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filthyknees
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: herrenvolk]
#23739357 - 10/15/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah I don't think so. That's why the everclear is used, because it's 95%.
Someone tell me if I'm wrong but please make sure you know before you start or you may waste all your material
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: filthyknees]
#23739687 - 10/15/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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damn it. Just found out 190Proof Everclear is prohibited in my state.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: herrenvolk]
#23739896 - 10/15/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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herrenvolk said: Whats the difference between using ethanol vs. water for this extraction? Will 151proof (75% ABV) do fine?
The different alkaloids (psilocin and psilocybin) have differing solubility rates. Water is a better solvent here really since you will probably mostly be working with psilocybin, it's just not good for long term storage because it will mold and it's more difficult to evaporate off. I would use a 70% ethanol solution as I said though, 95% is a poor choice due to the solubility rates, particularly for psilocybin. The only problem with 151 is that it has added spices and sugars so your extract will of course contain those as well.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23740271 - 10/15/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah it looks like 151proof everclear is my only choice. Its pure grain alchohol and its supposed to be "neutral spirit" I doubt it has too much additives. By ABV, Everclear 151 Proof would be just about 75% ethanol. I hope this is enough. Wondering if the 25% water might cause psilocybin to degrade over time..
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: herrenvolk]
#23740458 - 10/15/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh, everclear 151 should be clean, I was thinking "151" rum.
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JesusDaMartian
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: Turtletotem]
#23742365 - 10/16/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: The herrenvolk shot my grandpa in his foot when he came back from Drente with food for his family.
Anyway why would you do this to mushrooms? Eat 'em, dry 'em, put 'em in the tea.. I don't see the use of extraction.
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barada42
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I'll have to find it again, but there was an experiment done comparing methanol, ethanol, water, etc. at different levels, and it was found that methanol was the clear winner, but ethanol and water were a close second. High proof ethanol (180 proof Everclear) was found to be LEAST effective. The most efficiency for ethanol was found to be around 80% (160 proof), which is not only great news for people who can't get the high proof Everclear, it's also great for home distillers.
I used a pot still that was around $100 (from Amazon) to distill potato vodka and before the distillate started to get too watery, I stopped and had 82% (164 proof) alcohol (measured in a graduated cyl w/ spirits hydrometer). As soon as I get the time, I'm ready to give the extraction a go.
To those who keep saying, "Why bother? Just eat them," I have to repeat that some of us spend hours after eating them clutching our guts with severe cramps, which sabotages the experience. Also, those who have tried the extract say it is the "cleanest" way of experiencing the benefits without the physical downside.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: barada42]
#23786111 - 10/30/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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extractions are fun, but they waste a ton of product
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krypto2000
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: omnifarious]
#23786271 - 10/30/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's not quite true, it entirely depends upon the thoroughness of the extraction. It's not difficult to get >90% of the total alkaloids if you do enough pulls and are careful not to cause degradation to the target compound. If you also consider the bioavailabilty of the raw alkaloids vs those held within the material as well as that reducing the likelihood to vomit will end up with more total alkaloids utilized you may in fact be more conservative by extraction. I don't know if those later points work out in practice, but I am not convinced that extractions are inefficient.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23786343 - 10/30/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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People perform successful extractions all the time with water, and most people report negligible loss of alkaloids.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: healing]
#23938017 - 12/18/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The easiest is to keep the tincture in an oxygen tight container. This along with storing it in as cold a place as possible will help a lot, but you can further extend the shelf life by eliminating oxygen from the container in which your tincture is stored. The cheapest way to do this is to replace it with carbon dioxide every time you use the tincture, before you put it back in storage.
Even easier is to use nitrogen, an inert gas that makes up 80% of the air we breathe. Inexpensive cans of compressed nitrogen gas are found in better wine shops. It's used to replace the air in an opened wine bottle to keep the wine from degrading. Just spray a little in the top of an open bottle and put on the cap.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: MrPaulCaruso]
#23954488 - 12/24/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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What about extraction using methanol, drying in a distillation setup and then placing the extract into honey?
Just throwing out ideas to help preserve the material
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krypto2000
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I don't see why that wouldn't work but how would you get it infused evenly in the honey?
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23954680 - 12/24/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tumble at above ambient temperature.
Put under nitrogen or vacuum, heat gently with a stir bar for above 1 hr
Depends on capabilities.
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Highzenbergfungi
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The product may be soluble in MCT oil which can be purchased at a health food stores. Its basically room temp coconut oil. Should be easy to distribute evenly with some agitation.
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krypto2000
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Highzenbergfungi said: Tumble at above ambient temperature.
Put under nitrogen or vacuum, heat gently with a stir bar for above 1 hr
Depends on capabilities.
Heating might work but tunbling alone I don't think would do it. A methanol extract would be a sticky goop or if fully dried a very hygroscopic crystaline mass. I'd imagine some would dissolve and diffuse, but I can't see it evenly being dispersed bc the honey is so thick. Heat and agitation could probably do it though, you're right, at least with some patience if not readily.
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23976278 - 01/02/17 02:00 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Hm, I tried ethanol extraction once, stored the product in an airtight bottle and after a few days, the tincture turned pitchblack and was ineffective. I suppose, one should consume it right after extraction is done. Any other ideas on that?
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: DerPda]
#23977185 - 01/02/17 08:00 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Have you tried putting some abscorbic acid in there to prevent oxidation? Mine lasts at least a month or two, not sure how long though.
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DerPda
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: krypto2000]
#23978026 - 01/03/17 05:59 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Nope, did not try that, good point though. I will try this next time
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Re: Best Shroom Extraction Method? [Re: DerPda]
#23978032 - 01/03/17 06:09 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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You don't need to use high-proof ethanol for extracting psilocybin/psilocin. It's completely water soluble, why else would we make tea? I use distilled water and it works fine.
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