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Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed.
    #23728829 - 10/11/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think I messed up lol.

These jars were inoculated with PES Amazonian on either the 1st or the 2nd, I forgot to look at the time and it was late, but about 10 days ago. There are 7 total, but I only included pics of the 4 with the most growth.

15 of the easy agar dishes were prepared and sterilized on the 2nd and 3 of those were inoculated on the 4th, each with a different syringe. One was a B+ that I made myself with a spore print from my PF tek harvest a couple weeks ago, one was leftover PES Amazonian from the grain jars, and one was Treasure Coast.



This is just disappointing... I appear to be growing cobweb in my wbs jars and nothing in my agar dishes. I am really unsure what that says about my sterile procedure, as it was almost identical for both the grain jars and the agar. There was some water that had settled in the agar dishes after sterilization, I looked up what to do and people said dump the water when you inoculate. So I did that, but more condensation has settled in the from the sides since then. It is pooling on one side and I feel like the single drop of spore solution just ran across the plate and is in that little pool now, for some reason unable to establish growth... What do you think I did wrong?


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23728857 - 10/11/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I thought cobweb only grows on top of substrate like the way it does on casings in some situations. I learn something everyday; I suggest that you wait on it untill you see traditional mycellia and then add a some 3% peroxide to kill cobweb and save the jar, but it is a little risky and unorthodox. Goodluck Comrade.

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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: Buger]
    #23728867 - 10/11/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

did you clean up the agar?

as in do some transfers to new plates? or just spore to agar to jar?

if so then you bring whatever funky shit is in the syringe to the plate and
to the jar and so on.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: Buger]
    #23728875 - 10/11/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How did you prepair your grains? What did you inoculate with?

Your plates are probably fine. They always condensate. It takes a while for spores from a syringe to germinate. I've had spores take amost two weeks, just be patiet.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: mushboy]
    #23728912 - 10/11/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I prepared the wbs exactly as spitballjedi says to in his tek, and pressure cooked for 2hrs at 15psi. I used a spore syringe of PES Amazonian to inoculate all of the jars, and one of the plates.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23728945 - 10/11/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I used a spore syringe of PES Amazonian to inoculate all of the jars,




Right there is where you went wrong. Spore syringes are rarely clean enough to do a direct to grain inoculation.

None of those jars look good to me. Work on your agar a bit to get those spores cleaned up. If its taking too much time or effort, it may be best to start with a new syringe.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23728960 - 10/11/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Its probably contamination from your syringe.
How much solution did you use in each jar?

Also could be just me but the grains seem to be wet. Did you make sure they were dry to the touch before loading jars?


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23729047 - 10/11/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ms to grain don't work well.  Keep up the agar work and try to stick with 1,2 or 3 tops of different kinds.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23729060 - 10/11/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No they were wet. Read SBJ's tek, its how he does it. He just soaks in hot water for 24hrs after rinsing, let the excess drain for 30 minutes, then loads into jars. It was a method linked from "The Noob Forum" and I liked the sound of not boiling/simmering, as I was afraid of the cracked corn making it all sticky, and it just sounded easier. I thought it seemed weird too, but after reading in the comments for hours and seeing him and other people claiming that the boiling was only necessary for rye berries, I said screw it, it wouldn't be recommended by Trusted Cultivators if it didn't get results.

And yeah, I am thinking the contam was in the syringe. I knew it was a risk since spores are dirty and I knew agar was the only sure way I could get clean spawn, but I tried anyways.
I will do 3 more plates, with just the Amazonian this time. I was stupid and forgot to label the first three, so who knows which is which! Maybe someday when they come to fruit, I can compare pictures and at least figure out which was the B+ hahaha. What do you guys suggest I do about the condensation pooling and such? It doesn't seem like it would be beneficial for my growth to start in a pool on the edge...


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23729092 - 10/11/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Dump it before you knock it in the sab. 

I prep my wbs by poring boiled water on them pop a lid on, then wait an hour, drain until there is not more than a few drops, load and pc, after the cycle and the pressure drops on its own I take them out (still hot), shake them, and throw them in the sab. Thanks foo man.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23729116 - 10/11/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, other than the soak time and how hot the water was, that is what I did too. And I did dump the first three out, but more condensation pooled after inoculation. The plates are a bit uneven so it is all pooling to one side. Will the drop of spore solution end up on the side as well? They aren't that uneven, but enough to cause a pool on one side. I dunno haha.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23729133 - 10/11/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Flame you loop then drop solution on it to cool it and 1 drop to catch spores then touch it to the agar if you dont want a flood.  It dries out in a few days if it is only condensation.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23729162 - 10/11/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Flame you loop then drop solution on it to cool it and 1 drop to catch spores then touch it to the agar if you dont want a flood.  It dries out in a few days if it is only condensation.




Interesting, I don't just let a drop land in the middle of the plate? I was told to use a flamed loop or scalpel for spores from a print, I did not know about using it with syringes though. I need to read more about making a loop :tongue:


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23729237 - 10/11/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Jeepers. Having my spawn that wet would urk me out. I only have experience with rye. Usually having wet spawn is asking for trouble.

You never mentioned how much solution you used in each jar... Obviously you shouldnt be nocking up jars with spores while youre working with agar but Im just curious.

I have a hunch that you used more than 1cc and that hunch needs to be put to rest :lol:


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23729311 - 10/11/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Jeepers. Having my spawn that wet would urk me out. I only have experience with rye. Usually having wet spawn is asking for trouble.

You never mentioned how much solution you used in each jar... Obviously you shouldnt be nocking up jars with spores while youre working with agar but Im just curious.

I have a hunch that you used more than 1cc and that hunch needs to be put to rest :lol:




It was just about 1cc. I did 7 jars and had barely over 3ccs left. Went much smoother than my first grow haha, I have refined my method of using the syringe pretty well after reading some threads about it.

When I first used a syringe for brf jars, I was like "Whoa there! That was more than 1cc in just the first hole!" because it just slid so easily. It was due to the way I was holding it in my hand haha, now I can use quite a bit more pressure and just have it slooooowllyy slide down as the drops form at the end of the needle until they drop off.

I think 1cc ended up being a few drops on average. Didn't really count, just watched where the plunger was at mostly haha.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23729418 - 10/11/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Usually when doing syringe to grain you want to use as little solution as possible. A drop or two will suffice. 1cc is quite a bit more solution than you need to noc up a jar of grain.

My first grain jar I did I didn't do any research and used a whole syringe thinking it would colonize faster. My jar ended up looking a lot like yours do pretty quickly. What I didnt realize at the time was that all I had done was introduce my grains to a shittonne of bacteria before any of the billions of spores even had a chance to germinate.

With a spore syringe, less is always more.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23729477 - 10/11/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Good to know. Why is it that brf cakes are usually ok with spore syringes then?


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23729553 - 10/11/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

take of a bit of a ms syringe & make a LC, save lots of trouble personally i cant find a downside to a good LC.. & you can isolate farther once you have a tested LC sample your happy with.    (I prefer the self injection port/micron filter premade lids)


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: sporeworker]
    #23729643 - 10/11/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I thought LC was almost impossible to tell if its contaminated? What would be the benefit of MS to LC over MS to agar, clean it up, then turn any one of the clean cultures into however much LC you need? Have you ever had any contaminated LCs?

I should have only done agar but I was eager to start grains so I took a risk. As long as you guys say the plates could possibly still grow I will keep watching them!


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: Buger]
    #23729700 - 10/11/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Buger said:
I suggest that you wait on it untill you see traditional mycellia and then add a some 3% peroxide to kill cobweb and save the jar, but it is a little risky and unorthodox. Goodluck Comrade.

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Yea I'd say that's a little risky...:uhoh:

I'm sure you've done this before with great results, huh?


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23730012 - 10/12/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I thought LC was almost impossible to tell if its contaminated? What would be the benefit of MS to LC over MS to agar, clean it up, then turn any one of the clean cultures into however much LC you need? Have you ever had any contaminated LCs?

I should have only done agar but I was eager to start grains so I took a risk. As long as you guys say the plates could possibly still grow I will keep watching them!





Do this, spore to lc isnt a safe route


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23730267 - 10/12/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Good to know. Why is it that brf cakes are usually ok with spore syringes then?



If you asked me a month ago I would have an answer for you. Unfortunately I forget but I have a feeling its because brf is nutrient rich?
Brf cakes are usually bacterial as fuck though dont be fooled.

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I thought LC was almost impossible to tell if its contaminated? What would be the benefit of MS to LC over MS to agar, clean it up, then turn any one of the clean cultures into however much LC you need?




Youre absolutely right. Dont fuck with LC untill after you have some clean cultures on agar... so much crap advice in one thread :facepalm3:

EDIT: Also please dont go putting h2o2 in your agar plates. Peroxide has no business being in there!


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23730298 - 10/12/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Funny, when I was growing my BRF cakes after the first flush, I even thought to myself "Yeah, I mean I guess the mycelium is still pretty healthy, but it just seems a bit off in some places." But I didn't really know, because it was my first experience with mycelium at all.

Then after the second flush while more carefully examining the cakes I was like "Oh yeah, these are bacterial." It wasn't super dark green or pink or anything but you could just tell that the mycelium was having a hard time fighting something instead of just growing more mushrooms.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23730484 - 10/12/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

*Inoculate form syringe to grain .
*Flame Sterilize Needle
*Use pillow stuffing as the filter
*Do inoculation in a still air environment
*Don't forget to sterilize the grain 90 min at 15 psi
-Also make sure to add gypsum when soaking- It makes the grain easy to shake. Easy shake = Easy colonization .
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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23730837 - 10/12/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Looks super wispy to me. Have you shook the jar yet?
10 days is really a long time and it should be colonized imo
And since they arent, probably a few reasons why..molds, bacteria etc.
Takes 3 transfers to clean a plate up according to RR

So with that in mind. Start a few plates for agar control and transfer and you will be ahead of the game with clean spawn. Those pp5 containers work slick for agar. 10 for 2 at dollar store.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MadSeasonStudent]
    #23730917 - 10/12/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That isn't cobweb (dactylium) that is some grey ass mold that wishes it could colonize as quickly as cobweb.

Oh and 6 days is nothing for germination on agar. In fact if it germinated quicker, often times it's some green ass mold that germinates quicker.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23731178 - 10/12/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I thought LC was almost impossible to tell if its contaminated? What would be the benefit of MS to LC over MS to agar, clean it up, then turn any one of the clean cultures into however much LC you need? Have you ever had any contaminated LCs?



  yes it is harder to tell if contamination is present, however the reason i suggested this is lc grows allot faster than ms saving time (since colonization time is so short i just test a sample before using a stored lc).  yes that was line of thinking, a lc can be used for agar & visa versa so you could either make agar samples until your satisfied or expand that into a lc (preference i suppose.. ima fan of lc inoculating while some love strictly working with agar).  out of about quite a few lc jars iv only experienced 2 contams. back when i was shaking jars, pretty sure i got filter disc wet.. made a stir plate & started using stir bars and iv had great luck:cool:  ...as i said above i suggested this method because it shaves some time >good luck:mushroom2:


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: sporeworker]
    #23731242 - 10/12/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ms to agar is the same rate of colonization, and it will tell you if it's truly clean. Drop the wedge into LC or make LIs. Going MS > LC is like playing roulette really. I guess if you enjoy gambling, then keep on doing it. But here in shroomery we recommend the best way to get a clean grow. Recommending MS > LC is :justno: especially when there's contaminations involved here.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23731345 - 10/12/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

fair enough.. always up to learn new things. guess iv just had really good luck this far so i havnt felt the need to change methods:grin:  have a couple dishes im playing with as well, il have to give agar>lc a shot & see the difference:wink:


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23731496 - 10/12/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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fair enough.. always up to learn new things. guess iv just had really good luck this far so i havnt felt the need to change methods:grin:  have a couple dishes im playing with as well, il have to give agar>lc a shot & see the difference :wink:



I think you have already seen the difference, all those times you had uncontaminated LC! The real difference is the odds, I think. Instead of a 1 in 10, 1 in 20, or whatever chance of getting a contaminated LC, its 0, because all your contams show up on agar and stay on agar :smile:

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That isn't cobweb (dactylium) that is some grey ass mold that wishes it could colonize as quickly as cobweb.

Oh and 6 days is nothing for germination on agar. In fact if it germinated quicker, often times it's some green ass mold that germinates quicker.



That is good to know! I was thinking it was only a few days lol, I must have been reading about transfers or something.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: MortySmith]
    #23731566 - 10/12/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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fair enough.. always up to learn new things. guess iv just had really good luck this far so i havnt felt the need to change methods:grin:  have a couple dishes im playing with as well, il have to give agar>lc a shot & see the difference :wink:




I think you have already seen the difference, all those times you had uncontaminated LC! The real difference is the odds, I think. Instead of a 1 in 10, 1 in 20, or whatever chance of getting a contaminated LC, its 0, because all your contams show up on agar and stay on agar :smile:




The difference is in the yields. There's no way to make uncontaminated LC with MS unless you do agar first.
Odds are 100% bacrerial from spore syringe.


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23731607 - 10/12/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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fair enough.. always up to learn new things. guess iv just had really good luck this far so i havnt felt the need to change methods:grin:  have a couple dishes im playing with as well, il have to give agar>lc a shot & see the difference :wink:




I think you have already seen the difference, all those times you had uncontaminated LC! The real difference is the odds, I think. Instead of a 1 in 10, 1 in 20, or whatever chance of getting a contaminated LC, its 0, because all your contams show up on agar and stay on agar :smile:




The difference is in the yields. There's no way to make uncontaminated LC with MS unless you do agar first.
Odds are 100% bacrerial from spore syringe.




So you are saying even his "uncontaminated" LC was still bacterial? And he doesn't notice because it still produces fruit, just not as much as it would if it never had to be battling that invisible bacteria throughout colonization?


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23731641 - 10/12/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The difference is in the yields. There's no way to make uncontaminated LC with MS unless you do agar first.
Odds are 100% bacrerial from spore syringe.



I can understand the benefits of agar>LC but how could odds of bacteria be 100%... How would it be possible to grow successfully if contaminated with bacteria? Also once mycelium colony is established in theory shouldn't that fight bacteria to a degree?  >>I could understand what ^Offlinemrknowitall95 sugested about energy being lost due to fighting but my samples are very clean & in addition my agar is inoculated with my LC & looks/grows great :confused:


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: sporeworker]
    #23731763 - 10/12/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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    #23731889 - 10/12/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That makes sense    learn something new all the time:thumbup:  have to use a piece of the agar i have going to try it out.. so instead of using inoculation port on lid just put in glovebox & add agar wedge if i remember correct?


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: amidogen]
    #23732282 - 10/12/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

cool!  so in theory the difference would be MS LC vs isolate LC?  -weird question once agar wedge is added to LC mix & put on stir plate does wedge "desolve" into solution?


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: amidogen]
    #23732365 - 10/12/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Im not sure if it desolves. Only done LC once and I didnt notice if it disolved or not. Im going to assume no but would also like to know for shits


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    #23732738 - 10/12/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I wondered if we were on different pages for a sec lol  once i find my extra stir bars il give it a go (im curious if it dissolves myself:grin:), think ill just use a small wedge or 2 unless theres a reason you say to add the whole puck?  use agar for additional nutrients or just more myc. to go around?  so would this be considered a isolate LC or just a different method?


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Re: Started grains and agar. Neither are going too well, advice needed. [Re: sporeworker]
    #23733179 - 10/13/16 05:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It may colonize a bit faster with a whole puck. Personally I dont like the idea of tiger dropping a whole plate into anything so I'd just use a wedge or two.


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