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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23729291 - 10/11/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Right on. I understand pumping in the mist. But did you check out my first post with the picture diagram. It's pumping in 'humid air' from a separate chamber- the bucket with Perlite. What do you think about that idea specifically?


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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: 277volt808] * 1
    #23729310 - 10/11/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The main advantage I thought of might be if someone wanted a FC that didn't need to be in the middle of the room (open air), a PMP can go anywhere in that the fresh air is "piped in".

My hobby experience is in salt water reef tank, hydroponics, and I'm decent with electronics so I wasn't deterred in making things "complicated" if it could meet the needs of semi-automation and able to be confined.

MOst importantly, I was interested in what specifically were the problems with PMP's?



Usually the biggest problem with noobs and automated systems is they have no idea what mushrooms want. They think things like constant high chamber humidity are important, drown and suffocate them. You want constant evaporation from the surface, this doesn't happen very well in a constant high rh environment or sealed box.  An experienced grower knowing about proper surface conditions could have better results with no chamber at all. Fuck chamber rh and
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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: 277volt808] * 1
    #23729317 - 10/11/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Right on. I understand pumping in the mist. But did you check out my first post with the picture diagram. It's pumping in 'humid air' from a separate chamber- the bucket with Perlite. What do you think about that idea specifically?




You are the 10,000th person to suggest that. Giver a try, and report back. The thousands before you never seem to report back with results.

Seriously we see 1000 of these a year. Complete with diagrams illustrating the chamber etc. Seriously this exact thread comes up many many times a year.


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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23729389 - 10/11/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You want constant evaporation from the surface, this doesn't happen very well in a constant high rh environment or sealed box.




So a SGFC 'fluctuates' with the room conditions. Correct? I for instance keep the house at 77 degrees 24/7. What room conditions are changing?

I will try to research more of what mushrooms want. Thanks bud.


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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: 277volt808]
    #23729403 - 10/11/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23729442 - 10/11/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Sgfc's create their own air currents, air is constantly being exchanged up through the perlite and out the top and sides. The only rh that really matters is on the surface of the cakes, which is achieved by misting until cakes glisten with fine beads of moisture  repeat when they have evaporated. You get this down you're good. As said chambers are for our benefit so we don't have to mist constantly, a sgfc strikes a good balance of fresh air, evaporation and low maintenance, just have to mist 2-3 times a day on average depending on area conditions.


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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: 277volt808]
    #23729458 - 10/11/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks again NDStepp84.

I do remember reading about the fluctuating dew point to allow evaporation from the surface.

I can see how people would see PMP's as being inferior to other methods in the fact that you have to add extra systems just to meet the standard of what's already simplified. I still like the idea of not having to have a tub in the middle of the room. I would say it's a matter of what fits the situation.

I like making automated set ups. I made a dual-system 100 gallon ebb and flow hydro set up 2 years ago. Automated lights and pumps. Brewed my own benificial bacteria tea and all. Supplementing hydro set ups with your own 'brewed' bacteria isn't a common practice; most people choose the other route: H202 and frequent water changes. I was able to combine some experience with other hobbies and try the less beaten path to success. I've also been doing reef tanks for about 10 years and that's another brilliant community. Anything that involves lighting, water, nutrients, and crazy parameters ready to swing into outer-space at the drop of a hat- I'm about that.

That's why I was more interested in the WHY of PMP's being frowned upon. And yes Pastywhyte, I'm sure 1000 people came up with the idea to throw in some timers and fluctuate the RH. Am I right? Just don't get annoyed. It's interesting to us noobs and we're not all dumb idiots spinnin the hottest flavor of the second.


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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: 277volt808]
    #23729508 - 10/11/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you really want to build your own system consider checking into green houses or automated rooms as said, you will have much better results than a pmp and give you something to build and tinker around with plus plenty of room to expand/ several projects. My guess you would build the pmp, get bored with it after a grow want to expand and build a greenhouse or something similar anyway

Tractor supply may have some small greenhouses on sale right now, they do here for like 14 bucks.  I picked up a 10x7 for 40$ for my plants.


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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: NDStepp84] * 1
    #23729514 - 10/11/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The really funny thing is every automatic automated setup is usually far less automated than a SGFC is let alone a monotub.


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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23729541 - 10/11/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'd say definitely. Until someone invents a system with cameras and software to monitor and maintain surface conditions then it still would maybe just tie with a 7$ monotub at best lol.


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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #23729910 - 10/11/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Dude holy shit thats awesome!
5 shrooms man!!!
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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: 277volt808]
    #23729938 - 10/11/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Right on. I understand pumping in the mist. But did you check out my first post with the picture diagram. It's pumping in 'humid air' from a separate chamber- the bucket with Perlite. What do you think about that idea specifically?



I think you should learn what mushrooms want first.

The idea you have about what they want and need isn't what they want and need


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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23730027 - 10/12/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The really funny thing is every automatic automated setup is usually far less automated than a SGFC is let alone a monotub.

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I think you should learn what mushrooms want first.

The idea you have about what they want and need isn't what they want and need




:whathesaid: + everything pasty and NDstep84 said

many of us have been down similar paths of thought, and thats how we learned what we are telling you. and we have ALL seen countless threads where someone has to forcefully unlearn all their assumptions before they can make ANY progress, or they just never do

hell man, my first grow ever was built around lots of the same assumptions and needs: i hid a little PMP inside a wall of my RA's dorm (literally wired it into their wall). fortunately, i have learned a LOT since then, and find my all the assumptions i started with hilarious


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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23731985 - 10/12/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think you should learn what mushrooms want first.

The idea you have about what they want and need isn't what they want and need


Sounds dumb, but it's true.....


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Re: PMP. Sorry about the dead horse but... [Re: Bernard]
    #23732313 - 10/12/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:sad:
I sounds dumb?
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