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Ezuma
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Moonshoe said: I was taught many absolute lies in school.
I was sent to two crazy religious schools where I learned that witches make candles from human fat and other religious propaganda, and in my secular high school I was taught that one joint is more harmful than a whole package of cigarettes.
I learned early on to never take authority at its word and always question everything and do your own research.
Those lessons served me well later in life for example when my doctor told me antidepressants and benzos were not addictive.
I had a science teacher who I fought with several times because he said dogs can only eat meat and foods made from meats. They can't eat vegetables he said. That was in high school.
eesh maybe I should state, as harsh as I am on my schooling, I suspect the curriculum here is actually pretty good on a global scale, I mean as BC is pretty liberal we had very good education about drugs and sex and life planning and even pretty decent history, I just felt there was still a lot of room for improvement
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not that i'm discounting the effort you put in to do your thing. i'd never.
The bridging program itself actually was pretty bullshit but I enjoy what I'm doing now (computer science). Could just learn the same stuff on my own for a lot cheaper though I guess.
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Re: SJWs [Re: psi]
#23731626 - 10/12/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats something I find is becoming more and more common. Employers tend to have more respect for you if you set out and mastered it on your own time. The lack of debts a nice boost too.
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Just curious. What sort of industry do you work in Bodhi that you would say that? I'm guessing you don't work in an office. Some jobs the credentials seem to matter more that the actual ability to do work.
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Be a cold day in hell before I ever set foot in an office. Im in the trades, carpentry specifically.
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Ezuma
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Be a cold day in hell before I ever set foot in an office. Im in the trades, carpentry specifically.
that explains it then, I mean no way somebody gets to be working in a lab without credentials, tis what it is
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Yeah that's why you think that your boss probably doesn't want some college kid who knows alot about philosophy. He needs skills that translate to the real world.
On the other hand I was probably hugely benefited as a person by having a liberal arts education. I never did well in school because I rarely saw fit to use any time at all outside school to do schoolwork, but I did learn alot and had alot of cool and interesting teachers. Most liked me and would always take me aside and be like "I see you can do the work, you ace all your tests and participate in discussions, so I'm going to cut you a break, just get me the homework you are missing" I'm like "can I email it to you, I will email it to you later tonight, no problem" then I go home smoke some weed and jerk off some video games.
I don't know why I just can't do it.
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Re: SJWs [Re: Ezuma]
#23731675 - 10/12/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Naturally some fields are out of reach ( I never said they werent) but for most its just a matter of knowing what you're doing. Take programming for example. You can get a nice office job easily if you can prove you got the skills. Schools becoming outdated in a lot of ways.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Naturally some fields are out of reach ( I never said they werent) but for most its just a matter of knowing what you're doing. Take programming for example. You can get a nice office job easily if you can prove you got the skills. Schools becoming outdated in a lot of ways.
for sure many jobs have unnecessary hoops, especially anything office related it seems. Can't argue there I think school is more necessary than ever, but not in a job training capacity so much as an enlightening capacity
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moonrockmushy said: Just curious. What sort of industry do you work in Bodhi that you would say that? I'm guessing you don't work in an office. Some jobs the credentials seem to matter more that the actual ability to do work.
M0st. Most jobs. It's all about looking good on paper. I have an office full of people with way more education than me, much better production numbers than me, and "better experience." but most of them are extremely incompetent. For the most part you can't ask them a question about their own work and trust the answer they give you.
My last coworker to move off my little team insisted on taking over our data and analysis spreadsheets. He made nice pretty presentations for it and threw out the numbers everyone likes to hear.
Turns out when he left and gave me that stuff 60% of the figures he was using was wrong, which means pretty much all of our work and data was also wrong. And as far as I can see I just dunno how he couldn't know they were wrong. I've spent pretty much this entire year trying to fix that fucking shit. 20 months worth of data is corrupted. He moved off the team to be promoted.
Office politics makes me want to bite my own tongue off sometimes.
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Re: SJWs [Re: Ezuma]
#23731685 - 10/12/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is that code for we need to make war on social justice? If so I totally agree.
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moonrockmushy said: Is that code for we need to make war on social justice? If so I totally agree.
nah then we're just as bad as sjws. I think we need to re-instill a love and pursuit of knowledge and logic. Any argument not based in logic and by its own terms impossible to argue against -many movements fall into this category- has no place in academia and should not be encouraged in any way by any university. Those issues which sjws highlight which are of genuine import can be logically argued, and are, and will continue to be. The problem isn't the pursuit of equality or the addressing of racial issues, the problem as always is human ignorance and arrogance, both of many sjws and the people they so stridently argue with. a big problem has been this embracing of 'truthiness' over truth, where people are allowed to present their own 'notion' of truth without being asked to defend it, and are even offended that anyone has the nerve to argue with them. That is behaving like a child and it's disgusting it's allowed on so many campuses these days
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Re: SJWs [Re: Ezuma]
#23731725 - 10/12/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So we'll make war on anti-social justice then. I'll go with it, so long as I have a cause to blindly follow.
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ha resist band wagon-ing and appeals to and from emotion alike, they are not to be trusted. Also isms, be very wary of them isms
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#23732347 - 10/12/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can be for social justice and not be a douche bag about it. SJW is just the extremist version of progressive political values. Any extremist point of view on the right or the left or ISIS they tend to be douche bags who not only try to convert the non-believers but hold unreasonably highly expectations of them selves in that they are "correct about everything."
This whole SJW thing will peter out in the next 7-8 years when the pendulum of PC will swing back towards the more realistic and honest POV in terms of self expression. Right now it's on a very idealist part of the spectrum. Not idealist like the hippies were in the 60's but even more extreme, so idealist that it's just unreasonably ghey.
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PC is a pendulum now?! It's so painfully obvious that you guys are just making this up as you go along.
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Sophistic Radiance said: It's so painfully obvious that you guys are just making this up as you go along.
And it's funny you picked up on that so quickly, hypocrite.
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Sophistic Radiance said: PC is a pendulum now?! It's so painfully obvious that you guys are just making this up as you go along.
PCness comes and goes in cycles like many things do in our culture.
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i do like Karen Straughan, she's on point...save the whole suffragist thing.
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