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DjKimZ
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What am I doing wrong?
#23724061 - 10/10/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So its been well over a month since I put my over taking rye grain into my compost. I kind of rushed that and did not thoroughly mix being scares i'd lose the myc. I have seen some growth but still no pins. Ive kept the bag in a bucket above a heating pad with wet towels for moisture but its very cold here at night time (japan). Ive tried putting it almost in a window sill for light. Ive tried keeping it cold to "induce pinning" but still nothing. (I know you are supposed to be patient which is not my strong point) but honestly What should I do!!
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DjKimZ
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Re: What am I doing wrong? [Re: DjKimZ]
#23724076 - 10/10/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ive also took the bag out and opened it/ gave it air twice a day. even tried putting a black hoodie around the bucket with zero light for a week. no difference so then gave it room light/indirect sunlight... not much of a difference.
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Re: What am I doing wrong? [Re: DjKimZ]
#23724077 - 10/10/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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First of all the bags are not fully colonized and after a month they probably are fucked... Second you didnt mix enough as you can see the myc is unevenly colonizing mostly around the outside.... if its colder the say 55 degrees then ya keeping it warm is ok but pretty much 55-80 °f is fine ... too be honest you may have to start over did you make your own grain or ordered everything pre made?
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DjKimZ
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everything pre made.. its been awhile what if I just mixed the entire bag up now?
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Re: What am I doing wrong? [Re: DjKimZ]
#23724089 - 10/10/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DjKimZ said: ive also took the bag out and opened it/ gave it air twice a day. even tried putting a black hoodie around the bucket with zero light for a week. no difference so then gave it room light/indirect sunlight... not much of a difference.
Check this link out this is how a bag should look https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13696342 .... also you could break it up and mix it around but being that it was opened you probably got mold spores which will definitely show up ... are you not able to buy grain and get coco coir and spores a pressure cooker and everything you need ? Buying pre made shit may work but is not prefferred for good results check out pf tek and brf cakes if you cant do bulk grows it will give you better results and make you much happier
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DjKimZ
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this was an ez gro kit. everything un opened and sanitized. drop the swab in the grain shake. takes over the grain wait until fully white then break up clumps and pour into compost bag (clean) mix. then wait.
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Re: What am I doing wrong? [Re: DjKimZ]
#23724106 - 10/10/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes i understand, its the same as doing it yourself... but you didnt mix up the bags well enough or there wasnt enough grain or the bag of substrate was too wet or too dry... it wasnt fully colonized so you opening the bag let in all kinds of nasties to take hold and germinate ... if possible get a spore syringe read up on agar and go from there either do brf cakes and do thirty in a tub to get enough shrooms for a year, or do bulk and get enough for however long you want ... your bag is probably no good and will need to be tossed ... it wasnt ready to fruit, being the whole bag wasnt colonized being totally white
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DjKimZ
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Re: What am I doing wrong? [Re: DjKimZ]
#23724112 - 10/10/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just broke it up and mixed it around, it felt like he entire top part was hard but the bottom was all soft compost
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Re: What am I doing wrong? [Re: DjKimZ]
#23724117 - 10/10/16 01:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well good luck ... i would order a syringe or atleast another few bags of shit while you wait you really should look into a few other options...
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DjKimZ
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yeah man.... its tough (because I live in Japan) but If you have a link with literally a step by step guide of all the materials I need (aka pressure cooker and jars etc) so I guess I could order offline Id really just like to do a bulk grow and not spend 160 bucks a pop on a grow bag that only flushes 3 times tops
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Re: What am I doing wrong? [Re: DjKimZ]
#23724127 - 10/10/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well ordering that shit is always overpriced ... you cant buy a pressure cooker or canning jars in japan? Goto a sponsor for those items you need for microscopy needs agar agar can be bought there in japan im sure if not order it off amazon coco coir or horse shit im sure can be found there if not order it and there are memebers with links in their sigs to help with getting started... im sorry to say tho that this grow will 99% be a fail but shit happens ive literally gone minths with failures before getting shit down and still have a ling ways to go
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Re: What am I doing wrong? [Re: DjKimZ]
#23724132 - 10/10/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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People think kits are a good way to learn, but unfortunately the people selling kits are a lot better at selling kits than teaching people to grow! Hell, the way they see it, it's counterproductive to actually teach you how, because then you would realize what a ripoff kits are 
People who learn from kit instructions or marketing materials often spend months/years having to un-learn everything they wanted to believe about their initial investment
160$ is enough to stock a whole bulk operation, every single piece of equipment, to grow all the fungus you want, as many times as you want. But kit makers would rather have you thinking 160$=a 3 flush bag. Mushroom cultivation is dirt cheap, especially if you learn the basics from people who don't have a financial incentive in keeping you dependent on them
Here is where I'd recommend starting, bodhi's sig: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=22174365&page=0&vc=1#22174365
In the meantime, do yourself a favor and throw that rotten bag away lol... No sense in watching it rot, focus on starting a project that will have a chance to succeed. Set yourself up for success you know? People get attached to their first projects/cakes/bags etc, but the sooner you throw it out and start learning proper teks, the sooner you will have success
The main problem is that kits suck regardless. You want to inoculate substrate as soon after sterilizing as possible, because all that time between the kit makers pressure cooker and you is time for bacteria to recover and become established. After a few weeks your "swab" doesn't stand a chance, no matter how well you follow their directions.
And Japan is great for these supplies!! I actually made a thread recently about all the great supplies at asian stores haha...https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23561077/page/2
It's actually very simple, basic stuff you need: pressure cooker, jars, brown rice flour, any grain or bird seed, rubbing alcohol, plastic totes, coconut coir, etc. that's all you need to grow mountains of shrooms
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DjKimZ
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Re: What am I doing wrong? [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23724140 - 10/10/16 01:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you so much (It looks like I will be doing some studying and hopefully starting a winter project!l
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Re: What am I doing wrong? [Re: DjKimZ]
#23724150 - 10/10/16 02:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anytime my friend 
Also, here is franks "how I get shit done", many people consider this to be a great primer, definitely a great resource. A lot of us reference it even when doing things we have done a hundred times before, and many people have gone from zero knowledge to bulk harvest off this thread (and its links) alone
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163
Here is a link from his guide, "12 steps from spores to shrooms", it's exactly what you should do
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837
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Edited by c10h12n2o (10/10/16 02:15 AM)
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