamin D, idk.
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Dmt_psilocybin
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YaMoonSun said: You don't perform photosynthesis, but we don't keep you in the basement. I think it has to do with surface warmth that the light provides and maybe vitamin D, idk.
yet i could survive in the dark, just wouldn't be able to see. And mushrooms dont have eyes. The only kind of light that provides vitamin D is light from the sun.
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They derive energy from light, but its not via photosynthesis. Unlighted grows don't perform as well as those that recieve light
Mycelium doesn't need to be in the dark at any point.actually light is beneficial at every stage. There's no reason anything cubensis needs to ever be in the dark on purpose
Incubation in total darkness is 20 year old info.
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Dmt_psilocybin
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bodhisatta said: They derive energy from light, but its not via photosynthesis. Unlighted grows don't perform as well as those that recieve light
Mycelium doesn't need to be in the dark at any point.actually light is beneficial at every stage. There's no reason anything cubensis needs to ever be in the dark on purpose
Incubation in total darkness is 20 year old info.
Oh okay. I didn't take much consideration the pf tek was created in '97.
Say i'm forced to do an unlighted grow where i can only occasionally but in natural light. I'm planning on dunking the cakes as well. Would i get decent results?
This is my first attempt at growing and i was originally going to place the cakes outside in a bed, but i've recently decided to do it in doors with the top cut off of water gallons covered with seran wrap with perlite on the bottom.
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morty422
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Dmt_psilocybin said:
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bodhisatta said: They derive energy from light, but its not via photosynthesis. Unlighted grows don't perform as well as those that recieve light
Mycelium doesn't need to be in the dark at any point.actually light is beneficial at every stage. There's no reason anything cubensis needs to ever be in the dark on purpose
Incubation in total darkness is 20 year old info.
Oh okay. I didn't take much consideration the pf tek was created in '97.
Say i'm forced to do an unlighted grow where i can only occasionally but in natural light. I'm planning on dunking the cakes as well. Would i get decent results?
This is my first attempt at growing and i was originally going to place the cakes outside in a bed, but i've recently decided to do it in doors with the top cut off of water gallons covered with seran wrap with perlite on the bottom.
What tek are you following?
You are obviously new to this.
What sort of information about a growing technique did you find that that said growing like this would be okay? Anything post 2000? 2005? 2010? I mean... anything?
If you can't use a proper chamber built to spec with the required variables and you don't have the required knowledge to do an experimental grow-why would you spend the time doing something that (I honestly believe) will be a failure?
I'm not trying to slow your roll or anything - but your roll seems terrible at best...
Look at my signature - look at the links that I have....
No one does what you talk about doing...
Do it right and you WILL have success...do it wrong and..well.. you'll have a shitty grow.
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Re: Growing in dark [Re: morty422]
#23729730 - 10/11/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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these fruited in the dark(accident)

after exposure to fruiting conditions it put out some(light and tons of FAE)

big difference with in the dark vs a few days in the light.
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morty422
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Re: Growing in dark [Re: mushboy]
#23729739 - 10/11/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushboy said: these fruited in the dark(accident)

after exposure to fruiting conditions it put out some(light and tons of FAE)

big difference with in the dark vs a few days in the light.
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azur
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bodhisatta said: They derive energy from light, but its not via photosynthesis. Unlighted grows don't perform as well as those that recieve light
Mycelium doesn't need to be in the dark at any point.actually light is beneficial at every stage. There's no reason anything cubensis needs to ever be in the dark on purpose
Incubation in total darkness is 20 year old info.
Funny story. My lab is without power and my jars seem to be colonizing faster than usual
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morty422
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Re: Growing in dark [Re: azur]
#23729812 - 10/11/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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azur said:
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bodhisatta said: They derive energy from light, but its not via photosynthesis. Unlighted grows don't perform as well as those that recieve light
Mycelium doesn't need to be in the dark at any point.actually light is beneficial at every stage. There's no reason anything cubensis needs to ever be in the dark on purpose
Incubation in total darkness is 20 year old info.
Funny story. My lab is without power and my jars seem to be colonizing faster than usual 
Grow all your jars in the dark... Obviously it's working out for you- if they are growing faster...
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Re: Growing in dark [Re: morty422]
#23729816 - 10/11/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well that's not enough to make a conclusion, but an experiment is clearly in the works
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Dmt_psilocybin
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Re: Growing in dark [Re: morty422]
#23729872 - 10/11/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morty422 said:
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Dmt_psilocybin said:
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bodhisatta said: They derive energy from light, but its not via photosynthesis. Unlighted grows don't perform as well as those that recieve light
Mycelium doesn't need to be in the dark at any point.actually light is beneficial at every stage. There's no reason anything cubensis needs to ever be in the dark on purpose
Incubation in total darkness is 20 year old info.
Oh okay. I didn't take much consideration the pf tek was created in '97.
Say i'm forced to do an unlighted grow where i can only occasionally but in natural light. I'm planning on dunking the cakes as well. Would i get decent results?
This is my first attempt at growing and i was originally going to place the cakes outside in a bed, but i've recently decided to do it in doors with the top cut off of water gallons covered with seran wrap with perlite on the bottom.
What tek are you following?
You are obviously new to this.
What sort of information about a growing technique did you find that that said growing like this would be okay? Anything post 2000? 2005? 2010? I mean... anything?
If you can't use a proper chamber built to spec with the required variables and you don't have the required knowledge to do an experimental grow-why would you spend the time doing something that (I honestly believe) will be a failure?
I'm not trying to slow your roll or anything - but your roll seems terrible at best...
Look at my signature - look at the links that I have....
No one does what you talk about doing...
Do it right and you WILL have success...do it wrong and..well.. you'll have a shitty grow. 
I'm am new to growing as I stated it's my first one
As I stated pf tek
I have found quite a bit of information about fruiting in the dark, also quite a bit about not fruiting in the dark.
People do what I am talking about doing
Most edible mushrooms are grown without light. Not psilocybin, edible. However I've seen people say they have fruited in the dark
Because I don't have money and time to build a professional fruiting chamber built to spec.
You might ask why would you do this than?
Because other people have had results in the past. Commercial edible mushrooms are grown in complete darkness. However some people say what you are saying, which is my reason for creating this thread.
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Dmt_psilocybin
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Re: Growing in dark [Re: mushboy]
#23729881 - 10/11/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushboy said: these fruited in the dark(accident)

after exposure to fruiting conditions it put out some(light and tons of FAE)

big difference with in the dark vs a few days in the light.
Is this the same flush? See I'm forced to have them in the dark most of the time. But I'm sure a few hours per day I can have them out in light. Personally how do you think that would turn out?
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morty422
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Sorry man,
I maintain my position that a grow performed with respect to standardized practices will be more of a treat to you in regards to yield (and happiness).
If the money is not there yet (for even a SGFC) than you might need to wait a few moments. I know how it is-I've been there. It's best to wait and do it right than not wait and do it terribly!
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Re: Growing in dark [Re: azur] 1
#23729919 - 10/11/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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azur said:
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bodhisatta said: They derive energy from light, but its not via photosynthesis. Unlighted grows don't perform as well as those that recieve light
Mycelium doesn't need to be in the dark at any point.actually light is beneficial at every stage. There's no reason anything cubensis needs to ever be in the dark on purpose
Incubation in total darkness is 20 year old info.
Funny story. My lab is without power and my jars seem to be colonizing faster than usual 
Its been shown a few times that fungo colonize and grow faster in a dark cycle opposed to the light cycle. But you can't have a dark cycle without a light cycle. An extended dark cycle will show great growth but will eventually wind down.
However a controlled experiment on this subject would be illuminating. I would watch with intrest.
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Dmt_psilocybin
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Re: Growing in dark [Re: morty422]
#23729941 - 10/11/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morty422 said: Sorry man,
I maintain my position that a grow performed with respect to standardized practices will be more of a treat to you in regards to yield (and happiness).
If the money is not there yet (for even a SGFC) than you might need to wait a few moments. I know how it is-I've been there. It's best to wait and do it right than not wait and do it terribly! 
This is only meant for a little personal grow as I become tiresome of hunting although it is fun.
definitely following specific standardized procedures will yield better, however I'm not looking for anything huge. Just some shrooms to have a good spiritual time with I am no mycologist. Investing money into something like this while worth it, I can't do it right now and don't see it in the future so I'm just trying for the best thing I can do at this moment.
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Doing it right is cheaper and easier than doing it wrong, if you have the humility to drop your assumptions
No one is forced to do anything, only limited by motivation and creativity (and sometimes ego).
In the age of Internet, LEDs, CFLs, and lithium ion/polymer batteries, there aren't really any valid excuses
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Re: Growing in dark *DELETED* [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23730329 - 10/12/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dmt_psilocybin
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Re: Growing in dark [Re: amidogen]
#23730347 - 10/12/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dmt_psilocybin said: Because I don't have money and time to build a professional fruiting chamber built to spec.
I call bullshit. You obviously haven't read any of the links Morty gave you or even a good PF tek writeup like EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes here on Shroomery. If you had, you'd know a "professional" fruiting chamber is an SGFC, which is a $5 clear 60+qt tote with 1/4" holes spaced 2" apart, drilled on all 6 sides, and filled with 3-4" of perlite. The perlite costs $5 at worst. If you're super cheap like me and don't own a drill, it takes time, but there are plenty if ways to make a hole in a plastic box with a knife or hot nail.
Tell me you've read what Morty told you to read. Tell me you're going to read this info I'm going to link you to: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=255&Number=19140341&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=
Specifically the PF tek writeups. Tell me you're serious about this and that your real reason for trying to grow in the dark isn't to hide it from your parents. Tell me you're going to put in the research (you clearly need to) and stop giving bullshit excuses like a $5 tote and $5 worth of perlite is too expensive. If you truly can't spare $10, you're not in a place where you can successfully commit this felony.
Let me make this clear I have the funds available I am not in a position to invest my time and money into that.I have college classes and books to pay for and I don't live with my fuckin parents thank you I need a stealth grow for other personal reason that frankly isn't any of your business All those fruiting chambers are too large for what I am needing
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Dmt_psilocybin
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c10h12n2o said: Doing it right is cheaper and easier than doing it wrong, if you have the humility to drop your assumptions
No one is forced to do anything, only limited by motivation and creativity (and sometimes ego).
In the age of Internet, LEDs, CFLs, and lithium ion/polymer batteries, there aren't really any valid excuses
I am forced to do this. I'm in college and can't have shrooms growing in he middle of a room I'm not going to explain why frankly it's none of your business I pay for college classes and books and am in absolutely no position to invest my time or money in doing this professionally when the way I'm talking about has worked for the purposes I am talking about.
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