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The phenomenom of Deja vu...
#23729080 - 10/11/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is this about? Why does it happen? You ever had a moment in life where the events taking place felt like it had already happened before? Almost like you dreamt it? I've been having this happen to my pretty regularly for the past 3 years so much so that I have gotten use to it. Sometimes i'll literally have a dream and later on that day it'll happen.. What is the cause? Am I becoming a prophet?
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: JustForToday] 2
#23729093 - 10/11/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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probably, you've rejected God, and now you've got the power.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: akira_akuma]
#23729128 - 10/11/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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All trolling aside, Akira, what do you think?
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: JustForToday] 1
#23729144 - 10/11/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think it's a type of mirror neuron reaction that we don't really comprehend yet. either from witnessing something similar in a dream, or literally by happenstance that cannot be identified.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: akira_akuma]
#23729152 - 10/11/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's our respawning point after we die. You know, the last place we saved our progress. Lol
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: akira_akuma]
#23729159 - 10/11/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used to get very intense and extremely extended deja vu experiences on nitrous. It was the best and felt like all knowledge could be accessed. It did not persist after a nde with the nitrous. So wish I could be back to that and states of ecstasy.
As for being a prophet that's not going to work. You are human and your perceived authority will have as many or more faults than those that currently lead you.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: JustForToday]
#23729163 - 10/11/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I personally think multiple memories that have similarities to what we're seeing/experiencing or at least bits and pieces of those memories sometimes make a connection and all get recalled at once feeling like a single memory and make it seem like you've seen or experienced that before, the brain misfires or malfunctions in some way. AFAIK there's no definitive answer to what they are or why they happen, but that's what I lean towards. Not my idea either, I just remember reading something about it and it made the most sense to me even though I probably butchered the explanation of it
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: JustForToday]
#23729168 - 10/11/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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its a glitch in the matrix. I always have deja vu after the fact. like I'll experience something and then when when I think back on it later in the day, I'll think "that has happened to me before."
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Deja vue is a synapse misfire. The information goes through your memory before going into your consciousness; therefore you think that you have actually experienced the situation. Thankfully, your brain lets you notice when you've had a deja vu; otherwise, people would get freaked out
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: mt cleverest]
#23729184 - 10/11/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's like tripping. Remembering the profound experience and having been in that disassociate state that is somehow aligning.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: Patlal]
#23729187 - 10/11/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Deja vue is a synapse misfire. The information goes through your memory before going into your consciousness; therefore you think that you have actually experienced the situation. Thankfully, your brain lets you notice when you've had a deja vu; otherwise, people would get freaked out
There is no specific area of the brain for memory. Memory is a mystery because how does a neuron relay information through other neurons where to fire direction-ally? They do not know or even ask.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: Morel Guy]
#23729204 - 10/11/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said:
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Patlal said: Deja vue is a synapse misfire. The information goes through your memory before going into your consciousness; therefore you think that you have actually experienced the situation. Thankfully, your brain lets you notice when you've had a deja vu; otherwise, people would get freaked out
There is no specific area of the brain for memory. Memory is a mystery because how does a neuron relay information through other neurons where to fire direction-ally? They do not know or even ask.
I believe that memory involves millions of neuron at a time. All of them are being sent information. Some of them will short circuit, some will die, some will misinterpret but I believe most will be reliable. The longer you hang on to it, the more it'll be skewed. Imagination will make up for the holes in the story automatically. Our brain cannot tolerate moments of incertainty, therefore it creates memories as it goes.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: Patlal]
#23729208 - 10/11/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The mind does dream and tends to wonder. I surely have not solved anything.
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SirShroomsAlott said: I personally think multiple memories that have similarities to what we're seeing/experiencing or at least bits and pieces of those memories sometimes make a connection and all get recalled at once feeling like a single memory and make it seem like you've seen or experienced that before, the brain misfires or malfunctions in some way. AFAIK there's no definitive answer to what they are or why they happen, but that's what I lean towards. Not my idea either, I just remember reading something about it and it made the most sense to me even though I probably butchered the explanation of it 
Id believe that if brains regularly misfired when it came to other things as well. To just affect memory seems too specific. Maybe this is the matrix and deju vu is something similar to those jolts you get when you snap awake only its the experience of having a hiccup of lag in the connection.
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That could definitely be the case but the brain doesn't only misfire with memory, books of optical illusions for instance might as well be called "brain failures". Our brain fails to process a ton of information or experiences correctly all the time, maybe we thought we saw something that wasn't there, heard something no one else did or didn't hear what everyone else did, there's a ton of various scenarios our brain misfires even if the majority just happen to be minor ones.
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I'm not so sure it's a misfire. It may be that memory was not formed perfectly to begin. I never achieved perfect perspective so forming memory and reliving the present moment is not perfect. Although in my nitrous deja vu experiences perfection could be recalled. It was the carrot at the end of the stick and still is. But I have grown much more mentally ill and just not being anxious, sick, or constantly hungry for anything is alright.
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Medial temporal lobe electrical misfire. A bad connection to parts of the brain important in registering short term attentional memory to long term memories that would normally create a sensation of familiarity.
People with temporal lobe epilepsy have de ja vu as a precursor or symptom of often small seizures associated with it. Starts with a misfire, but the electric impulse can spread to other parts of the brain as well in the circuit.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: Morel Guy]
#23729332 - 10/11/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: I'm not so sure it's a misfire. It may be that memory was not formed perfectly to begin. I never achieved perfect perspective so forming memory and reliving the present moment is not perfect. Although in my nitrous deja vu experiences perfection could be recalled. It was the carrot at the end of the stick and still is. But I have grown much more mentally ill and just not being anxious, sick, or constantly hungry for anything is alright.
I can see that, but really it's then a matter of semantics. A person who had de ja vu from epilepsy would certainly be described a someone whom had a misfire. Though the process is similar in someone whom has a normal instance of de ja vu not followed by a seizure at any scale. You might not describe that as a misfire, because it may be part of the normal reaction for the brain and it just connected what would seem to be unconnected memories causing the weird sensation.
It's really down to where you draw lines at at that point, one could argue that even the seizure is a normal brain function for one with epilepsy and that they are not misfiring as well.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: JustForToday]
#23729341 - 10/11/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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a mental misfire as others have said, nothing special about it except it feels trippy
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: PatrickKn]
#23729350 - 10/11/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Medial temporal lobe electrical misfire. A bad connection to parts of the brain important in registering short term attentional memory to long term memories that would normally create a sensation of familiarity.
People with temporal lobe epilepsy have de ja vu as a precursor or symptom of often small seizures associated with it. Starts with a misfire, but the electric impulse can spread to other parts of the brain as well in the circuit.
Which part of it is aware of this feeling? More importantly how.
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PatrickKn said: Medial temporal lobe electrical misfire. A bad connection to parts of the brain important in registering short term attentional memory to long term memories that would normally create a sensation of familiarity.
People with temporal lobe epilepsy have de ja vu as a precursor or symptom of often small seizures associated with it. Starts with a misfire, but the electric impulse can spread to other parts of the brain as well in the circuit.
Which part of it is aware of this feeling? More importantly how.
Not a clue. We need Malcolm in here. He's the resident Shroomery neurologist.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: PatrickKn]
#23729446 - 10/11/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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My mom used to have seizures once or twice, same as a sister of mine. My mom's was caused by the mylan covering shorting out. I suppose down the line that caused some disruption and misfiring. It would catch a computer on fire or seriously damage equipment.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: JustForToday]
#23729452 - 10/11/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think Deja Vu happens because we have more than one level of consciousness, and one of these subconscious "levels" perceives reality a split second before our waking consciousness does. On a rare occasion, our subconscious level of perception connects with our waking perception, so that when our waking perception perceives an event, it's connected with the memory of that event that has already formed in our subconscious, which had already perceived it before our waking consciousness did.
I've often thought that marijuana causes this subconscious level to connect with our normal waking consciousness, which is why there's a lot of Deja Vu.
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Deja vu only happens when your mind thinks its waking up, but already is. It is also something, metaphysical, so dont tell me its not "special" ~Bunny
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: littleton]
#23729484 - 10/11/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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But everything manifested of the mind is metaphysical in nature. That de ja vu is too makes it no more special than any other thought. Thoughts themselves are metaphysical.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: PatrickKn]
#23729747 - 10/11/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Deja vu can be occurrences of or awakenings of a past life memory in some circumstances, in others it can be the Universe trying to show you something. Or a manifestation of your consciousness. What do you call 10,000 people experiencing deja vu at the same time? Deja Vu, man. Life is fucking trippy and then you die. And then... the cycle continues orrr you merge with all that is. Either way you slice it we are all part of one giant consciousness.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: Shroomism]
#23729779 - 10/11/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sometimes being confused or knowing I am recalling a memory from a dream is like deja vu. It can feel like tapping into hidden memories. Somewhere inside we know what it's like to feel shrooms. I read on overgrow years ago that someone dreamed they did cocaine and it felt exactly like it did after when they first tried it. I see it as the mind is small and it's ability is even smaller. It takes a lot of staging to get anywhere in life. That is if you do want to get somewhere. Shit, even just normal stuff takes some staging.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: PatrickKn]
#23729885 - 10/11/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: But everything manifested of the mind is metaphysical in nature. That de ja vu is too makes it no more special than any other thought. Thoughts themselves are metaphysical.
Right. Explain to me the metaphysics of nature, and your mind, Please.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: littleton]
#23729931 - 10/11/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thought metaphysical was fiction, or spuedoscience and the immaterial. Unfulfilled fantasy
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: Morel Guy]
#23729936 - 10/11/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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are thoughts pseudoscience?
is thoughts still macking and crib-snatching?
who knows...who knows, indeed.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: akira_akuma]
#23729939 - 10/11/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thoughts afterlife and ya got concrete metaphysics. Until then!
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: Morel Guy] 2
#23729971 - 10/11/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's really strange, I know I've seen this thread before.
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It doesnt happen very often for me, sometimes it is over a year or two before it happens again..Its just weird when it happens though, i always think i am in a dream when it does
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: JustForToday]
#23730345 - 10/12/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have had several instances in my life where I dream something and it ends up happening in real life. Total mind fuck... Those moments are always brief and I only realize it when its over so I cant change what happened.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: Morel Guy]
#23730363 - 10/12/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: I thought metaphysical was fiction, or spuedoscience and the immaterial. Unfulfilled fantasy
It is often discussed as such. But metaphysics is philosophy of that which is manifested of the mind. The value of money for example. Sounds as music. Electronic impulse as conscious thought. Ultimately, the idea that the mind gives life to things that both exist and sometimes don't exist.
Therefore it's not pseudoscience, it's philosophy. And it doesn't try to prove anything, only to make sense of something.
The term is often thrown around with no context though.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: PatrickKn]
#23730459 - 10/12/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If human can experience or reach with some thought, perhaps there is substance.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: Morel Guy]
#23730462 - 10/12/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nothing is completely immaterial.
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Re: The phenomenom of Deja vu... [Re: PatrickKn]
#23732046 - 10/12/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No,but a lot of shit should of never materialized.
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