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Ifishhigh
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Cactus- everclear extraction?
#23726000 - 10/10/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel the everclear extraction method is very easy. If I had any complaints about it , it would be straining through a coffee filter. It gets scummed up too fast and stops flowing. I had this problem making the tea as well. Using cheese cloth once and a shirt another time . Gets clogged up. Anyhow To get back to the subject. The everclear extraction is so easy . My guestion is , IS IT EFFECTIVE ? Last time I did it this past weekend I didn't trip but had warm buzzing feel. Felt good and lasted all day. I don't know if it's weak cactus or bad extraction. Could someone shed some light on this for me. I don't want to waste money on everclear if it's not efficient. It's been hard for me to find any info on this. Here's the tek I use if anyone was wondering
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/319770-alcohol-extract-for-mescaline-cacti-made-easy/
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23726317 - 10/10/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do yourself a favor and just eat the cactus. Everyone is gonna tell you about this method for tea or that method for extraction. None of it is as efficient as just eating the cactus. Brewing or extracting... you never get all of the alkaloids. There is always some wastage or degrading of the alkaloids. Eating it is the only way to know you are getting 100% of what the cactus has to offer. Its really not that bad. Take 12 inches of potent cactus and follow the advice i gave you in the other thread. Its definitely the best way. Or so I've heard I have no firsthand knowledge.
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Grey Fox]
#23726778 - 10/10/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been getting dried cactus chips . That's why I'm asking about everclear
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23726801 - 10/10/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh my bad. If you ever get fresh bridgesii thats the way to go.
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Grey Fox]
#23726836 - 10/10/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No worries fox. Your advice is much appreciated.
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Grey Fox]
#23726842 - 10/10/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can make tea with dried things. I've only extracted it before though, I have no experience with tea but I can't imagine drinking that sludge. I'm okay losing some product if those are my choices. I think mescaline is in a salt form in the cacti, or at least will be in water, and it's pretty water soluble if I recall so I would just use that over everclear. It depends how much you're extracting though, if it's a small amount then everclear will probably be more efficient. If a large amount I'm thinking mostly in terms of the cost of the everclear. I'm not sure if you can filter cacti on a practical level, you might be better off using excess solvent and decanting it. I think it's very stable so you could extract it into a bunch of water and then boil it down to a workable amount. I've worked with it before and I can't imagine filtering it.
If your extraction is not thorough then you just didn't extract it well enough. You can extract the full range of alkaloids, and all of them, if done right. It is time consuming but definitely worth it to simply throw down a pill capsule of salt or swish down some kool aid or w/e.
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: krypto2000]
#23727180 - 10/11/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: You can make tea with dried things. I've only extracted it before though, I have no experience with tea but I can't imagine drinking that sludge. I'm okay losing some product if those are my choices. I think mescaline is in a salt form in the cacti, or at least will be in water, and it's pretty water soluble if I recall so I would just use that over everclear. It depends how much you're extracting though, if it's a small amount then everclear will probably be more efficient. If a large amount I'm thinking mostly in terms of the cost of the everclear. I'm not sure if you can filter cacti on a practical level, you might be better off using excess solvent and decanting it. I think it's very stable so you could extract it into a bunch of water and then boil it down to a workable amount. I've worked with it before and I can't imagine filtering it.
If your extraction is not thorough then you just didn't extract it well enough. You can extract the full range of alkaloids, and all of them, if done right. It is time consuming but definitely worth it to simply throw down a pill capsule of salt or swish down some kool aid or w/e.
So what do you do for extraction?
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23727233 - 10/11/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The reason you use alcohol even though solubility is worse is that alcohol will not cause the cells to expand and turn to sludge. Start with pulverized dry material and you can keep the volume down so that it's much easier and manageable that way. Putting it in a jar and doing a warm bath for a few minutes on each pull helps extract the goods with that lower solubility. Let it vent and don't get it so hot it boils for safety of course. After the third or fourth alcohol pull I do a single water pull at the end with some added acid, just a quick hour boil then soak, then strain and toss the material. If you powderize then soak in water, you will have a thick sludgey mess that is really hard to strain and you won't get as many pulls. I wouldn't use everclear, that shit is expensive, ISO works fine and evaporates clean.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (10/11/16 12:33 AM)
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23727533 - 10/11/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ifishhigh said: I feel the everclear extraction method is very easy. If I had any complaints about it , it would be straining through a coffee filter. It gets scummed up too fast and stops flowing. I had this problem making the tea as well. Using cheese cloth once and a shirt another time . Gets clogged up. Anyhow To get back to the subject. The everclear extraction is so easy . My guestion is , IS IT EFFECTIVE ? Last time I did it this past weekend I didn't trip but had warm buzzing feel. Felt good and lasted all day. I don't know if it's weak cactus or bad extraction. Could someone shed some light on this for me. I don't want to waste money on everclear if it's not efficient. It's been hard for me to find any info on this. Here's the tek I use if anyone was wondering
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/319770-alcohol-extract-for-mescaline-cacti-made-easy/
Make sure that the alcohol you use is 70% strong. Why straining? Use sedimentation method.
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Ifishhigh said:
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krypto2000 said: You can make tea with dried things. I've only extracted it before though, I have no experience with tea but I can't imagine drinking that sludge. I'm okay losing some product if those are my choices. I think mescaline is in a salt form in the cacti, or at least will be in water, and it's pretty water soluble if I recall so I would just use that over everclear. It depends how much you're extracting though, if it's a small amount then everclear will probably be more efficient. If a large amount I'm thinking mostly in terms of the cost of the everclear. I'm not sure if you can filter cacti on a practical level, you might be better off using excess solvent and decanting it. I think it's very stable so you could extract it into a bunch of water and then boil it down to a workable amount. I've worked with it before and I can't imagine filtering it.
If your extraction is not thorough then you just didn't extract it well enough. You can extract the full range of alkaloids, and all of them, if done right. It is time consuming but definitely worth it to simply throw down a pill capsule of salt or swish down some kool aid or w/e.
So what do you do for extraction?
Well I haven't done it in many years but when I did I just mixed the cacti, water, and non polar all together and didn't try to separate the water from the solid material. I would try to find a better way these days though.
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P.Zappatecorum said: The reason you use alcohol even though solubility is worse is that alcohol will not cause the cells to expand and turn to sludge. Start with pulverized dry material and you can keep the volume down so that it's much easier and manageable that way. Putting it in a jar and doing a warm bath for a few minutes on each pull helps extract the goods with that lower solubility. Let it vent and don't get it so hot it boils for safety of course. After the third or fourth alcohol pull I do a single water pull at the end with some added acid, just a quick hour boil then soak, then strain and toss the material. If you powderize then soak in water, you will have a thick sludgey mess that is really hard to strain and you won't get as many pulls. I wouldn't use everclear, that shit is expensive, ISO works fine and evaporates clean. 
That's a good point, consider this guys advice. Also 91-99% iso might be better for you since it's easier to evaporate and if not taken into the cells as said above then the less water the better. So are you saying it's feasable to strain an alcohol extraction zappa?
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: krypto2000]
#23727836 - 10/11/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, I use 93% ISO and it's very easy to drain, the grains of ground cactus plump up just a tiny bit and they're still kind of hard. You get nice black pulls from it still though, the last acidic water pull is for the really stubborn last little bit and it is usually still only a medium green color. The alcohol works great. I just leave the stuff in the jar for a day each pull, doing a warm bath just after adding and before straining. I find that to be much less work and less messy than slaving over the stove making some kind of noxious brew. My wife would kill me if if I made the house smell like a witch doctor's hut.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (10/11/16 10:00 AM)
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Cool, thanks for the tip. It might be worth druing the iso if it works that well, though maybe it's not necessary as well. You can salt it out with regular table salt to get ~99% isopropyl, it will separate into 2 layers once the water is saturated and the iso will rise to the top.
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: krypto2000]
#23727978 - 10/11/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's interesting! I think the tiny bit of water in 93% probably helps make the mescaline more soluble though.
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23728020 - 10/11/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ifishhigh said: I feel the everclear extraction method is very easy. If I had any complaints about it , it would be straining through a coffee filter. It gets scummed up too fast and stops flowing. I had this problem making the tea as well. Using cheese cloth once and a shirt another time . Gets clogged up. Anyhow To get back to the subject. The everclear extraction is so easy . My guestion is , IS IT EFFECTIVE ? Last time I did it this past weekend I didn't trip but had warm buzzing feel. Felt good and lasted all day. I don't know if it's weak cactus or bad extraction. Could someone shed some light on this for me. I don't want to waste money on everclear if it's not efficient. It's been hard for me to find any info on this. Here's the tek I use if anyone was wondering
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/319770-alcohol-extract-for-mescaline-cacti-made-easy/
Yes it works, how many pulls did you do? How many grams did you extract?
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: qman]
#23728446 - 10/11/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ifishhigh said: I feel the everclear extraction method is very easy. If I had any complaints about it , it would be straining through a coffee filter. It gets scummed up too fast and stops flowing. I had this problem making the tea as well. Using cheese cloth once and a shirt another time . Gets clogged up. Anyhow To get back to the subject. The everclear extraction is so easy . My guestion is , IS IT EFFECTIVE ? Last time I did it this past weekend I didn't trip but had warm buzzing feel. Felt good and lasted all day. I don't know if it's weak cactus or bad extraction. Could someone shed some light on this for me. I don't want to waste money on everclear if it's not efficient. It's been hard for me to find any info on this. Here's the tek I use if anyone was wondering
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/319770-alcohol-extract-for-mescaline-cacti-made-easy/
Yes it works, how many pulls did you do? How many grams did you extract?
I only did 2 pulls. Reason being the second pull didn't get dark like the first pull. I used 5ograms.
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23728662 - 10/11/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I did an iso extraction instead of the everclear, can someone tell me what the difference in the end product would be ? Will it be the same stuff at the end ?
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23728767 - 10/11/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The end of what? Are you stopping at the alcohol extraction or doing an a/b after that? If an a/b it will be the same as long as you did a thorough extraction. With just the alcohol extraction there will be slight differences between the extract, but again if you do a thorough enough extraction you should pull all of the alkaloids either way.
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23728780 - 10/11/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ifishhigh said: If I did an iso extraction instead of the everclear, can someone tell me what the difference in the end product would be ? Will it be the same stuff at the end ?
Same stuff, it's just a matter of cost. Alcohol tar is really greasy and sticky though, I recommend doing one water pull with some vinegar or citric acid and mixing that in with your alcohol pulls, the acid will create a harder, less sticky tar, though it will be ever so slightly less pure, but it's a million times easier to swallow.
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I strongly recommend using 70% alcohol. It extracts better than at any other concentration. When I used 100% ISo it resulted in a completely bunk extract.
I got the idea of using 70% from reading labels on herbal extract food supplements - it always says "extracted with 70% ethanol". I thought to give it a try and I wasn't disappointed!
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Re: Cactus- everclear extraction? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#23730332 - 10/12/16 06:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ive wasted so much time on cactus - not even worth it. Everclear works, or stonger solvents but legit IMO better to just find peyote buttons.
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