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Best Shroom Extraction Method?
#23724148 - 10/10/16 02:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi guys i want to make psilocybin tincture.
I read many different methods but there is alot of contradicting information.
I feel like the simplest way is to use ethanol extraction and evaporate to volume. Then simply consume resulting liquid (probably mixed with drink). This will NOT yield pure psilocybin/psilocin but at least the loss would be minimal and the impurities shouldn't have a noticeable impact on the trip. Is this correct?
Also, how is the stability of such a liquid? Would it stay potent for months as long as kept in small bottles in cool dark place?
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: herrenvolk]
#23724158 - 10/10/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Following this thread. Also want to know.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: TheGoat]
#23724170 - 10/10/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will link you guys a video which explains a lot about a similar method. BRB
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: FeedYerHead]
#23724185 - 10/10/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Iight guys. Here ya go. https://youtu.be/H00mmYD8ZtQ
Im thinking about doing this when im up to 10g of copes
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: FeedYerHead] 1
#23724207 - 10/10/16 03:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The problem with tinctures is that they greatly increase the alkaloids' exposure to oxygen, allowing them to oxidize at a much higher rate.
This means that any extraction of psilocin and psilocybin will always degrade much more quickly than dried mushroom material. Whether or not this will be a problem depends on a number of factors including the method of storage and the length of time you intend to store the tincture. I don't think you will find a definitive answer on the shelf life of your particular tincture in your particular storage method, but if you're willing to try it there are some things you can do to extend it.
The easiest is to keep the tincture in an oxygen tight container. This along with storing it in as cold a place as possible will help a lot, but you can further extend the shelf life by eliminating oxygen from the container in which your tincture is stored. The cheapest way to do this is to replace it with carbon dioxide every time you use the tincture, before you put it back in storage. Carbon dioxide can be purchased in the form of dry ice, or quickly and easily produced at home with something like vinegar and baking soda. The carbon dioxide is much heavier than oxygen and an easily be poured into the container, displacing the oxygen.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: healing]
#23724215 - 10/10/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great tip mane! Thank you.
You should watch the video and tell me what you think about the method used. Its 20 min, but you can skim threw some.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: herrenvolk]
#23724262 - 10/10/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The herrenvolk shot my grandpa in his foot when he came back from Drente with food for his family.
Anyway why would you do this to mushrooms? Eat 'em, dry 'em, put 'em in the tea.. I don't see the use of extraction.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: Turtletotem]
#23724279 - 10/10/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Easier dosing, also a lot of people get nauseous from other ROA. Sometimes going threw the effort to proceed the extraction, will make dosing moar convenient in the long run.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: FeedYerHead]
#23726203 - 10/10/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've put some to everclear 24hrs in a sealed jar, shaken every so often, then evaped in pyrex in front of a flow hood.
We went for a goo consistency, so total evaporation. After scraping the remains and some fractions to guess a rough test dose we calculated a dose some ridiculous small fraction of a gram.
The process was very easy. The most annoying part was handling the result which is oily sort of like reclaim from weed concentrates. But could be used in capsule or a number of other ways.
Mine is stored in wax paper in a Tupperware in the fridge.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: filthyknees]
#23726485 - 10/10/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can do an ethanol/alcohol extraction and get a very mushroomy flavoured liquid, if you dry it completely you will have a very hygroscopic crystaline mass about 1/4 the weight of your original product. This will oxidize quickly and take on moisture if left exposed to air. If stored in alcohol with some ascorbic acid and/or converted to a salt and kept in the freezer it will last indefinitely. If will probably last as long as you want it at room temperature as well, but it will grow mold and bacteria without enough alcohol in it.
If you want to further refine it you can do an a/b extraction like mescaline or dmt. That will result in a relatively pure product (>50%). To get >95% pure you would then have to recrystallize or chromatograph it, both of which could be done at home, but the former is likely more accessible if you don't know what I'm talking about.
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filthyknees said: I've put some to everclear 24hrs in a sealed jar, shaken every so often, then evaped in pyrex in front of a flow hood.
We went for a goo consistency, so total evaporation. After scraping the remains and some fractions to guess a rough test dose we calculated a dose some ridiculous small fraction of a gram.
The process was very easy. The most annoying part was handling the result which is oily sort of like reclaim from weed concentrates. But could be used in capsule or a number of other ways.
Mine is stored in wax paper in a Tupperware in the fridge.
If you stick it in the oven you should be able to dry it out completely which will be a sticky crystalline mass, mostly sugars I believe. At low heat it should be stable enough. I would not store it this way though as even in gel caps it will lose potency significantly over a period of weeks.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23727342 - 10/11/16 02:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ty krypto, any details for duration? Guessing 170*F for two - four hours??
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: filthyknees]
#23727641 - 10/11/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You mean to dry the extract? I'm not sure as I haven't done it myself. I've dried it in a vacuum chamber and it took only a few minutes probably, from the point in which it were a sticky goop. I would think less than an hour, but be sure to check on it frequently as it will decompose. I would also suggest, while you still have it in solution, to add an acid and convert it to a salt so that it will be more stable (citric acid, ascorbic, tartrate, etc).
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23727746 - 10/11/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Will that (citric acid, ect) make the goo more taffy like? And in what quantity?
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: filthyknees]
#23727871 - 10/11/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The amount would depend upon the salt and alkaloid content. Citric acid for instance is about 67% of the mass as psilocybin, the heavier of the two alkaloids. You want to add them at an equimolar ratio so for every 100mg of psilocybin you would add 67mg of citric acid. Cubensis ideally will contain maybe 1.2% alkaloids so figure 10mg of actives per gram so 6.7mg of citric acid per gram of mushroom. You can look up w/e acid you are using and work out the amount required based on its molecular weight but it's also fine to overshoot it too as it's not going to hurt anything. The acid will likely not change the consistency of the goo much unless you were to add a lot, but yes, I'd imagine whatever impact it had would be to harden it up. Some acids such as tartaric acid will bind to two molecules of psilocybin for every molecule of tartaric acid so you would use 1 mole of tartaric for every 2 moles of psilocybin. As I said though if you don't want to figure all that out just throw in >10mg of w/e acid for every g of cubensis and not worry about it.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23733376 - 10/13/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi. I am about 1 week away from doing this and will report my findings and results.
My significant other and I can't tolerate full mushrooms very well. She vomits multiple times and I end up spending the whole time clutching my abdomen and complaining about how great things would be if it wasn't for the bad stomach cramps. Extraction seems like a great way to get the benefits with none of the negative physical side effects. Honestly, even if 50% potency is lost, I would be ok with that and just take twice the amount of extract.
I'm going the ethanol route. Everclear (95% ethanol) isn't available here, so I'm distilling potato vodka until I can get as close to 95% as possible. I'll be heating and stirring the alcohol/mushroom slurry using a heated magnetic stirrer (like the one in the attached pic), heating and stirring for a couple of hours several times over a 24 hour period. I will use consistent temperature and time to keep variables down. PF's own extraction tek suggests boiling for several hours, so I'm not scared of using heat. He also warns to use a double boiler and stir often to avoid sticking. I'm hoping the magnetic stirrer will suffice.
I'll be double filtering through dust masks (as per PF's extraction tek) while the slurry is hot, rather than coffee filters (or cotton, as one person on this forum has used) to avoid getting the floating scum issue. I will perform three (possibly four – why not?) total extractions on the mushroom matter before setting it aside to dry again (just in case the extraction fails for some reason – I don't want to waste it).
I will be reducing the extract via evaporation in a beaker on the heated magnetic stirrer in order to try to keep precipitate from forming (this time without heat), at least until measured out evenly into dose-appropriate dropper bottles, which will go into the freezer.
I'm really looking forward to this experiment. I'll post my experience. I consume mushrooms very infrequently (once every two years or so to help combat social anxiety), so it will be hard for me to determine with much precision just how well the extraction has worked, but I will certainly do my best.
Any comments/corrections on the above are most welcome.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: barada42]
#23733454 - 10/13/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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24 hours is overkill, I'd do an hour or less. In 1 hour you should get the majority of the actives and with 3+ extractions you'll only leave a negligable amount behind.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23736185 - 10/14/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: 24 hours is overkill, I'd do an hour or less. In 1 hour you should get the majority of the actives and with 3+ extractions you'll only leave a negligable amount behind.
Thanks. Do you have any source I can look at for this? PF's tek says "several hours", Willy Myco says 24 hours for first wash, and other teks indicate a soak of up to three days.
I guess I could set some aside and do a bioassay with the shorter extraction. It would be great to know just how long it takes for sure.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: barada42]
#23736211 - 10/14/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know one guy who moonshines, I was going to use his stuff instead of everclear to extract for cost reasons.
But as I found out only about a pint (out of a large volume) is above 95% soooo it's unusable for my purposes.
Wanted to mention that in case most of the alc you brew is unusable, unless it's all above 95%
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: barada42]
#23736580 - 10/14/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: 24 hours is overkill, I'd do an hour or less. In 1 hour you should get the majority of the actives and with 3+ extractions you'll only leave a negligable amount behind.
Thanks. Do you have any source I can look at for this? PF's tek says "several hours", Willy Myco says 24 hours for first wash, and other teks indicate a soak of up to three days.
I guess I could set some aside and do a bioassay with the shorter extraction. It would be great to know just how long it takes for sure.
Not really. There's a reference on erowid where they do an a/b extraction into some acidic water which takes about an hour and they get a good yield, also basing it on personal experience from doing extractions and making tea. Psilocybin is *very* water soluble so it will come out pretty quickly. Have you ever made tea? If so you'd know how efficient it is.
Below is the best source I can find for the solubility of the two compounds. I would use 60-70% ethanol maybe, 95% would not be very efficient. Really water is great alone but it's harder to reduce is the only thing. If you're using high proof alcohol more time may be required as you suggest but it's because it's a poor solvent choice if there's no water.
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Psychedelic_Compounds_Chemical_and_Physical_Properties#Psilocybin
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23739044 - 10/15/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whats the difference between using ethanol vs. water for this extraction? Will 151proof (75% ABV) do fine?
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: herrenvolk]
#23739357 - 10/15/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah I don't think so. That's why the everclear is used, because it's 95%.
Someone tell me if I'm wrong but please make sure you know before you start or you may waste all your material
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: filthyknees]
#23739687 - 10/15/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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damn it. Just found out 190Proof Everclear is prohibited in my state.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: herrenvolk]
#23739896 - 10/15/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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herrenvolk said: Whats the difference between using ethanol vs. water for this extraction? Will 151proof (75% ABV) do fine?
The different alkaloids (psilocin and psilocybin) have differing solubility rates. Water is a better solvent here really since you will probably mostly be working with psilocybin, it's just not good for long term storage because it will mold and it's more difficult to evaporate off. I would use a 70% ethanol solution as I said though, 95% is a poor choice due to the solubility rates, particularly for psilocybin. The only problem with 151 is that it has added spices and sugars so your extract will of course contain those as well.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23740271 - 10/15/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah it looks like 151proof everclear is my only choice. Its pure grain alchohol and its supposed to be "neutral spirit" I doubt it has too much additives. By ABV, Everclear 151 Proof would be just about 75% ethanol. I hope this is enough. Wondering if the 25% water might cause psilocybin to degrade over time..
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: herrenvolk]
#23740458 - 10/15/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh, everclear 151 should be clean, I was thinking "151" rum.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: Turtletotem]
#23742365 - 10/16/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: The herrenvolk shot my grandpa in his foot when he came back from Drente with food for his family.
Anyway why would you do this to mushrooms? Eat 'em, dry 'em, put 'em in the tea.. I don't see the use of extraction.
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I'll have to find it again, but there was an experiment done comparing methanol, ethanol, water, etc. at different levels, and it was found that methanol was the clear winner, but ethanol and water were a close second. High proof ethanol (180 proof Everclear) was found to be LEAST effective. The most efficiency for ethanol was found to be around 80% (160 proof), which is not only great news for people who can't get the high proof Everclear, it's also great for home distillers.
I used a pot still that was around $100 (from Amazon) to distill potato vodka and before the distillate started to get too watery, I stopped and had 82% (164 proof) alcohol (measured in a graduated cyl w/ spirits hydrometer). As soon as I get the time, I'm ready to give the extraction a go.
To those who keep saying, "Why bother? Just eat them," I have to repeat that some of us spend hours after eating them clutching our guts with severe cramps, which sabotages the experience. Also, those who have tried the extract say it is the "cleanest" way of experiencing the benefits without the physical downside.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: barada42]
#23786111 - 10/30/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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extractions are fun, but they waste a ton of product
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: omnifarious]
#23786271 - 10/30/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's not quite true, it entirely depends upon the thoroughness of the extraction. It's not difficult to get >90% of the total alkaloids if you do enough pulls and are careful not to cause degradation to the target compound. If you also consider the bioavailabilty of the raw alkaloids vs those held within the material as well as that reducing the likelihood to vomit will end up with more total alkaloids utilized you may in fact be more conservative by extraction. I don't know if those later points work out in practice, but I am not convinced that extractions are inefficient.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23786343 - 10/30/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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People perform successful extractions all the time with water, and most people report negligible loss of alkaloids.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: healing]
#23938017 - 12/18/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The easiest is to keep the tincture in an oxygen tight container. This along with storing it in as cold a place as possible will help a lot, but you can further extend the shelf life by eliminating oxygen from the container in which your tincture is stored. The cheapest way to do this is to replace it with carbon dioxide every time you use the tincture, before you put it back in storage.
Even easier is to use nitrogen, an inert gas that makes up 80% of the air we breathe. Inexpensive cans of compressed nitrogen gas are found in better wine shops. It's used to replace the air in an opened wine bottle to keep the wine from degrading. Just spray a little in the top of an open bottle and put on the cap.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: MrPaulCaruso]
#23954488 - 12/24/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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What about extraction using methanol, drying in a distillation setup and then placing the extract into honey?
Just throwing out ideas to help preserve the material
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I don't see why that wouldn't work but how would you get it infused evenly in the honey?
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23954680 - 12/24/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tumble at above ambient temperature.
Put under nitrogen or vacuum, heat gently with a stir bar for above 1 hr
Depends on capabilities.
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The product may be soluble in MCT oil which can be purchased at a health food stores. Its basically room temp coconut oil. Should be easy to distribute evenly with some agitation.
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Highzenbergfungi said: Tumble at above ambient temperature.
Put under nitrogen or vacuum, heat gently with a stir bar for above 1 hr
Depends on capabilities.
Heating might work but tunbling alone I don't think would do it. A methanol extract would be a sticky goop or if fully dried a very hygroscopic crystaline mass. I'd imagine some would dissolve and diffuse, but I can't see it evenly being dispersed bc the honey is so thick. Heat and agitation could probably do it though, you're right, at least with some patience if not readily.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23976278 - 01/02/17 02:00 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Hm, I tried ethanol extraction once, stored the product in an airtight bottle and after a few days, the tincture turned pitchblack and was ineffective. I suppose, one should consume it right after extraction is done. Any other ideas on that?
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: DerPda]
#23977185 - 01/02/17 08:00 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Have you tried putting some abscorbic acid in there to prevent oxidation? Mine lasts at least a month or two, not sure how long though.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23978026 - 01/03/17 05:59 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Nope, did not try that, good point though. I will try this next time
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: DerPda]
#23978032 - 01/03/17 06:09 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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You don't need to use high-proof ethanol for extracting psilocybin/psilocin. It's completely water soluble, why else would we make tea? I use distilled water and it works fine.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: Tiamo]
#23978106 - 01/03/17 07:39 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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You want at least 20-30% if you're storing it though to protect against pathogens.
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Tiamo
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23978158 - 01/03/17 08:31 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Yes, that would be a good idea for long term storage indeed.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: Tiamo]
#23978252 - 01/03/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Tiamo do you just make tea or do you do a proper extraction using water
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: sbc1]
#23978347 - 01/03/17 10:12 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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I do an extraction, I cover the shroom powder with just enough distilled water and shake for a bit. Then I bring that to a boil for ~15 minutes and strain. This helps reduce the water content and also brings out the actives. I usually have around 10 mL for about 2.5-3 grams. (after boiling) I immediately consume it so there's no need for any alcohol in there.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: Tiamo]
#23978403 - 01/03/17 10:35 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Would there be any benefit to doing an acetone wash before using ethanol? I was reading that psilocybin isn't soluble in acetone so it might pull out some of the other ingredients? Just a random thought. I have absolutely no background in chemistry just been reading things on the internet.
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You'd just be taking out some organic chemicals, but I mean why does it matter? Doesn't affect anything.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: Tiamo]
#23978654 - 01/03/17 12:06 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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True. I forgot this thread was just about the best extraction. I was reading some threads about the most pure extractions and brought that idea over here
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Where did you read that psilocybin is not soluble in acetone? I would expect both psilocin and psilocybin to be.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23979052 - 01/03/17 02:44 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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It wasn't any sort of credible sources but I think I read it a few times a few different threads/websites
Edit: did some quick looking found a PDF stating psilocybin and psilocin are soluble in acetone. One soluble the other slightly soluble. Found the old thread I was reading and he was talking about adding hcl to make it a psilocybin hcl salt which is supposed to be insoluble in acetone.
Either way I plan on picking up some everclear soon and trying this out at least. We have a nitrogen machine at work would it be best to fill up a balloon and then displace the air in the jar/container as best as I can?
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The reason for using ethanols is their boiling temp. If the end goal is a "solid" extract, boiling under vacuum using heat is easily done using alcohols because of their boiling point. Methanol is a better solvent though. It pulls a more complete profile when its anhydrous.
The small amount of heat is to move the honey so that as it spins it slowly separates the mass of extract. Like making taffy. Think, a hot dog rotator you see at 7/11, not the same amount of heat and certainly not radiant light heat.
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